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User currently offlineBritishB747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 124 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Hello,

Performed a couple of quick searches for information but the info that I did find was somewhat dated.

I will be in New York next week for just over a week and was hoping to do some spotting and photography and was wondering if some of the locals could give me a bit of information.

1. I was looking at the NYC Aviation website which seems to have a lot of useful information about locations around NY airports but it mentions that spotters get approached by police. Are the police always patrolling these areas or are their visits infrequent? I don't want to run the risk of getting arrested whilst spotting.

2. Having looked at this website and some locations look excellent such as Brookville Park. However it appears that the most common runways in use at JFK are the 4s. Are these usually the runways in operation at this time of year? If so it looks like Bayswater Park may be a good spot to photograph from. However the largest lens I have is 300mm. From people who have been there will this be long enough? Also what runways are usually in use at LGA?

3. In terms of taking photographs from airport terminals are there any good spots in EWR, BOS and JFK? If so am I likely to attract unwanted attention?

I hope that someone can help me out with these questions.

Kind Regards


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User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3993 times:
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A lot of times if I'm approached by the police around JFK I do just what the website says. Have I.D., be respectful and understand tha they're just doing their job making sure we're not a threat, and explain slwhy you're there. There is usually never a problem.  

And also I'm NOT implying that I get approached a lot. Don't let it worry you!  Wink

[Edited 2013-09-23 11:06:15]


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User currently offlineapfpilot From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

I haven't done any spotting in a while but when I used to regularly (much closer to 9/11) I would get visited everyone in a while. Usually just a quick ID check and a question about how I'm doing. Once at RSW they pointed me to a better spot that I could use for photography. Only negative experience that I had was with El Al Private security at MIA yelling at me when I was at the holes (designated photography spot.) I basically ignored him and nothing happened.


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User currently offlineBritishB747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

Thanks for your responses.

I will make sure I have my I.D. with me like it says. It will be a British passport which I am sure will raise an eyebrow but hopefully wont be an issue.

I understand that they are only doing their job and hopefully they realise that I am just pursuing an innocent hobby.

I was just a little bit worried as the website made it sound like police attention was inevitable so didnt know what to expect. In the few years I have been taking photographs I have only had two run ins with the police at GLA and ABZ who were more bored that concerned. Then there was a jobsworth at EDI that said I was walking too close to the fence.

Thanks again.

[Edited 2013-09-23 11:21:42]


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User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3883 times:
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Quoting BritishB747 (Reply 3):
I understand that they are only doing their job and hopefully they realise that I am just pursuing an innocent hobby.

I was just a little bit worried as the website made it sound like police attention was inevitable so didnt know what to expect. In the few years I have been taking photographs I have only had two run ins with the police at GLA and ABZ who were more bored that concerned. Then there was a jobsworth at EDI that said I was walking too close to the fence.

Thanks again.

Funnily the only time I have ever actually been kicked out of my spot or had an issue in any way was two years ago at PVD when I took a cell-phone picture of a WN landing as I drove by!



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Looks like terminal B rooftop in BOS was/is a good spot. You are supose to get permission it looks like.

EWR over by ikea and stuff you might be able to get a good view of takeoffs or landings?

Maybe try a google or Yahoo! search and see what people have to say.


User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

I used to live in NYC and deal with spotting around their airports, now I'm in the LA area.

What a difference when cops come up to you instead of asking for your ID, asking whether the "Super Jumbo" has taken off yet.....



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User currently offlinepwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

At BOS, the Terminal B parking garage rooftop has always been one of the prime BOS spots. Pretty much 360 degree view and within just a few hundred meters from the two main runways. Many of the photos in the A.net database taken in BOS were shot here.

I haven't been there since 9/11, but use to spend hours and there we're usually other spotters. After 9/11, I heard numerous stories of spotters being thrown out and even arrested, or having their photography equipment confiscated up there.

I was under the impression spotting was still prohibited there, but last year after discovering recent photos taken there, photographers on another website told me the Mass. State Police and Massport have eased up on allowing people up there. So, I'm unsure what the current situation is regarding loitering up there. It might be just the luck of the day?


User currently offlineapfpilot From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

A couple of things to keep in mind if you get involved in anything with the police that makes you feel uncomfortable: They can't require you to delete any photographs that requires a warrant. Second I wouldn't do it initially but if you feel that the situation is escalating to a point where you are uncomfortable you are allowed to record what is going on with your phone or other device.


