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User currently offlineEndofdays From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

Hi!

Do you have any experience that the security guard at the airport try to make you leave while you are spotting, how would you deal with them? I would like to hear!

Thanks for all replies!
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User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5577 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1229 times:
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Hi

I have experienced this a few times at Aberdeen, especially when the Royal Flight is due to arr/dep.

If asked to move on, do what they say.

Do not cause a fuss as it will only make matters worse.

Regards
Gary Watt
Aberdeen, Scotland




User currently offlineNikonman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

Here in the states, money works well....very well...don't rely on that however, sometimes it wont work. Basically, just ask him, or ask to talk to his sup...



User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Recently i was in ORD and was approached by a security guy. (it was chilly and i had my sweater hood up, prolly made me look a bit shady) He said he had a report of someone "on the grounds" and asked what i was doing. I just told him simply i was taking pictures and if what i was doing was illegal then i would certainly leave. He was like "well, umm, i suppose your not really "on the grounds" and theres not law against taking pictures...etc.." So he bid me farewell and that was that.

Oh yeah, and when he showed up, i took my hood off   that was probably a good idea

Just be nice and act normal and i think you should have no problem.


CHRIS


User currently offlineAIRCANON From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

Well most of my aviation photography activities are at Salzburg - Airport W.A.Mozart (SZG / LOWS).

Till now no security guards bother spotters as long as you keep of prohibited area.

If someday a security guard would be sceptical about what i am doing i would try to explain my photography ambition and i would ask him if he would like me to show him my ID-card and last i would ask him if he has access to the internet. If he does i would invite him to visit airliners.net. That should be convincing enough. Don´t you think so?

Regards

Edwin


User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4363 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

I've been approached by the airport police outside in the parking lot at DCA. You need a pass ID to enter the gate to the lot but you could take pictures. I guess the cop saw me on a latter near the fence with my camrea, hehe...I just got down. No, I wasn't going to hop over the fence which it had some sharp barbed wires on it.


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User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1118 times:
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I don't have problems usually,
most security guys in ZAG are friendly,
once I was asked for ID - and after that guy parked his car about 100m away from me
and once I had to move - I tried to explain that I'm not trying to shoot down any acft but just take pics
and he wouldn;t let so I just went a little further and used
nearby corn field as a cover to not be seen by security guys,
and I wasn't very far away
(that time it might be because the chief of parliament was returning from visit)



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User currently offlineJderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1757 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

while taking pictures at JFK on the parking garage across from T1/2 i was run off by a security guard who said that even looking through binoculars heightened the risk of terrorism...so my father and i drove to the port authority buildling on field and we were granted permission to take pictures..but because we had to go get permission i missed the BA concorde taking off...but luckily i was within probably 500-700ft. of it while at the police building...but my dad and i still have a joke about how we should make a fake SAM (surface-to-air missile) and somehow rig it to the top of our car and drive through JFK then park on top of the parking garage...i wonder how long we would last...  hehe

jderden777



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User currently offlineDsmav8r From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

NYC airports in general are very unfriendly... EWR isn't too bad, but I have had problems there as well.

I used to give airport police all kinds of grief if they tried to make me move. I just do what they say now, it isn't worth my time arguing with them. All it takes is one disgruntled, corrupt, cop to make your life a living hell.  

Here are my top 5 favorite and least favorite airports to photograph/spot:

Bad:

JFK, LGA, DTW, ORD, SFO

Good:

MIA, LAX, FLL, PHX, LAS

Just my two cents.  

Aric Thalman
Omaha, NE



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User currently offlinePK743 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1064 times:

Hi!
I do spotting at BHX here in the UK, and one day in the pouring rain I took my step ladders, a camera, my air band radio and a massive umberella up with me!

I was approached by a guard (who had been on the television a couple of days before!) and he was interested to see what I was doing. He said that as long as I don't make any attempt to jump over or throw something at the aircraft or obstruct the runway I should be OK!

I was along in field slap bang next to the runway, with a camera, in the rain with my other equipment with bright clothes on a a coulourful brolly - what the passengers on the plane must think of me I don't know!!! Seeing a dead young person doing that they must of thaught I was mad - but I love it!!

I even got a wierd wave from about 30 pilots!
I'm gonna do it again very soon!

