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User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1568 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

Well you may remember my topic a while ago about my intention to explore the marvels or woes of Kodachrome, well now I have the results and can I say im fairly impressed.
Initial impressions from my one and only roll is that the film is very sharp and grain is quite good. Scanning it is a little tricky, sometimes producing a cyan tone to the image. Not much hassle though so it doesn't really bother me. Scanned colours are a little dull, however the original slide is much more punchy and to be honest thats all that really matters. Anyway a little saturation adjustment in photoshop produces a more accuarate representaion of the real thing (according to my eyes).
Having shot Sensia 100 since November last I can safely say that K64 will be my film of choice for bright and sunny days. My observations are that K64 is much better in those conditions being sharper and more impressive in teh grain department. Having said that I wont be packing in Sensia for good. K64 isn't exactly the best film in not so great conditions, which has been said many times, so Sensia will remain my No.1 for the dull days when I fancy going out to shoot.
Finally on teh developing front all turned out well. I sent my film off to Stuttgart in Germany, refusing to send it to London for fear of the dreaded Ireland - England post reliability! Nevertheless I received my yellow box exactly two weeks to the day, including time over the Easter holidays, so im fairly impressed.
Anyway Im including a few examples that you may be interested in and no Dan contrary to you belief this is not a plugging session!

Sorry that the shots aren't exactly the most interesting angles but since I had only one roll of the stuff I wanted to shoot angles im more confident shooting.


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and some Sensia 100 examples taken in dull weather


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I hope I've enlightened some of you who have doubts about K64, its a nice film so give it a chance.

Cheers,
Martin

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User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3672 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5707 times:

I also think that K64 is a good film but the colours seem a bit 'dead', maybe because it is an old film and the emulsion hasn't changed from the time that K64 was released.

User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5689 times:

The emulsion has changed.(or was it just the processing?) But not for the better..
Anyway it looks nothing like the old Kodachrome II.  Sad
/JM



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User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

Nice pictures! K64 explains it all!

-Dmitry


User currently offlineCO777 From South Africa, joined Apr 2000, 261 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5656 times:
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Anybody tried the Fuji Provia 100F? I have tried and its very easy to scan.I do like K64 but it can be very difficult to scan.
Jason Whitebird


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

Help!! Hey Guys!!

I need your help about with me a cabin shot inside of the airplanes as for K64 or something is different film use as for sensia 100 or somelse like that to do buy at eckerds or wolfcamera. See if you guys that need to know about anything best shot with airplanes and cabin shot or cockpit shot. Well, can you do something as for me. Thanks, guys!


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

to me Martins scans on k64 look excellent- nice saturation- great. k64 scans just fine- did over 5000 scans on my s20 now on my 4000ed- always beautiful scans.


Joe


User currently offlineJderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1757 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

i'm usually a green shooter, but recently i decided to try it out and i got my hands on a few rolls of k64...i'm anxious to get my slides back, as i think lots of them will turn out good (i got some PERFECT shots of an AA/TWA 757 hybrid, if my memory serves me right it was N701TW)...but today i got some k64 shots of "Fat Albert" the Blue Angels support C-130...and some provia 100f of the blue angels F-18s...

tomorrow i'll have some action shots from their practice for the airshow on saturday!

anyway, i am looking forward to getting my slides back (tuesday)...and i hope to have some K64 slides to scan (aside from Mr. Liao's which i always enjoy scanning Smile/happy/getting dizzy)

jonathan d.



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User currently offlineTomH From United States of America, joined May 1999, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5634 times:

Martin,
Those are some sweet pictures! K64 speaks for itself when a competent photographer is pushing the button, like yourself. In other words, I think many of the problems others have had with it relates to experience level.

Regarding some of the other Kodachrome advantages that have been discussed and argued over in the past, let me reopen a couple of old wounds with the following:
Should you find that a couple of years have passed and you are still using K64, you will by then have realized you made a good choice. You will not have to worry about image deterioration, and collectors will always be willing to send you bundles of money in return for your slides. Well, small bundles anyway.