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User currently offlinepwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

In the photo below, you get a good view of the rooftop of the Terminal B parking garage. Photographers use to gather at the far lower right corner that looks out SE towards the two main runways 422 L

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/10969038-md.jpg

[Edited 2013-09-23 12:49:57]

APFpilot,

In theory and by law, yes, you can do those things. However, a lot of people don't have the stones to disobey police orders. It's intimidating to say no, or keep recording when told to stop. ( even though completely legal) And although cops can't legally arrest you for doing these kind of things, it doesn't mean they won't still arrest you wrongfully and illegally, only to later have a judge throw out the charge when the case gets to him. For some people, standing up for their rights and arguing with a cop just isn't with the possible illegitimate arrest, bailing out, and then waiting for weeks to see a judge with bail conditions over their head. It's easier to just give the cop want they want.






[Edited 2013-09-23 13:33:46]

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):
EWR over by ikea and stuff you might be able to get a good view of takeoffs or landings?

Two weeks ago, I was @ EWR's north parking lot photographing 22L arrivals for about 45 minutes. I was without a car and to my surprise, no problems.



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User currently onlinelen90 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

727Lover did you walk over there from the airplane show at the Ramada? Also you definitely got very lucky being able to hang around 22 for almost an hour and not get caught. The North Lot is just too hight of a risk for getting approached.

As far as EWR goes, it's really not worth the risk unless you really want something. The ikea lot is a good place for 4R arrivals or 22R takeoffs. However, lighting becomes an issue in the afternoon as the planes will become backlit. I have spotted at the ikea lot, but don't advise hanging out too long. The lot has security in it, who really don't car that much. However, the Elizabeth PD and Port Authority Police frequently drive around the lot and they will approach you and ask you to leave. The ikea lot will be good with a full frame 70-200 plus 1.4 extender or just a 70-200 on a crop sensor.

As for JFK, I personally haven't spotted from outside the terminals, but have spoken with some people who did. The dunes is a great spot and you will get approached by NYPD. I haven't heard of any issues other than a simple ID check.

When photographing planes you I advise always having your photo ID on you and be respectful if approached by law enforcement. Also, if you could make it to PHL, that airport is pretty easy to spot at.



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User currently offlineBritishB747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):
Looks like terminal B rooftop in BOS was/is a good spot. You are supose to get permission it looks like.
Quoting pwm2txlhopper (Reply 7):
At BOS, the Terminal B parking garage rooftop has always been one of the prime BOS spots.

Not sure if I will have the time to go to this spot at BOS. I only have 48 hours in BOS so was just going to do my photography whilst waiting on my return flight to EWR. Are there opportunities for photography in the terminal at BOS? I am flying UA.

Quoting len90 (Reply 11):
As far as EWR goes, it's really not worth the risk unless you really want something.

Same goes for EWR. Was just going to shoot from the terminal. Dont want to run any risks.

JFK & LGA were the airports that I was going to make a special effort to go to as the spotting spots seem easy to get to by public transport. Also my flight out of JFK is at 2255 so there will be no opportunity for photographs from the terminal at that time of day.

Thank you all for your responses. They have been most helpful.

Regards



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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

As you've seen, NYCAviation.com is best source for info on spotting in the area. I've been approached by PD many times over the years (although it's probably something less than 10% of my spotting trips). More often than not, it is because some "concerned citizen" saw us and called the police. Only one or two times were I told to leave, and both times were on JFK property in a parking lot in the cargo area. Have your ID and a friendly smile handy, and you should be fine.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):
EWR over by ikea and stuff you might be able to get a good view of takeoffs or landings?

Elizabeth city police are very aggressive about people photographing from the IKEA parking lot, and store security will generally ask you to leave if you are shooting from their restaurant.



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User currently onlinelen90 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Inside EWR I have has no problems. Only NYC airport I had an issue with was terminal 8 (AA) at JFK. Was yelled at by a airport employee that there are no pictures allowed. Just this past summer I was in terminal A at EWR twice with no issues. Once was the UA express section and the other was the SW/B6/AC gates. Both times I didn't have issues and workers were very nice.

As for the ikea restaurant, you walk in with your camera bag and it will be an issue. Also it's not great from there as the windows are dirty and reflect.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 13):
Elizabeth city police are very aggressive about people photographing from the IKEA parking lot

WHY?

Quoting len90 (Reply 14):
As for the ikea restaurant, you walk in with your camera bag and it will be an issue

WHY?

You're PAYING for their horseburg....I mean......hamburgers!   



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User currently offlinedvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3429 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):
Looks like terminal B rooftop in BOS was/is a good spot. You are supose to get permission it looks like.