Marc!!  


User currently offlineDavus From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 174 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (14 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1056 times:

I live in Australia and shoot at MEL mainly. I have had no problems with guards whatsoever. Probably because the only really good points at MEL (common ones anyway) are open to anyone who wants to go there.

Just my two bits worth.

I think most of the Aussie airports are good. Dont tend to get hassled too much at all

Regards

Dave
MEL, Australia


User currently offlineSunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 786 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

I always stick a camera and lens in plane view. If it's not too cold/hot I stand outside my car with my gear. A little head nod as they pass by helps too. Of course sitting there in a minivan with two car seats probably doesn’t trigger too many alarms in their minds  

On Thanksgiving Day a parking lot attendant told me that taking pictures was not allowed at EWR! I politely told him that last time I checked this was a free country and as far as I knew I was on public land. He went back and forth with me but finally called ops and was promptly told that it was ok.

I guess I attract a lot of attention when I’m standing on top of my van hooting and hollering because something like the Peter Max Continental 777 just took off in front of me with full morning sunlight!!!!

Regarding DCA: Depends who is on duty at DCA. I call ops a few minutes before I get there and tell them what I'm up to. That way if the airport police stop I just say I called ops and they leave me alone.

PS. Cops tend to get pissed if you call them security guards. I don't know about other airports but in the Metro-DC area (BWI, IAD and DCA) all security folks are real police.

Sunil


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

Hootin and hollering! hehehe! I know what you mean. I was just at LAX taking some photos, and the security guard at the long term parking lot on the other side of the barbed wire fence where I was at decided to show up. He didn't say a word, just kinda leaned against a car, about twenty feet away, and just stood there, for about half an hour. Occasionally his buddy came along and chatted with him. Guess he thought I was a suspicious character.

Anyways, this big Polar Air Cargo jumbo jet comes roaring overhead. There's great lighting, I have perfect position. I took three shots, each about a half second apart, each with the aircraft in different spots. A second afterwards, I find out I still had the lens cover on!

That brought some hootin and hollerin on my part, and I forgot the two security guys where there! I accidently let slip a bad word or two...and the guy asks me what the problem is. I was a bit taken back, just made a fool of myself. I just explained as best as I could, but man did I miss a good shot! Just a little story. hehehe

  Tzvika



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User currently offlineNikonman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1039 times:

You use a rangefinder?

User currently offlinePK743 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

Hi,
How do you actually sort a problem like this out when they come over to you? I am new to aviation photography and I turn into a quiverin gwreck when anyone talks to me that I haven't met before!!

I used to qiver when talking to my mom so god help me with a guard at the airports!!

Please give me tips people!!
Marc!


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1046 times:

Some tips I've used successfully over the years the few times I've been approached.

1. Don't look or act scared or nervous. To a cop, that is an instant tip off that you may be doing something illegal, you have a warrant, or you are in possession of narcotics. First and foremost, you need to at least appear to have some self confidence. That shows 1) that you have nothing to hide and 2) the cops might be in for a challenge if they decide to mess with you. If they think that you know that it is ok for you to be there, most cops and guards will leave you alone. It's not woth the hassle for them. If you look helpless, that makes you an easy target to the cops that usually have nothing better to do while patrolling the airport.

2. Try and look presentable. Don't look like a bum. I'm not saying you have to wear a suit. But at the same time, don't wear cutoff shorts, or a soiled tank top that looks like it hasn't been washed since 1987. Comfortable jeans (or nice shorts-depending on the weather), and a nice shirt and a well groomed appearance will be all you need. Remember, perception is reality to most folks, and cops are no exception. If you look disheveled, and like a bum, you will be treated accordingly-which usually involves chasing you off the property.

3. If the cops do approach you, don't try and scuffle you camera away. Short of pulling a gun or rocket launcher out, there is no worse action that you can do. You will look like you are trying to hide something. This is what people in possesion of narcotics usualy do. They think that by hurrying up and shoving it under the seat that the cop is not going to notice. Anytime a cop sees someone trying to stuff something out of sight in a hurried manner, you might as well just put a neon sign with a huge flashing arrow above you that asks the cops to come over and check you out. Even if you aren't hiding anything (which I assume you aren't), why attract uninvited attention?