If you shoot much military, you will find K25/K64 are the accepted and expected currency of the experienced military shooter when it comes to slides. Newbies will probably try to argue this, but who you gonna listen to?

Jan,
You are correct, K64 is nothing like the old KII. It was not intended to be like it, as K64 was the replacement for a bad ISO 64 product called Kodachrome-X. K25 is the replacement for KII. Somehow I think that KII was better overall-and I'm not alone.


User currently offlineLGB Photos From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5629 times:

K64 is a great film! For anything overcast or semi sunny, I use Provia 100F, heck I sometimes even use it on sunny days but it will never replace Kodachrome.

User currently offlineLjungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 908 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5602 times:

Hi!
I believe that the choise of what film to use, has much to do with your personal taste. I used the K64 between 1979-97, then I switched to the Sensia 100, and I will not switch back, 'cause I think it have more intense colours (=which I think is better).
The K64 is very difficult for red colours in dull weather conditions, but the red colours is OK when it's bright sunshine. The real problem with the K64 is, shooting a photo of for instance an Alitalia, or even worser, Air Canada aircraft, in ANY weather you can't easily see that the dark green areas IS dark green and not black!
One more problem with the K64, at least here in Europe, is a very long developing time (weeks!!).

Just my 2 cents

Johan  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently onlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1710 posts, RR: 65
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5601 times:
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I don't want to spark any debate on Kodak vs Fuji again, but have any of you look hard in your viewer(loupe?) ,compare about a K64 slide and a Provia or Velvia slide (Not Sensia), see just how GRAINY the kodachrome is and Fuji despite all disagreement by many of you, you cannot overturn the fact the K64 is so GRAINY, dot dot and many dot in the blue sky background. I am not complainting about the color here.

Martin, all great shots, try shoot K64 in wet days like you did with Sensia, and see the results again. For Fuji, you have to be very careful to choose a right lab to process, if all care have been taken, I am sure Fuji looks just as good as K64 if not better! Those Aer Lingus and JaugarB732, I know what exactly will turn out on Velvia, which is my beloved favourite, a super high saturation and contrast, make the slide looks mouthwatering.

The other explanation of people shoot many K64 is the Economy of Scale. K64 price include processing, in most countries have Kodak lab set up, price is way lower than Fuji Velvia or Provia. (Without Processing on film). Some slide service turned around a great deal of slides, opt for K64, have to do with their own Economies of scale, heard in Swiss cost CHF13 for K64 include D/M, but FujiProfessional (not Sensia) will cost at least CHF25 or so, it is more economical after all, but I am going for the super nice color feeling and smooth Grain, willing to pay a little more anytime!

Sam Chui


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5578 times:

Sam,
with your above message, even though you dont want to spark a debate, youve done so. I love when people put down kodachrome- its grainy its old its rotten its ancient the colors are bad they are too red they are too dark, its bad in poor weather. I still cannot understand how in my 12 years of shooting kodachrome, ive never once had a problem yet with the film- and you know i shoot in every single type of condition. People have been putting kr down for ages, but meanwhile the kodachrome guys just sit on the side and listen- and continue to shoot kr heavy- last weekend i shot 23 rolls- all came out absolutely perfect. This weekend, if it wasnt cloudy in new york i'd go shoot another bunch- and get back perfect results.

Joe


User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

There sure is a lot of faithful Kodachromers here. Joe and were all those 23 rolls on the ramp?

Your one lucky guy, wish I could get ramp access like that!

-Dmitry


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5583 times:

D theres a reason why most of the long time slide collectors have used and continue to use kodachrome and pay big money for slides.
as far as the ramp- remember that i do work for clients who send me to shoot airport scenes and airplanes so it allows me to spend alot of time shooting 50mm shots.

Joe


User currently offlineLjungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 908 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5560 times:

Well, as I wrote earlier, not ALL people who use KR64 continues with it, I'm one of the exceptions!
I used KR64 for my aviation photography until 1997, which was for 18 years, when I switched to Sensia 100.
It's pretty much about your personal taste, as well as aesthetics ALSO is about taste, you can discuss such things over and over again, forever, and people still have their own taste.
Not much to do about it, but it's damn fun to have the discussion...