You can get special dispensation if you ask the right people ahead of time. However, the terminal B parking garage is no longer a useful, all-around spot for photography. New construction has rendered the best spot (the corner near where the Eagle gates used to be) unusable, because the new terminal B connector is now taller than the parking garage! This means no more 27 rollouts, 4L/R arrivals or departures, and some 22L arrivals are blocked. Good 22L liftoff pictures are also not feasable from that location.

There is a spot further up the garage which allows you to get 22L/R departures and maybe arrivals (depends on where they touch down) as well as 33L movements, if your lens is long enough. However, there is a fatal flaw: there are usually many American 737s and 757s parked at the gates, running their APUs and generating haze. This ruins most taxi shots and 22R departures.

Central Parking still has good locations for 33L arrivals and departures, as well as taxiing shots and some 22 arrivals/departures, as well as 4 arrivals and departures. The options for the latter are more limited compared to the old terminal B garage spot, but you can still get some good photos.

Quoting BritishB747 (Reply 12):
Not sure if I will have the time to go to this spot at BOS. I only have 48 hours in BOS so was just going to do my photography whilst waiting on my return flight to EWR. Are there opportunities for photography in the terminal at BOS? I am flying UA.

It depends on where you arrive. Terminal C (UA's main terminal) has several good vantage points across both the UA gates and the JetBlue gates. Since the installation of unified security, you can walk between both concourses without issue. Near security there are giant glass windows with seats that you can watch 22/4 movements as well as taxiing aircraft to runway 27/9.

However, you might arrive in terminal A, which is less good for watching things, because the windows have this blue tint and you do not have good angles for observing the runways. If the 4s or 9 are in use, you can get some taxiing photos.

[Edited 2013-09-25 10:57:31]


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User currently offlineBritishB747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 13):
Have your ID and a friendly smile handy, and you should be fine.

I will be sure to have some form of ID with me and look approachable. I have no issue with people asking what I am doing if they are civilised about it. I realise the police are only doing their jobs.

Quoting len90 (Reply 14):
Only NYC airport I had an issue with was terminal 8 (AA) at JFK. Was yelled at by a airport employee that there are no pictures allowed.

Well I will be departing from Terminal 7 at JFK so hopefully I wont encounter the same person. I'm on the 2255 flight though so I expect photo opportunities will be limited.

Quoting dvincent (Reply 16):
It depends on where you arrive.

How can I find out this information? I just looked at my flight itinerary on both the United app and the original confirmation email and it doesn't seem to state what terminals I depart from or arrive at. Maybe I am just looking in the wrong place. UA276 on the 6th Oct and UA246 on 8th Oct.

I also just read part of another thread stating that UA has a strict no photo policy on board their aircraft. Does this include taking photos out of the window of their aircraft?

Thanks again for all your responses.



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User currently offlinedvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3383 times:
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Quoting BritishB747 (Reply 17):
How can I find out this information? I just looked at my flight itinerary on both the United app and the original confirmation email and it doesn't seem to state what terminals I depart from or arrive at. Maybe I am just looking in the wrong place. UA276 on the 6th Oct and UA246 on 8th Oct.

UA flights departing to Houston, Newark, and Cleveland depart from Terminal A only. All others depart terminal C.

Arrivals are trickier. I've come in to Terminal A from Chicago and Terminal C from Houston. There's no way to tell where you're arriving until you get here.



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User currently offlineBritishB747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

Well looks like my flight will be departing from Terminal A then unfortunately. Will have to struggle with this blue glass. Hopefully my flight from EWR will land into Terminal C. Give me a chance to get a few photos from there.


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User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3266 times:
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I just came back from LGA and had no problems near Plainview Park. There are two areas across the street where the runway lights are and just east of that which is called Landing lights Park. The only thing I encountered was NYPD driving around the area a few times not noticing me but I waved to them the first time and they waved back. I seen some other NYPD and Port Authority police vehicles but was never stopped or encountered them today.

I did not have a chance to go anywhere else near the airport besides the park due to limited transportation and I was somewhere else earlier. The park is easy to get to from the subway and bus from Manhattan if anyone is interested who is staying somewhere else away from LGA.

The only thing I noticed was at the AirTrain stations at EWR, there were tourists that tried to take some photos of the aircraft at the C concourse, some of the attendants told them that it was not allowed. I dod not have a chance to photograph near EWR or JFK either.



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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Planeview Park is a nice spot, and I don't think I've ever had an encounter with law enforcement there.


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