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Anyone Here Scanning With A Nikon 4000ED?  
User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Posted (12 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

wanted to hear your thoughts on what procedures you undertake in your scanning process with this scanner. thanks

Joe

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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Hi Joe.

Wonderful scanner. I've had two other film/slide scanners before this one, and third time's a charm in this case. I wasn't totally happy with my previous ones.

I also have the 50-slide feeder, which is a little pricey, but a great tool, especially if you have a better half who would rather you spend your time in other ways than feeding a slide into the machine every few minutes.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy. Just put in a pile of slides and go to bed, and all are scanned and saved in the morning.

I know you use Kodachrome, while I use Provia. If you give me a few minutes, I'll dig up a K64 slide and scan it and post it here for you.

Check back here in a little while.

Charles



User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Oh have you bought it yet Joe ?

User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Hope you buy it Joe! It is a very nice scanner. Charles is the guy to ask questions. I bought it a week ago, and love it. I will be finally uploading shots to a.net in a week or so. It scans in very high quality, up to 4000 dpi, but I don't think you would use that much.

-Dmitry  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Ok, I scanned a K64 shot. Unfortunately I shot it in not-so-good weather. This is the raw scan, resized a bit smaller (the full-size, 4000 dpi file is 65MB  Smile/happy/getting dizzy) to about 1 MB. No color correction, ICE, sharpening or any other correction has been done, as I figure you want to see the raw results.

http://homepage.iprolink.ch/~saracchi/Eurocross.jpg

Just for fun, here is a small portion of the full-size, 4000 dpi scan, also about 1 MB. As you can see, the grain shows up clearly. I rarely use more than 2000 or 2500 dpi, myself.

http://homepage.iprolink.ch/~saracchi/Eurocrosscloseup.jpg

If you want to see the results with Provia, just see any of my last 500 or so uploads.

Hope this helps,

Charles


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

hey guys,
D, didnt know you were using it- cool. Charles, the only time i'd use 4000dpi is to make prints- for internet i'll still do it at the lower dpi range. your stuff on airliners.net is great (even though its fuji  Smile. what id like to know from you guys is what steps you take in the scanning process from start to finish and yes Aer Lingus, it was shipped today and is sitting in my livingroom with my wife and the baby keeping close watch- tonight mclaughlin is coming over to help me install it. how long did it take you guys to install it btw?
Joe


User currently offlineAndyhunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 2962 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Have fun with it Joe, I know what it is like to get a new toy!!!

Andrew



Full frame always beats post processing
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Installing it is pretty simple. Make sure you have the latest drivers off of the net, and the latest version of Nikonscan 3.1. Once you install the firewire card, it installs quickly.

My method is pretty complex. It might not be as efficient as it could be, but it works. I resize the picture with Thumbsplus 4.5 to 1 to 1.5 ratio (for when I make prints), then make color and gamma correction and reduce to 1024x683 in Corel Photopaint 10, then make final corrections like saturation and contrast in Thumbsplus.

Charles


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Yes Andy, im pretty excited indeed!
Charles- to tell you the truth i was hoping that this scanner would be able to do alot of the post work we do in photoshop/paint in the scanning process. i guess i'll have to play with it until i get it close to doing that.

Meanwhile ive got about 750 scans sitting on my harddrive waiting to be uploaded but with the problems on the site recently that 750 is gonna be 850 real soon- im looking forward to the day that the new server is in and we can once again get stuff uploaded fairly quickly.

Joe


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Joe,

the Nikonscan software has a ton of features that I've never bothered to learn how to use - I probably use maybe 3% of it.

Anyway, enjoy your new toy!

Cheers,

Charles


User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Joe the new server has been installed and is up and running. Have a look at the non-aviation forum, Johan wrote a message to tell us its up.

Cheersand have fun,
Martin


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

oh awesome Martin, cool. now lets see how long my sole picture in the que takes to upload- its actually a really neat shot with a bwia md80 taxiing, an aa 757 taking off above it, and in the distance a twa 767- and the twa is pretty much in the same area where AA587 crashed- hopefully itll be uploaded soon

Joe


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

I've had one for about a year - fine scanner, but I'm not impressed with the NikonScan software. I find I get better - and much faster - results with Vuescan.

Procedure - set up is straight forward, but watch you select an appropriate colour space. Spending some time on the gamma calibration (within Nikonscan) is worthwhile - I find this is quite hard to judge - ambient lighting should be your normal working environment.