Johan  Laugh out loud


User currently onlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1710 posts, RR: 65
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5543 times:
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Joe

With all the criticism you wrote there, obviously your words reflect lots of people didn't get along with KR64, include me and others here, but sure every brand of film have some faithful followers like you here. I know enough guys complaint to me often and swaped to other film (Green prehaps), otherwise tell me HOW did Green film as a late comer to marker develop such a market share, luring new users and even K25 stopped? (not sure this is related?).

I am not using this messages to show how Kodachrome so bad compare to Green, but i am expressing my feeling and facts towards K64, as it is grainy, you just can't deny it. That's all, I didn't mean Fuji is a completely perfect film.

Sam


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5540 times:

Sam,
i've used fuji provia100f for non ramp shots and i like the film- but for ramp shots, i will use kodachrome until they dont make it anymore.

Joe


User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5543 times:

Joe what film was used on this shot:


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Is this Kodachrome or Fuji?

-Dmitry


User currently offlineF27 From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5539 times:

I have used KR 64 film since the early 80's and never had a problem with it. My biggest problem is Kodak keep loosing my films on me. My latest one i got back slides from a Plastic surgeon certainly not Aviation Slides and most were regos which i had chased for months. But KR 64 film is industry standards and i will keep using Kodachrome until it is made no more

User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5549 times:

D,
that is kodachrome 64 and Sam, i can proudly say that there is very very little grain- i think the grain issue is overdone with kodachrome, especially when high quality lenses are used- there is very little in the way of grain

F27- i know that kodak is frustrating once you leave the new york area and i know its brutal waiting for 2+ weeks to get your slides back- but we always put a premium on the finer things in life....

Joe


User currently offlineF27 From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5533 times:

Joe i live in Australia and our films go to sydney most of the time it is only a 4 day wait for our films to come back but what has been happening to me lately i am getting very sceptical at times as to weather or not i am going to get my films back. I have no probs with the film at all i love it but they ned to get their act together to return the correct film. I am about to go and shoot a 727 that i last saw 19 years ago when it left Australia.

User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5538 times:

4 days in australia? thats excellent- aside from the getting back the right film problem- 4 days is probably better than anywhere in the world other than new york- you guys in australia are lucky

Joe


User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5518 times:

Well I have had a record of 3 days, but that was at a Ritz Camera place. Usually it takes about 4-5 days, but now I am going to the mailers that go to NJ (New Jersey), I have no idea how long that will take for them to ship the slide back to AK. The local place gets my slide back usually really dusty and sometimes little werid marks on a few slides. How should I expect to get my slides back from NJ Kodal Processing lab?

I kinda thought that shot was on good ol' Kodachrome, excellent Joe!

-Dmitry


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5524 times:

D,
i think fairlawn youre looking at 2 weeks turnaround- sucks but what can you do aside from moving to nyc.

