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New Fence Going Up At LHR  
User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6447 times:

The stretch of perimeter fence from opposite Cains Lain to Hatton Cross is being renewed. It is being replaced by a higher one with smaller holes. It may also become a double fence, but not sure at this stage.


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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

B******s! They really know how to **** things up in this country right now!

Any idea what size steps will sort it out?

Karl


User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12283 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6426 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 1):
Any idea what size steps will sort it out?

This is what I use. Never had a problem with any fence!   
We don't need no stinkin' fence!



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User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6420 times:

A cherry picker isn't far off.


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User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6262 times:

I guess that will settle the arguments once and for all then, i think the constant bikering between enthusiasts telling people that they cant photograph there (i got told once quite rudely too) then the ones that told me off go and do exatly what i was doing has now made the authorities now put a blanket fence to stop us all now, quite sad really but its all of our fault, if we just acted friendly to each other and kept secret it may have not come to this.

User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

The various run-ins with security over the years have not helped matters. Obviously much hand rubbing and back patting in the HAL office when they realized they can renew the fence and deter people at the same time.


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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1313 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6138 times:

For Karl's benefit, it's about 8ft high and topped by razor wire. Surprisingly, it is possible to achieve photos through it. So in this regard, it is better that the existing chain linked affair. However, as noted above, if the existing fence remains in situ and the new fence becomes a secondary fence (as I suspect it will be), then this spot will be no more.

Not sure if the 'Jim Mepstead' solution will be possible. This involves a seven tread step ladder but even he may be thwarted as the new fence will be taller than the existing one. I'm surmising that the new fence will feature in the bottom of photos unless the photographer is diligent.

Quoting hotplane (Reply 5):
The various run-ins with security over the years have not helped matters

Indeed but even yesterday I saw examples of bad behaviour. An enthusiast was asked to leave the Power Supply area by 27L by HAL Security. What does he do? Leaves as instructed but immediately returns. This just antagonises HAL, so I'm not surprised enthusiasts are not treated sympathetically.


User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1313 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 4):
I guess that will settle the arguments once and for all then, i think the constant bikering between enthusiasts telling people that they cant photograph there (i got told once quite rudely too) then the ones that told me off go and do exatly what i was doing has now made the authorities now put a blanket fence to stop us all now, quite sad really but its all of our fault, if we just acted friendly to each other and kept secret it may have not come to this.

Quite. There is an awful lot of selfishness in the hobby and there doesn't need to be. In the end, bad behaviour such as that detailed in my post above has scuppered it for all.


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

I never used the gate by the EDL building (or whatever it is), despite being tempted at times. I do admit however to running across the road with my steps to get a shot, then quickly running back - I think most locals do this frequently - I've even seen locals stand there on their steps for minutes at a time, when there's been nothing taxiing.

8ft high doesn't sound much worse than the old one; I'm sure arriving aircraft can still be shot with a 6- or 7-tread ladder? Our new fence at MAN caused us severe worry but in reality it's not done much harm at all. Certainly nothing that an extra step or two on your ladder can't sort!

Glad I took up JTF's recent special offer of a set of 7-tread for £35.99!

Cheers,

Karl


User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1313 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6115 times:

Karl,

Whereas the old fence had a gap between the top edge and the razor wire, the new fence won't, so effectively it's nine foot high. We will see whether using a step ladder is possible in due course. All said and done, this has been on the cards for years especially since 9/11. In context, I'm just surprised it's taken this long for HAL to implement.


User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6083 times:

Heathrow is now just a vast shopping centre with an airport attached. HAL's view is if you're not there to fly or buy then f**k off.

[Edited 2013-09-01 14:10:17]


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User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6074 times:

Also, it appears that the patch of grass by the Enfield Road roundabout has now gone to make way for an expanded snow base.


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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 730 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6009 times:

This combination of security/access hassles and behaviour of 'enthusiasts' is a big part of why I shifted from shooting aircraft to boats. So many trips to the airport turned into just hunting for a place I could get a shot. Any shot. Opportunities for getting creative/different images are fast disappearing at large airports - and even airshows.