My basic workflow is to scan full frame 4000dpi at 16bit - I figure I might as well get the maximum possible out of the image, and I think sampling down from this in PS or whatever helps minimise grain/noise effects. What I aim for is the ideal digital copy, which I then file away on CD.

Nikon offers the option of multi-pass scanning which is supposed to reduce noise, esp. in dark scans, but frankly I've never found this a problem and see little difference in single pass or multipass scans. The various image adjustment tools in Nikonscan are pretty clever, esp. the selective colour adjustment - the sharpening tool is pretty cool too as it allows unsharpmasking on individual color channels, but all this is rather let down by the fact that you can't get a 100% preview to work with! Hence my preference to use Vuescan followed by Photoshop.

I do use Nikonscan occasionally on poor quality slide/negs as the digital ROC/GEM are quite effective.

Cheers,

Colin




Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

Colin,
thanks, some good info. i guess ill be getting the vuescan and do it that way- the only thing i can do is 4000dpi each time- ive got hundreds and hundreds of scans lined up and will need to reduce the dpi in order to get em done in this lifetime  Smile

Joe


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

I bought Vuescan as well, but never really fell in love with it. I prefer to use the Nikonscan software. Both work, and it's all up to your preferences.

Joe, if you are planning on doing a lot of scanning of archives, seriously consider the slide feeder. It is really worth it.

Cheers,

Charles


User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Hello guys! Gald you got the scanner Joe. It probably will be to you like me, when you get something new it takes a while to break in!

Charles, I have been scanning the last roll I shot at ANC a few days ago. The lighting is good, the image is sharp, but when I scan it comes out really grainy! Do I need to purchase some kind of photo editing program to fix that, or what settings do I set the scanner to? I know it should produce really high image quality because I have seen your great shots! Even if they are tele shots (300mm). I am just using the Nikon software that came with it, I don't have any of the other software you are talking about (which one should I get? I need something good and easy to use), also like I said I am having trouble with the "crop" section, kinda confusing, each time I try to set a resolution and/or size settings it automatically does it own thing and changes.

Help would be appreciated!

Thanks, Dmitry.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Have you checked the autofocus? I usually have autofocus and autoexposure turned on. I can't think of anything else that might cause blur.

I'll be out of town for the next few days (No PC's where I'm going either), so good luck. I'll check back mid-next week.

Cheers,

Charles


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

well i did one scan already- piece of cake- all i had to do was go to photshop and do some dust cleaning, unsharp mask a bit and some color correction (basically the same thing as before) only this time i did a very very dark slide and man o man what a difference- the black is real solid black whereas before on the s20 it was greenish with tons of noise and vertical lines.

Joe


User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Hope you enjoy it Joe, it really easy to scan with, but I am looking into buying a photo editing program, anything you would suggest? A guy told me Corel Photo Paint (I think thats what it is called) is good?

-Dmitry


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

I guess I've tried them all - I was a mainstream Corel user for many years - but if you want the best, Adobe Photoshop is still in front and now my editor of choice. After that (and not far behind) are Corel Photopaint,
Paint Shop Pro, and Gimp - each has its strengths and weaknesses, but all can produce professional quality results.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2828 times:

Thanks Colin!

For all those that use the coolscan 4000 ED. What setting would I type intot the tool Pallete for uploads to a.net? I can make quality image scans, but the file size is like 20 MB! Way to much! A.net wants the images 1024 pixels in width max! How do I set ie to that? I know were the width goes in, but it changes everything and cufuses me.

I would appreciate if somebody would get me all set up for the scanning to a.net.

Thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it!

-Dmitry  Smile


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

Dimitry - in the crop section of the tool palette, uncheck everything except the "keep this output size" (2nd) option - type in 1024, 768, and select pixels - that's it.

You can move the crop frame around the image as you like - expand reduce it - but the aspect ratio will be fixed to the values you entered.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Ah, thanks Colin! I will give it a try to see what happens.

-Dmitry


User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

Hello Ckw! I just went and tried that, I changed to pixels and put in 1024, it automatically changes to "16024", is that suppossed to be that way?

Thanks, Dmitry.


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

ok i have a problem and hope you guys can help me out- do you guys keep your nikon4000ed on all the time? cause when i shut it off i get a message saying that its an error or something like that. ????

