Aer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1535 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 5654 times:
Well you may remember my topic a while ago about my intention to explore the marvels or woes of Kodachrome, well now I have the results and can I say im fairly impressed.
Initial impressions from my one and only roll is that the film is very sharp and grain is quite good. Scanning it is a little tricky, sometimes producing a cyan tone to the image. Not much hassle though so it doesn't really bother me. Scanned colours are a little dull, however the original slide is much more punchy and to be honest thats all that really matters. Anyway a little saturation adjustment in photoshop produces a more accuarate representaion of the real thing (according to my eyes).
Having shot Sensia 100 since November last I can safely say that K64 will be my film of choice for bright and sunny days. My observations are that K64 is much better in those conditions being sharper and more impressive in teh grain department. Having said that I wont be packing in Sensia for good. K64 isn't exactly the best film in not so great conditions, which has been said many times, so Sensia will remain my No.1 for the dull days when I fancy going out to shoot.
Finally on teh developing front all turned out well. I sent my film off to Stuttgart in Germany, refusing to send it to London for fear of the dreaded Ireland - England post reliability! Nevertheless I received my yellow box exactly two weeks to the day, including time over the Easter holidays, so im fairly impressed.
Anyway Im including a few examples that you may be interested in and no Dan contrary to you belief this is not a plugging session!
Sorry that the shots aren't exactly the most interesting angles but since I had only one roll of the stuff I wanted to shoot angles im more confident shooting.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months ago) and read 5310 times:
Help!! Hey Guys!!
I need your help about with me a cabin shot inside of the airplanes as for K64 or something is different film use as for sensia 100 or somelse like that to do buy at eckerds or wolfcamera. See if you guys that need to know about anything best shot with airplanes and cabin shot or cockpit shot. Well, can you do something as for me. Thanks, guys!
Jderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1749 posts, RR: 31 Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5290 times:
i'm usually a green shooter, but recently i decided to try it out and i got my hands on a few rolls of k64...i'm anxious to get my slides back, as i think lots of them will turn out good (i got some PERFECT shots of an AA/TWA 757 hybrid, if my memory serves me right it was N701TW)...but today i got some k64 shots of "Fat Albert" the Blue Angels support C-130...and some provia 100f of the blue angels F-18s...
tomorrow i'll have some action shots from their practice for the airshow on saturday!
anyway, i am looking forward to getting my slides back (tuesday)...and i hope to have some K64 slides to scan (aside from Mr. Liao's which i always enjoy scanning )
TomH From United States of America, joined May 1999, 960 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5282 times:
Those are some sweet pictures! K64 speaks for itself when a competent photographer is pushing the button, like yourself. In other words, I think many of the problems others have had with it relates to experience level.
Regarding some of the other Kodachrome advantages that have been discussed and argued over in the past, let me reopen a couple of old wounds with the following:
Should you find that a couple of years have passed and you are still using K64, you will by then have realized you made a good choice. You will not have to worry about image deterioration, and collectors will always be willing to send you bundles of money in return for your slides. Well, small bundles anyway.
If you shoot much military, you will find K25/K64 are the accepted and expected currency of the experienced military shooter when it comes to slides. Newbies will probably try to argue this, but who you gonna listen to?
You are correct, K64 is nothing like the old KII. It was not intended to be like it, as K64 was the replacement for a bad ISO 64 product called Kodachrome-X. K25 is the replacement for KII. Somehow I think that KII was better overall-and I'm not alone.
Ljungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 902 posts, RR: 39 Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5250 times:
I believe that the choise of what film to use, has much to do with your personal taste. I used the K64 between 1979-97, then I switched to the Sensia 100, and I will not switch back, 'cause I think it have more intense colours (=which I think is better).
The K64 is very difficult for red colours in dull weather conditions, but the red colours is OK when it's bright sunshine. The real problem with the K64 is, shooting a photo of for instance an Alitalia, or even worser, Air Canada aircraft, in ANY weather you can't easily see that the dark green areas IS dark green and not black!
One more problem with the K64, at least here in Europe, is a very long developing time (weeks!!).
N178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 67 Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5249 times:
I don't want to spark any debate on Kodak vs Fuji again, but have any of you look hard in your viewer(loupe?) ,compare about a K64 slide and a Provia or Velvia slide (Not Sensia), see just how GRAINY the kodachrome is and Fuji despite all disagreement by many of you, you cannot overturn the fact the K64 is so GRAINY, dot dot and many dot in the blue sky background. I am not complainting about the color here.
