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A Guy "demands" To Use My Photos. (Advice Please.)  
User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4836 times:

Hi, I recieved this on Thursday 17th:
_________________________________
"From: Andrew McQuillan

I am writing to ask you for permission to use your GIll Airways photo's that are
on airliners.net.

Andrew

** PLEASE NOTE THAT IF NO RESPONSE IS RECIEVED I WILL ASSUM THAT YOU GIVE
PERMISSION AND WILL USE THE PICTURE(S)**"
_________________________________

To this I replied:

_________________________________
"Sir

First of all I would like to know what purpose you have of using these photos. After I get a reason, I will decide whether or not I wish to give you permission.
And by the way, If I don't reply then it means you have permission, that's not how it works.

Rgds
Thomas"
_________________________________

Any thoughts on the matter?

Thom@s


"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
55 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

You were perfectly right to ask for his intentions, but I would have been a little more clear with your last sentence. I would have said, "If I don't reply then it means you do NOT have permission, that's how it works."

Charles


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Hehe, yeah I suppose I made it a little more dramatic than I was supposed to.  Smile

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineAviationIvi From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 777 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

Thomas,
I would say NO!
Regards,
Ivica


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4540 times:

I just got this mail from the person who requested my pics:

"I am setting up a virtual airline of gill and would like these for the
gallery. I dont usually get replies from the airliners.net message thing so
that is why i put it to encourage people to reply. Any gill items would be
greatly appriciated.

Regards,

Andrew McQuillan"

Well, I suppose it would be allright, any oppinions? (I shouldn't charge him or anything, should I?)

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

tell him to go F*** himself for being such an idiot

i'm serious, he's probably 12 years old...

c


User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Yeah I got that aswell and I was very pissed off.......

I told him to feck off. (Not literally of course) !

Martin


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

If I told him that, he would think I was 12 years old.

But you guys really think I should say no? (We all know he will use my pics anyway.)  Sad

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineEDIpic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

Once defiance is revealed, decline all permission:


Gerry/EDI


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

Could you rephrase that so that I DON'T have to dig up my dictionary?  Smile

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

Why should you say no?

Let him use the photo and ask for credit as the photographer.

Luis


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

Sounds good Luis, but how do I know he will do this? I was screwed by some guy who was doing simillar to this before, and I don't want to see that happen again.

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

He's a cheeky little bugger!

If you let him use them, make sure he puts your name near the photos Big thumbs up

Josh
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4465 times:

Quite a good idea, but how can I trust he gives credit where credit is due?

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

You can't know that but usually people gives credit to the photographers.

If he doesn't do that, you can always tell him that you'll spread out on the internet that he's violating your copyright. This will scare him.

Luis


User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Check the site where he puts the pics. If he doesn't do it, flood him with emails, and maybe send him a virus - that'll teach him Big thumbs up

Josh
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Luis and Josh, both sounds like fun. I think I'll do that. (Got to be tomorrow though, I'm going offline.)

Thanks for helping, other views are much appreciated.  Big thumbs up

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineAviationIvi From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 777 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

Luis:

** PLEASE NOTE THAT IF NO RESPONSE IS RECIEVED I WILL ASSUM THAT YOU GIVE
PERMISSION AND WILL USE THE PICTURE(S)**"

this is the reason! If I would get this email, I would really tell him to f... off

Ivi


User currently offlineJderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1755 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

just let him use the photos...if someone asks me for permission to use the photos i tell them give me credit and a link so i can make sure that i get credit for it...it's that simple...he does sound pretty immature, but so? just let him use the photos - so you'll get your name out on the internet

jonathan d.



"my soul is in the sky" - shakespeare
User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

Ivi, I agree with you on that. Thomas should make it clear that it's not the way it works.

Luis


User currently offlineZhukov From Switzerland, joined Jul 2001, 74 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

I believe the real question that you should settle is:
- do I want / I agree that he uses my photo?

If not: just tell him "no", you will see then if he obey you

if yes: state your conditions, but if it is a kid, as several persons have suggested, he will not want to pay.

I see no reason for getting angry against the letter he sent to you, he asked you the question, it is still better then nothing. And on one side, that means that your photo pleases him and that he did not want to wait three years before using it, it is not very nasty.

Why should you insult him, there is no reason. It's not because he may be a child you can say that he's an idiot that has to f.... himself (as says Mr. Chris  Acting devilish)

(Sorry if there are some english mistakes, it isn't my native language  Innocent )


User currently offlineCityBird MD-11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

i'd tell him to go piss up a rope - is that the way he speaks to other people in person?? i don't suppose that you need your photo used that badly.

Norm


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4305 times:

Hi again. After reading what you have posted I have now sendt him this message:

_________________________________

Very well, you may have permission to use the following photos (see below) on two conditions.

