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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 743 posts, RR: 16
Posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

I've had cause to take another look at the Adobe CC, due to the need to get Adobe Premier Pro.

Turns out I was eligible to purchase a complete package at an educational price of £15 per month (inc. VAT), which looks pretty attractive compared to £600 for a stand alone version. Plus of course I get the latest Photoshop etc. Financially it made sense to me - essentially I get 3.5 years use of Premiere for the cost of the standalone (which would probably want updating at the end of that time anyway) and the latest Photoshop and everything else for free. Couldn't argue with the numbers, so I decided to drink the Kool-Aid.

Intertestingly, applying for the educational price was very straight forward - I just entered the name of my insitution and role. I was not asked to provide any confirmation or proof of eligibility. Perhaps they'll do this later? Or perhaps they know my CS5 is educational, so just carried it over (though I have changed organisations). I recall that previously getting the educational rate a bit of a pain.

Anyway, the process was very painless and quick. If you're on Windows 7 or higher you get a Cloud App which makes it easy to download software and receive updates etc. I had Premeire, Photoshop and Bridge downloaded and installed within an hour or so. My existing CS5 and Premiere elements caused no problems, and are still on my PC and working.

Once downloaded, the software runs exactly like it does in a normal installation, nothing to suggest you're "in the cloud" (because you aren't when using the software).

I do have some concerns on where this might go in the future, but for now, the financial aspect was too appealling to ignore.

I have had a quick play with PS CC - quite a few differences over CS5, some cosmetic, some real. Smart sharpen now includes noise supression which looks promising.

The antishake feature is interesting - it claims to be able to counter the effects of blur caused by camera shake - and at one level it seems to work surprisingly well. However, it does, to my mind introduce a somewhat unnatural look and is obviously processed. I doubt the results would be acceptable here. However, if you had a special memory shot spoiled by shake, I think the results of the anti-shake filter could result in an acceptable small print.

Early days - much more to investigate!

Cheers,

Colin


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2917 times:
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Quoting ckw (Thread starter):
Turns out I was eligible to purchase a complete package at an educational price of £15 per month (inc. VAT), which looks pretty attractive compared to £600 for a stand alone version

Colin, my reading is that the £15.88/month is only for the first year. After that it reverts to £22.46/month (assuming they don't raise prices), which significantly changes the 'pay back' period from 3.5 down to 2.5 years.
http://www.adobe.com/store/en_gb/popup/offer/edu_save_ccm_201307.html

Actually, if you qualify for education discount, you can buy CS6 Creative Suite on Amazon for £366. Obviously, Adobe has said that CS6 is the end of the road for 'conventional' versions of their applications, but this would seem to be the most cost-effective solution until you HAVE to upgrade to a newer version.

I do see this model becoming the norm for a lot of software, but, as usual, Adobe's pricing is somewhat eye-watering compared to others. Microsoft charges £80/year for Office 365 which can then be installed on five PCs/Macs.

While the prices include cloud storage, I assume you can actually still save files locally?

[Edited 2013-09-18 05:20:44]


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User currently offlinestevemchey From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

If you are only interested in PS and LR, Adobe announced a Creative Cloud photography package for $9.99. This is not a trial version and the price doesn't get raised after a year, as long as you sign up by the end of the year.

http://blogs.adobe.com/creativelayer/introducing-the-photoshop-photography-program/


User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 743 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 1):
Colin, my reading is that the £15.88/month is only for the first year. After that it reverts to £22.46/month (assuming they don't raise prices), which significantly changes the 'pay back' period from 3.5 down to 2.5 years.

I thought that was the case - but this was not mentioned when I actually subscribed. We'll see. Some pricing plans are clearly marked "for first year only" this one isn't. It may be the case that with all the changes, Adobe have not kept their pages in sync. Anyway I have a receipt that says 15.88 with no special conditions attached.

To be honest, if I don't make enough producing video to make the extra £7 irrelevant, then I'll be dropping my subscription anyway - remember, I'm doing this for Premiere ... I was quite happy with CS5, which still sits on mt drive redy to use.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 1):
While the prices include cloud storage, I assume you can actually still save files locally?

Absolutely - you don't even need to be connected to the net ... only occasionally will a network validation occur - but I think this has been the case since CS5 anyway.To be honest, 20gb of cloud store is not much of an incentive anyway - esp shooting video. I use 100gb of Google drive now, and will probably just expand that rather than bother with Adobe's.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5703 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2879 times:
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Quoting stevemchey (Reply 2):
This is not a trial version and the price doesn't get raised after a year, as long as you sign up by the end of the year.

This would work for Colin as he already has CS5, the offer only applies to those that have existing licences for CS3-6.
For me as an Australian Elements user to upgrade to PS CC I would have to pay $49.95 mth for Creative Cloud or $19.95 mth for Photoshop CC.
The good news in that is they are the same price (numerically) as the US prices which is a nice change for those used to paying the "TransPac Tax"

When I think about this the $20/mth price is not bad and will be looking at making the move.. hey for the price of a bottle of wine I get a whole lot of "Kool-Aid"!!



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 743 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2848 times:

Of course, having got over my indignation over Adobe's bully boy tactics, I started to think what the price really represents - cheaper than a night down the pub, far less than a tank of fuel - and though ultimately Adobe may get more money out of me in the long term, a modest monthly payment is far less painful that a single upfront outlay.

Really no different to my Spotify or LoveFilm subscription - I'm gradually coming round to the mindset of not worrying about "owning" things - as they say, you can't take it with you when you go.

Another thing that influenced my decision was this weekend I upgraded my PC to its practical limit. It really needs replacing. The hardware side doesn't bother me, but the thought of re-installing and configuring various apps (some non-mainstream) fills me with dread. By the looks of it CC would make changing machines a doddle as far as your Adobe applications are concerned. (I'm not even sure where my CS5 master disk is!).

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5703 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2831 times:
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Quoting ckw (Reply 5):
Really no different to my Spotify or LoveFilm subscription

And on the advice of Lifehacker I am examining my online subscriptions... have already identified savings that will fund Photoshop CC... if I tried I could possibly even make Creative Cloud "expenditure neutral"

cheers



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User currently offlinedvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1745 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2818 times:
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There is the current "Photoshop for Photographers" rate of $10/month which includes PS and Lightroom.

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/photography.html

This rate isn't set to expire after a year, though no one knows how long they will keep doing it.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5703 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2745 times:
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DVincent, yes there is but you have to own a valid CS3-6 Lic to qualify. Good for Colin, not so good for many others.


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User currently offlineKaphias From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

I recently subscribed to CC as well. I've used PSE 2 and PSE 6 in the past, but I am now at the point in my education where I was required to buy other Adobe software. I looked into getting CS6 and was fairly convinced that I would buy it, but I found that I would have to buy two separate versions for Mac/Windows, as well as upgrade to CC eventually. Along with that. Most of my professors are using CC, and it helps a lot to be using the exact same version as them. Frequent updates from Adobe are nice as well. All in all I'd recommend it if you have the need. If you're just editing photos for here, The PS+LR deal mentioned above looks great, though I will continue to use PSE 6 until I find the need to change.


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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5703 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2584 times:
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Bitten the bullet..
Installed PS CC, now I have 28 days to learn and decide if it offers me enough over PSE 11 to be worth the $19.95/mth.

Cheers



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