hotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1004 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5160 times:
The stretch of perimeter fence from opposite Cains Lain to Hatton Cross is being renewed. It is being replaced by a higher one with smaller holes. It may also become a double fence, but not sure at this stage.
Flyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 423 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4975 times:
I guess that will settle the arguments once and for all then, i think the constant bikering between enthusiasts telling people that they cant photograph there (i got told once quite rudely too) then the ones that told me off go and do exatly what i was doing has now made the authorities now put a blanket fence to stop us all now, quite sad really but its all of our fault, if we just acted friendly to each other and kept secret it may have not come to this.
hotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1004 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4947 times:
The various run-ins with security over the years have not helped matters. Obviously much hand rubbing and back patting in the HAL office when they realized they can renew the fence and deter people at the same time.
G-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1265 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4851 times:
For Karl's benefit, it's about 8ft high and topped by razor wire. Surprisingly, it is possible to achieve photos through it. So in this regard, it is better that the existing chain linked affair. However, as noted above, if the existing fence remains in situ and the new fence becomes a secondary fence (as I suspect it will be), then this spot will be no more.
Not sure if the 'Jim Mepstead' solution will be possible. This involves a seven tread step ladder but even he may be thwarted as the new fence will be taller than the existing one. I'm surmising that the new fence will feature in the bottom of photos unless the photographer is diligent.
Quoting hotplane (Reply 5): The various run-ins with security over the years have not helped matters
Indeed but even yesterday I saw examples of bad behaviour. An enthusiast was asked to leave the Power Supply area by 27L by HAL Security. What does he do? Leaves as instructed but immediately returns. This just antagonises HAL, so I'm not surprised enthusiasts are not treated sympathetically.
G-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1265 posts, RR: 10 Reply 7, posted (3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4847 times:
Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 4): I guess that will settle the arguments once and for all then, i think the constant bikering between enthusiasts telling people that they cant photograph there (i got told once quite rudely too) then the ones that told me off go and do exatly what i was doing has now made the authorities now put a blanket fence to stop us all now, quite sad really but its all of our fault, if we just acted friendly to each other and kept secret it may have not come to this.
Quite. There is an awful lot of selfishness in the hobby and there doesn't need to be. In the end, bad behaviour such as that detailed in my post above has scuppered it for all.
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4840 times:
I never used the gate by the EDL building (or whatever it is), despite being tempted at times. I do admit however to running across the road with my steps to get a shot, then quickly running back - I think most locals do this frequently - I've even seen locals stand there on their steps for minutes at a time, when there's been nothing taxiing.
8ft high doesn't sound much worse than the old one; I'm sure arriving aircraft can still be shot with a 6- or 7-tread ladder? Our new fence at MAN caused us severe worry but in reality it's not done much harm at all. Certainly nothing that an extra step or two on your ladder can't sort!
Glad I took up JTF's recent special offer of a set of 7-tread for £35.99!
G-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1265 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (3 months 4 days ago) and read 4828 times:
Whereas the old fence had a gap between the top edge and the razor wire, the new fence won't, so effectively it's nine foot high. We will see whether using a step ladder is possible in due course. All said and done, this has been on the cards for years especially since 9/11. In context, I'm just surprised it's taken this long for HAL to implement.
ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 658 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4722 times:
This combination of security/access hassles and behaviour of 'enthusiasts' is a big part of why I shifted from shooting aircraft to boats. So many trips to the airport turned into just hunting for a place I could get a shot. Any shot. Opportunities for getting creative/different images are fast disappearing at large airports - and even airshows.
At least on the sea they haven't figured out how to put up fencing, and with a whole sea to play in, fellow photographers are a lot less aggressive/defensive about their 'territory'
hotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1004 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3932 times:
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14): What about that location (forgot the name of the street) where the planes fly really low over the houses? Isn't there a park there and is that still ok to shoot from?
But it's no good there as you're right underneath them. It seems landing shots from the A30 will also be affected by the razor wire along the top of this new fence.
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3918 times:
Quoting hotplane (Reply 16): But it's no good there as you're right underneath them
Very true - but this of course has nothing to do with the fence. Hopefully 7-tread steps should see the continuance of shots from the A30 near Cains Lane. At worst we'll probably have to move east a few metres, towards Hatton X.
The aircraft are at a nice height here and you get a bit of background rather than just blue sky. I'm not sure to what extent this spot will be affected - this was taken using a 4-tread ladder; I now have a 7-tread!
NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3134 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3472 times:
For some reason I had always thought Myrtle Ave was in the approach for 27R, but instead it is 27L - looking at Google maps the planes don't even go over the houses on Myrtle yet they sure look like they buzz the houses in the picture.
In your second picture Jaktrax with the A321 is it possible to get a 90 degree side on shot or even a front 3/4 shot where you are standing in the aircraft's 10:00 position or so? The A321 seems to have already flown past. Is there a building or another obstruction to where you got the A321 where you might be only able to get that slightly rear side shot?