1) That you put my name (Thomas Andre Hjelmen) somewhere so that people are informed that I took them.

2) That you provide me a link to the site where you will put my pictures, so that I can see how what your site looks like.  Smile

The images you may use:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=186977
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=117728
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=116852
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=116851

Good luck.

Rgds
Thomas
________________________________

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineZhukov From Switzerland, joined Jul 2001, 74 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

I think you have made the good choice  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I would have done the same if i were you...


Regards
f.breit


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

Well, it looks the the matter is settled, and if something "illegal" happens I will tell you offcourse.  Smile

Thanks alot for your help and advice everyone.  Big thumbs up

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
25 FlyVS007 : He was actually correct in stating that if he recieved no response he could go ahead and use the pictures. Copyright is only valid if the holder follo
26 Jan Mogren : >He was actually correct in stating that if he recieved no response he could go ahead and use the pictures. Copyright is only valid if the holder foll
27 Post contains images Thom@s : FlyVS007, thank you for your support. Jan, I know that copyright is a problem for photographers, fortunatly I have yet to run into such problems. Thom
28 Ckw : He was actually correct in stating that if he recieved no response he could go ahead and use the pictures. Copyright is only valid if the holder follo
29 Jan Mogren : Unless you have got a YES, you can NOT use the picture. Easy as that. /JM
30 Post contains images Thom@s : Well said Colin. Jan, It still isn't going to keep people from copying images from a.net, remove the photographers name and claim they took it them se
31 Dazed767 : I probably wouldn't let him use it after acting like that. I'm just an ass that way...the way I see it "go out and shoot it yourself!!!".
32 Jan Mogren : Thom@s, of course some idiots will continue to steal pictures the way you describe, but what must be stressed is that people can NOT just ask, and if
33 Post contains images Thom@s : Dazed767, I see your point, but if everyone did that, then what would photographers make a living of? Jan, I couldn't agree more that if someone wants
34 Tommy Mogren : FlyVS007: That is SO totally wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The photographer holds the copyright of his/her photos, and they may NOT be reproduced, published
35 Post contains images Thom@s : Hmmmm, it's been a few days now, and he hasn't replied. He better put up my name next to the pics and give me the URL to this "viritual airline" site
36 FlyVS007 : It wasn't ignorant. It was a brief summary of a copyright letter I recieved dealing with an almost identical matter. The point I was making was that a
37 Jan Mogren : NO. As long as I haven't said yes, you haven't got permission. Is that so difficult?????? /JM
38 Post contains images FUAirliner : FlyVS007, you have to be given permission by the copyright owner before you are allowed to use the photo. If you use any photo without permission this
39 Tommy Mogren : FlyVS007: Like I said earlier..... IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU ASK.... You DO NOT have the permission to use or publish a photo UNLESS the co
40 Thom@s : Well put Tommy. Thom@s
41 Ckw : Yes the onus is on the potential user to gain permission. From time to time I've had to create educational material using photos, film clips etc.etc.
42 APP : Thom@s, I've just had the same e-mail regarding two of my Gill photos. Here's the reply I sent. Let me know if you hear anything back from Andrew McQu
43 Fly-K : Why's the guy still trying to pull that off?! I got the same request today! Here's my reply: Andrew, I would have normally granted you permission, but
44 Thom@s : Well, I got a nerw message from him today where he provided the link to the site (which isn't even up yet) and was going to give credit to the photogr
45 Alaskaairlines : If you do not get a Y-E-S, then its means N-O! Can't get any easier. -Dmitry
46 Post contains images Joge : Oh, yeah, here it is: I am really sorry for having to say that but otherwise, people in the past, haven't replied to me email. I can only apologise fo
47 Post contains images Thom@s : Well, now it seems things are clearing up. I got a link to the site, and have establsihed more contact with the guy who wanted to use my pics. (btw, n
48 Fly-K : He has now sent a letter of apology to the photogs he contacted... I guess he has learned his lesson now. Another proof of the strength of our a.net p
49 Post contains images Thom@s : I got the apology aswell, + a screensaver with aviation related pics. Thom@s
50 APP : Yeah, I got the apology last night. I guess I'll let him use the photos. APP.
51 Thom@s : I also told him he was not allowed to let other people use them without my approval. You never know these days. Thom@s
52 Post contains images Joge : Yep, I also also got his email where he says sorry. No deal, I say. -Joge
53 Steinwayartist : Why not just put your name on the pictures, through Corel Paint or something? Isn't that the easiest and most effective thing to do?
54 Post contains images FUAirliner : Steinwayartist, it actually is quite easy and some people do it, but in my opinion there are three disadvantages: it distracts the image no matter how
55 Thom@s : Couldn't say it better myself Frank! Thom@s
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