At least on the sea they haven't figured out how to put up fencing, and with a whole sea to play in, fellow photographers are a lot less aggressive/defensive about their 'territory'

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1313 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

Bump. Can anyone provide an update on this or is it over bar the shouting?

User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5321 times:

What about that location (forgot the name of the street) where the planes fly really low over the houses? Isn't there a park there and is that still ok to shoot from?

User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Myrtle Avenue (the place to which you refer) should be unaffected.

User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
What about that location (forgot the name of the street) where the planes fly really low over the houses? Isn't there a park there and is that still ok to shoot from?

But it's no good there as you're right underneath them. It seems landing shots from the A30 will also be affected by the razor wire along the top of this new fence.



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

Quoting hotplane (Reply 16):
But it's no good there as you're right underneath them

Very true - but this of course has nothing to do with the fence. Hopefully 7-tread steps should see the continuance of shots from the A30 near Cains Lane. At worst we'll probably have to move east a few metres, towards Hatton X.

Karl


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4968 times:

Does anyone have any examples of the shots that are being ruined by this new fence?

Some of the Myrtle Ave shots I have seen I like a lot where they are coming over the houses and they didn't look too overhead to me and you could get some good side shots.

What are the acceptable locations left after this fence goes up?


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Here's one from Myrtle (the park by the houses):


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We're all different but the aircraft height doesn't sit favourably with me. I much prefer the A30 opposite Cains Lane:


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The aircraft are at a nice height here and you get a bit of background rather than just blue sky. I'm not sure to what extent this spot will be affected - this was taken using a 4-tread ladder; I now have a 7-tread!

Karl


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

For some reason I had always thought Myrtle Ave was in the approach for 27R, but instead it is 27L - looking at Google maps the planes don't even go over the houses on Myrtle yet they sure look like they buzz the houses in the picture.

In your second picture Jaktrax with the A321 is it possible to get a 90 degree side on shot or even a front 3/4 shot where you are standing in the aircraft's 10:00 position or so? The A321 seems to have already flown past. Is there a building or another obstruction to where you got the A321 where you might be only able to get that slightly rear side shot?


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

No, the side-on is possible; I just chose that one at random because it was a low approach.


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Karl


User currently offlinespencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

Just get a taller ladder. Simple.
Spence



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Quoting spencer (Reply 22):
Just get a taller ladder. Simple

Exactly. Seems there are too many people unwilling to buy, transport and carry steps - I just don't understand it when they solve so many aviation photography issues.

Karl


User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4456 times:

It is a bit tricky carrying one for 3 hours on the train and tube to Heathrow, any nearby places that loan them and you can return at the end of the day?

25 spencer : There used to be a great supplier of telescopic ladders/steps. They reduced to the size of a bagged tripod. The legs even folded together, not like th
26 flyer408 : Thanks for mentioning - sounds interesting. Is there any further detailed information available about this?
27 JakTrax : I think you can still get something similar from most DIY stores, although they're fold-away not telescopic. They're also in my opinion not quite as g
28 spencer : They are, indeed, fold away. Telescopic was the word that first came to my head and was wrong. They are very sturdy however, I don't believe they are
29 flyer408 : Thank you very much for this info!
30 Flyingfox27 : Hi Iam going to Heathrow tomorrow, will be at Myrtle as its 27L arrivals, if i see the new fence will take a photo and post here.
31 Speedbird128 : To be quite honest my steps have come in very handy outside the scope of aviation photography as well... its something that's always in the boot/trun
32 hotplane : A section of the new fence is complete and it's virtually the same height as the old one. With a set of steps placed by the A30 you won't get fence in
33 Flyingfox27 : I saw the fence and it looked like theres no more photos from poking the camera through now, plus it extends to the roadside so kneeling by the grass
34 hotplane : The new fence is further back, so there is actually more verge than before. Shooting through it is no more difficult than before.
35 JakTrax : Yeah, I heard the new fence is actually a pinch closer to the runway. A long shot but enough room to keep ladders far enough away so as not to infring
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