Joe


25 Alaskaairlines : Well Joe I think NYC is just not a place for me! I love Alaska, wait untill you see it! I know NYC has a lot of advantages, but Alaska has a lot also,
26 Joe pries : D, number one- i would love nothing more than to shoot 24/7- i've sat at a poker table for 16 hrs straight (Ballys atlantic city 1997) so i can certai
27 N178UA : Hello F27 If you live in SYDNEY, you can go to Moorebank direct and drop off there, pay AUD10 for 5 rolls prioirty , you can sure get them back in 24-
28 Alaskaairlines : Yep Joe! If you want just about 24/7 ANC is the place. I could almost feel sorry for your walet if you sat 16hrs strait at a blackjack table, or it co
29 Joe pries : D, it was poker and i won about 100 bucks in the end. ill have to fish out the ak 732 and scan it. far east i mean japan and china Joe
30 Alaskaairlines : So when you going to head out to Hong Kong, Beijing, Tokyo, etc.........? -Dmitry
31 Joe pries : no firm dates yet but will be sometime in the middle of winter- most of the people ive spoken to and the shots ive seen on ainet from there point to b
32 Post contains images Rindt : Sammy, Honestly, you make me laugh... no offence. First you tell us how good Fuji is, etc, etc... and then you say you're shooting Kodachrome 64 for a
33 Post contains links and images Rindt : Oh yeah... while we're talking about "grain" with KR64... Here are some recent slides taken with KR64 (like what else would I use? ) : Click for large
34 N178UA : Rob, You COMPLETELY MISSED MY 1ST intention, and afterward... 1. You missed my point, my point is I shooted for the agent, who asked for specifially o
35 Post contains links and images N178UA : Another Topic from Joe said about Far East I think there are another few airport in Asia really deserve some attention. these are the airport have eno
36 Post contains images Glenn : No Argument Go Digital
37 Post contains images Rindt : 1st point : Yes, I'm aware the agent asked for Kodachrome 64... obviously, because it's an excellent film - that's WHY they chose it. 2nd point : Yes,
38 N178UA : Rob, Thanks, I simply like to respond all uncertainty and some funny issue you arise from my last reply. The fact that KR64 archival abilities are so
39 Post contains links and images Ljungdahl : I must say that I agree with Sam here, my own experience with KR64 is 18 years, thousends of slides shot in ALL weather conditions, and I had a long t
40 Lewis : I have to say that I am a Fuji fan too, mostly Sensia and Provia 100F. And I have to agree that the dark green on your AC shots Rob is more like black
41 Post contains links and images N178UA : Rob, I will off to work soon, so cannot reply to you till next morning in Australia time. I work in the Money Market.(overnight shift) Taking advantag
42 Post contains images Joe pries : theres way too much to respond to with Sam and Rob all i can say is that its true that people on ahobby do buy from Sam and its true that people did t
43 Post contains images Rindt : Sam, That's like comparing apples and oranges... any film will look like crap if improperly exposed or stored. But I find it hard to believe that Koda
44 Joe pries : good for you Rob i hope you crush everything in sight down there- i probably wont be getting down to australia for many years (i dont see the need per
45 N178UA : Rob, Just came back from work. thanks again for your responses, I am wondering why you think only (non-serious people) trade Green with me? And only t
46 EGGD : Well, I still have issues with the colour of Kodachrome, I prefer more natural and vibrant tones. Digital photographs display them best, and just adds
47 Joe pries : "KR64 just looks ugly" i love some of the stuff i see on here, its great Joe
48 N178UA : For the grainy issue, You cannot look at one's scan and comments about, as he may sharpen it hard or something. You don't know the real slide looks li
49 Joe pries : yeah to continue this is pointless indeed- there can be no winners here, just back and forth forever. Everyone shoots what they like Joe
50 Post contains images Carlos Borda : When they discontinue K64 then I'll probably be going all out digital I think... I won't even bother with the green monster. In all seriousness... eve
51 N178UA : Why all K64 user fear K64 may discontinue one day???? I thought K64 sells so well, they should expand since everyone like to use it here, why everyone
52 Mikephotos : Don't ever assume anything. I remember people saying Pan Am, Eastern and TWA would never "stop one day" Well we all know what happened there. K64 ugly
53 F27 : Most people who cannot use kodachrome have not even tried to use it well. i still have my first shots of chrome in the cupboard which were taken on a
54 Post contains links and images Tomh : You probably haven't stopped laughing yet! The yellow/green debate still smolders just under the surface. I would like to comment on some of the techn
55 Aer Lingus : Its fun all right Tom yet interesting and informative !
56 Alaskaairlines : Hello Dan! Well I am totally new to this hobby! I mean like 4-5 months since I started. Can you tell me which ones said are underexposed? Like I said
57 Psa188 : Martin wrote: "Having shot Sensia 100 since November last I can safely say that K64 will be my film of choice for bright and sunny days." Glad you've
58 Psa188 : Joe wrote: "4 days in australia? thats excellent- aside from the getting back the right film problem- 4 days is probably better than anywhere in the w
59 N178UA : PSA188, Although didn't agree to Kodak64 here, I must say Kodak Australia did a excellent job apart from mounting very full frame slides, tends to cut
60 LGB Photos : I use to be able to take my K64 to the Santa Ana shop at 9pm and pick it up 10am the next morning, but now that shop sucks when it comes to developing
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