Martin, all great shots, try shoot K64 in wet days like you did with Sensia, and see the results again. For Fuji, you have to be very careful to choose a right lab to process, if all care have been taken, I am sure Fuji looks just as good as K64 if not better! Those Aer Lingus and JaugarB732, I know what exactly will turn out on Velvia, which is my beloved favourite, a super high saturation and contrast, make the slide looks mouthwatering.
The other explanation of people shoot many K64 is the Economy of Scale. K64 price include processing, in most countries have Kodak lab set up, price is way lower than Fuji Velvia or Provia. (Without Processing on film). Some slide service turned around a great deal of slides, opt for K64, have to do with their own Economies of scale, heard in Swiss cost CHF13 for K64 include D/M, but FujiProfessional (not Sensia) will cost at least CHF25 or so, it is more economical after all, but I am going for the super nice color feeling and smooth Grain, willing to pay a little more anytime!
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 54 Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5226 times:
with your above message, even though you dont want to spark a debate, youve done so. I love when people put down kodachrome- its grainy its old its rotten its ancient the colors are bad they are too red they are too dark, its bad in poor weather. I still cannot understand how in my 12 years of shooting kodachrome, ive never once had a problem yet with the film- and you know i shoot in every single type of condition. People have been putting kr down for ages, but meanwhile the kodachrome guys just sit on the side and listen- and continue to shoot kr heavy- last weekend i shot 23 rolls- all came out absolutely perfect. This weekend, if it wasnt cloudy in new york i'd go shoot another bunch- and get back perfect results.
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 54 Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5231 times:
D theres a reason why most of the long time slide collectors have used and continue to use kodachrome and pay big money for slides.
as far as the ramp- remember that i do work for clients who send me to shoot airport scenes and airplanes so it allows me to spend alot of time shooting 50mm shots.
Ljungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 902 posts, RR: 39 Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5208 times:
Well, as I wrote earlier, not ALL people who use KR64 continues with it, I'm one of the exceptions!
I used KR64 for my aviation photography until 1997, which was for 18 years, when I switched to Sensia 100.
It's pretty much about your personal taste, as well as aesthetics ALSO is about taste, you can discuss such things over and over again, forever, and people still have their own taste.
Not much to do about it, but it's damn fun to have the discussion...
N178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 67 Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5191 times:
With all the criticism you wrote there, obviously your words reflect lots of people didn't get along with KR64, include me and others here, but sure every brand of film have some faithful followers like you here. I know enough guys complaint to me often and swaped to other film (Green prehaps), otherwise tell me HOW did Green film as a late comer to marker develop such a market share, luring new users and even K25 stopped? (not sure this is related?).
I am not using this messages to show how Kodachrome so bad compare to Green, but i am expressing my feeling and facts towards K64, as it is grainy, you just can't deny it. That's all, I didn't mean Fuji is a completely perfect film.
F27 From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 212 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5187 times:
I have used KR 64 film since the early 80's and never had a problem with it. My biggest problem is Kodak keep loosing my films on me. My latest one i got back slides from a Plastic surgeon certainly not Aviation Slides and most were regos which i had chased for months. But KR 64 film is industry standards and i will keep using Kodachrome until it is made no more
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 54 Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5197 times:
that is kodachrome 64 and Sam, i can proudly say that there is very very little grain- i think the grain issue is overdone with kodachrome, especially when high quality lenses are used- there is very little in the way of grain
F27- i know that kodak is frustrating once you leave the new york area and i know its brutal waiting for 2+ weeks to get your slides back- but we always put a premium on the finer things in life....
F27 From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 212 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5181 times:
Joe i live in Australia and our films go to sydney most of the time it is only a 4 day wait for our films to come back but what has been happening to me lately i am getting very sceptical at times as to weather or not i am going to get my films back. I have no probs with the film at all i love it but they ned to get their act together to return the correct film. I am about to go and shoot a 727 that i last saw 19 years ago when it left Australia.
Alaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5166 times:
Well I have had a record of 3 days, but that was at a Ritz Camera place. Usually it takes about 4-5 days, but now I am going to the mailers that go to NJ (New Jersey), I have no idea how long that will take for them to ship the slide back to AK. The local place gets my slide back usually really dusty and sometimes little werid marks on a few slides. How should I expect to get my slides back from NJ Kodal Processing lab?
I kinda thought that shot was on good ol' Kodachrome, excellent Joe!