Joe


25 Ckw : Dimitri - other crop options will take preference over your fixed pixel size - make sure you have everything else in the crop screen unchecked Joe - t
26 Joe pries : Colin, you are the man, thanks buddy. ok since im an idiot with this stuff im gonna ask my tech support mr mclaughlin about this and he can advise me
27 Ckw : Joe - it may not be you - it SHOULD be down in the right hand corner by the clock etc., however, as often as not it doesn't appear on my system either
28 Joe pries : Colin, thats whats happening- when i shut it off i get a message saying that something wasnt shut down right and system might crash etc plus when i di
29 Ckw : Joe - unlikely that the shutdown would cause a disk error, more likely the disk error proceeded your installing the firewire driver which may have had
30 Flpuck6 : Wow guys, I want to save this for future reference. I'm in the market for a scanner and after reading the short life-span of the HP S20, I'm looking i
31 Post contains images Alaskaairlines : Joe, you are suppossed to click on the little green arrows in the right bottom icon section on your comp! Its just like shutting your computer down. -
32 Alaskaairlines : I just bought the same scanner about a week before Joe. It cost $1600 retail, but I got it on ebay brand new for $1360. Very nice scanner really recom
33 Joe pries : OK D, ill look for the green arrows, thanks Chris, i got mine at ecost.com for 1499 plus 70 bucks for overnight shipping and their handling charge. B&
34 Sunilgupta : Joe, I’m curious if you looked at the Coolscan IVED and, if so, why did you choose the 4000ED over it? Thanks Sunil
35 Joe pries : Hi Sunil, I did not look at the coolscanIVED- what i do when i get new equipment is ask around and see what the every day pros use- when it came to my
36 Post contains images Alaskaairlines : Thats right Joe. If I could afford a Nikon coolscan 8000 ED I would of went with that, but I am in the beginning stage of Aviation Photography so I ha
37 Joe pries : ok Colin and anyone else whos really good with the 4000ed- been doing some test scans (still learning the scanner) and now im finding that the scans a
38 Post contains images Sunilgupta : Thanks Joe. I like your philosophy! I’m just not sure I can plunk down that kind of dough. In comparing the two I see three key differences: - resol
39 Post contains images Joe pries : Sunil, the diff between 2900 dpi and 4000 is huge and dynamic range is golden- the more the better. dont be like i used to be and try to save a few bu
40 Joe pries : ok guys, im very pleased- i found the green arrow and now know how to properly shut down the 4000ED- im glad cause i thought maybe there was a serious
41 Ckw : Joe - I love the scanner, but must tell you that 90% of my use is with Vuescan, so my knowledge of the Nikonscan software is limited. Dark scans? OK,
42 Joe pries : Colin, you are brilliant. I will check all the items you've advised on tonight to double check but i will say that on my monitor at home the final sca
43 Joe pries : ok Colin, new problem- i now shut the scanner off properly via the green arrow- problem is that when i shut the computer down i get a blue screen and
44 Ckw : Hmm yes, I've had that too - but since I don't usually shut down the scanner before the PC, hasn't worried me too much - I just put it down to crap Mi
45 Joe pries : Colin, I too am running ME and will do as you now and just shut it off after the computer is shut down. yeah, im also gonna wait a while until xp is g
46 Sunilgupta : Joe, Colin, Thanks for the advice... it'll be the 4000ED!!! PS, if you want a rock solid OS without the weakness of ME/98 and the hassles of XP regist
47 Cfalk : Hi guys. I use WinXP, and the scanner works beautifully with it. I can switch the scanner on and off, before ore after boot-up, repeating several time
48 Mikephotos : Charles...same here. I'm running XP since Christmas and haven't had a problem since. All of my current equipment is supported by XP and works perfectl
49 Joe pries : Hey Mike, what do you mean 10 seconds? 10 secs to install xp? please clarify Joe
50 Mikephotos : No, after you install (which took me about an hour or so since I did a "clean" install) you must activate XP within 30days. The activation takes about
51 Sunilgupta : Mike, Charles, I have an XP Home CD so maybe I'll give it a shot. Which version of XP are you guys using - XP Home or XP Pro? Sunil
52 Mikephotos : I'm running XP Home. There is enough minor differences from 9x/Me that might drive you nuts at first but once you get used to it, you'll love it. Whil
53 Post contains images Ckw : Yeah Mike, I know what you mean ... and Windows is so clever, that should you neglect to refresh your system once in a while, it kindly reminds you by
54 Cfalk : I use the Home version. And I agree with Mike, do a fresh install on a reformated HD if at all possible. Charles
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