4. Try and avoid hanging out on or near the fences as much as you can. If the location will simply not permit you to shoot without looking through or climbing over the fence, then do it, but be discreet, walk away and go back to your car, and try to act like it's no big deal. Be as casual and nonchalant as you can.

5. If you are approached, don't get belligerent. Just be calm, rational, and try and negotiate. People that argue with cops always lose by being ticketed, arrested, escorted off the property, or just getting harassed. If the cop is being a jerk, then just leave, try to make a couple of phone calls, and get names and permission that it is ok for you to be there. The airport ops manager is usually your best bet. If the cops come back, just say you spoke with so and so, and he said it was ok for me to be here. usually he;ll then leave you alone. If he persists, well he was going to bug you anyway. At that point it's just better to give up and move to another spot and try again some other time.

6. Last, but not least. Don't try and take pictures at places you know you have no business being. A little common sense, some patience, some courage, a good attitude, and a nice appearance will be all you need.
Good luck.


User currently offlineFastGlass From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (14 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

The best way to ward-off airport police is to wave at them, and acknowledge their presence (if they are on the 'other side of the fence'). If they cruise behind you, go ahead and look at them (again respecting their presence) and return to shooting (keeping the camera at your face).

In the US you aren't breaking any laws unless you are parked/standing in a private/restricted area. The cops are always curious, and they have a job to do. Most seasoned airport cops are used to photogs, and rarely blink. It's the new hires with a chip on their shoulder that cause the most problems. If they hassle you, ask to talk to their supervisor.

As far as the previously mentioned "dress code" goes, that's a bit extreme...


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 998 times:

You stated: "As far as the previously mentioned "dress code" goes, that's a bit extreme".
Really?
You're telling me that my suggestion to look presentable and not like a bum is unreasonable and overbearing???????

You are joking, right?


User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2182 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 991 times:

I actually like looking like a bum when I go to shoot...I have -never- been bothered by cops...



User currently offlineFastGlass From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 954 times:

Chris has a good point. Lurking around perimeter fences while wearing neatly pressed Dockers and Izod shirts certainly attracts more attention than jeans and a tee-shirt. Dressing like a preppy isn't neccessary.

User currently offlineClassic707 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1014 times:

I was at AUS a few months ago when airport police came over to investigate what a friend and me were up to. I was kind of scary at first but after we explained what we doing he started asking us questions about spotting. This next part is funny and kinda had to believe; on his lunch break, he came back and joined us! That was kinda cool!  

User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (14 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 952 times:

Hello guys,

I was at Changi Airport's.... the fencing area... to look at planes but however my friend was taking pics. Well, a patrol car came over and asked us what we were doing... well, my friend ignored him and tried to get him out of sight... as the Lufthansa B747-400 "Hannova" is approaching. Well, I handeled him by telling... we are just taking photos... you won't be arresting us right??? Well, he said... if it is true, of course not! I will be watching you... well, I was suprised he sid he will be watching me... and I said, if I did something wrong... I will be happy to follow you back... and he just drove off.

Alvin



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User currently offlineDavus From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 174 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (14 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 942 times:

Where were you sptting in AUS. Most of the air traffic cops are pretty cool round AUS i reckon. Well....i have found them to be anyway.

Dave


User currently offlineClassic707 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (14 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 960 times:

I was at the viewing area inside the golf course.

User currently offlineDavus From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 174 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (14 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 939 times:

At MEL?

25 Post contains images Endofdays : Wow! You guys are really PROFESSIONAL! Thanks for all tips! Macro
26 Classic707 : Actualy AUS
27 Post contains images Pearson : That's better!! See, I can SEPLELL
28 Endofdays : Jderden777, How do you get the pass, does that cost you some money? Thanks! Macro
29 N757AT : Since 1995, I've had no problems at Charleston (CHS) until this past June. I took out my 300mm zoom and aimed it at a US Airways Express D328. Well, O
30 Nikonman : If you feel like a walk, then park where it's legal, and walk out. Ask the next cop that gets upset if he'd like coffee and doughnuts...
31 Post contains images BO__einG : Cool it, Be calm., Avoid stuttering and just be yourself.. What I do is to bring some of my airline pictures to prove what I am doing..WIth the negati
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