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D30 Versus C2100  
User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5067 posts, RR: 15
Posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

What are the differences in quality between the Canon D30 and Olympus' C2100 Ultra Zoom (or even C1700 the lower priced one)? I know the canon has the CMOS chip versus the Olympus' CCD for picture processing. but is there a difference in the output? Also, how is the quality of the lens of that 10x zoom compared to a typical Canon EF 28-90 lens?

I own two Canon EF lenses that i could use with the D30 if i got one, and then sell only my EOS300 body. My other option is to get a cheaper Olympus, and then sell the complete Canon EOS300 setup with both lenses, and then down the road if i want to go digital SLR i will need to re-purchase Canon lenses which would cost even more.

bruce

so, i am wondering if it really is worth it to get the D30.


Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
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User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

I think that's the same as to compare a Subaru Impreza with a Citroen Saxo Cup.

But who am I to say this? just kidding.

Luis


User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

They are in 2 completely different leagues. The D30 is the best way to go, at least, that's my opinion...

Wietse



Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlineCraigy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

D30 definitely.

The 30 wins on smoothness at higher ISO, pixel count and the autofocus speed of the EF lenses. Battery life is better for a CMOS sensor.

What it boils down to is can you get a good price on a D30?

Which Canon lenses do you own? If they are reasonable ones, I would not hesitate to go down the DSLR route.

Regards,
Craig.


User currently offlineXenon From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

Hi,

I uses an C2100 and I love it!
But if you have the money go for the D30!!!

Regards,

Daniel



AirTeamImages -ATI-
User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5067 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1443 times:

Currently i own a EF 28-90 and a EF 100-300 both non-image stabilizing however.

The Olympus "claims" to have image stabilizer.

I have seen some D30 on ebay probably around $1,000 just the body - twice as much as the olympus.

Luis, I've never heard of a Citroen Saxo cup so I don't know if your comment was good or bad!!  Laugh out loud
They don't sell those cars in the States!

Bruce



Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineAirhead711 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

Hello
I'm using the C-2100 but i'm only a beginner.But I can say that the image stabilizer does work quite well.Only problem I have with the camera is that you do lose alot of image quality at full zoom.I have yet to get a single shot at max zoom that I would say is even good enough to keep.But again,I am only a beginner.It's not a bad camera for the price.

Scott


User currently offlineOH-LZA From Finland, joined Jun 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

Bruce,
http://www.citroen.com/site/htm/en/range/particuliers/saxo/01 has some info about the Saxo.
I'd go for the D30 in your situation, you might want to buy the newer Canon DSLR, D60.

Alexander


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

The Saxo replaced the 2CV to give you an idea of size and functionality  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

My current dreammachine is the Nikon D100, but it's still over my self-imposed limit for what I will spend on a body.



I wish I were flying
User currently offline1stspotter From Netherlands, joined Jun 1999, 521 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

Hi,

To see a comparison between the D30 and the 2100 see this page http://mitglied.lycos.de/planespotters/digital-samples.htm

If you have the budget for a D30, buy it. The 2100 is a very good camera with good results, but obviously it can't beat the D30 on quality , only on the price.

It is taken from the digital photography section at my website at http://surf.to/spotter

regards,
Marcel


User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5067 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

for anyone shooting with a D30 or D60, what is your "basic" lens? You know that there is a 1.6x multiplication factor with Canon's smaller CMOS sensor so it reduces your photo capture area. Usually people get a 28 - ? or 35 - ? lens with a standard SLR but even with 28mm lens you will have the equivalent of 44mm! So if you want to be able to capture a wide shot, what do you do?

Are there converters available to screw onto Canon lenses for that? (wide converter?) or do you all have to go out and buy expensive new lenses?

You'd need to get a 19 - 35mm lens to have the same width in your shot as you'd have in an EOS film camera - and usually those wider lenses are very expensive!

Has anyone here shot with a D30 and a 28 or 35mm lens and are you happy with the field of view that you are able to capture?

bruce



Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineYevgeny From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 199 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

For wide shot I use Canon fisheye 15mm 1:2.8

User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5067 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

I don't mean "wide" like creating a special effect. I mean a good, all-around wide angle like the 28mm is to the film version of the D30. I shoot with 28-90 on the EOS300 and wide is beautiful. not TOO wide but allows me to get a whole scene.


Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 769 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

Well the 1.6 multiplier is a big plus for me, as I love shooting long shots - I guess my "standard" lens is the 100-400L IS. For the wide stuff I've got a 17-35mm, which is good enough for most situations. In the event I need real wide angle coverage, I've hung on to an EOS 3 body ... which I've used precisely 0 times since I got the D60!

One seldom mentioned advantage of the "crop factor" is the fact that in effect the sensor is ignoring the edges of the image captured by the lens - since this is invariably the area of the image with the poorest optical quality, the crop factor actually results in a minor qaulity improvement on you images.

Interestingly, the much hyped Contax "full size" sensor DSLR is running into problems again - even sample pics have been withdrawn from the Japanese web site. Rumour is that they are putting in a new sensor to try and improve the quality.

Cheers.

Colin




Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineDigby From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

Bruce...
For the wide stuff I use a Cheapy Tokina 19-35mm, so even with the conversion factor of the D30, I can still get a decent shot and wide enough to get close enough for detail.
I find that the Tokina is great at 19-24mm and not so great after that. The sharpness just isn't there. I took this shot using the Tokina lense.
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © David Morrell



I only paid about $400 AUD for the lense and have been really impressed. It's great for apron shots at airshows!!

Hope this info helps...

David Morrell




Friends don't let friends shoot Nikon!
User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5067 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

I just noticed the Tokina model online, as well as similar ones by Vivitar and Tamron. Which one is a good quality? Anyone else had any experiences with those 3 lenses?

David, was that pic shown above taken at the widest range? It looks fairly sharp! Is your body a film or digital body?

bruce



Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5067 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

Also, is there a quality difference between "JPEG fine" and "RAW" on this camera? Would jpeg fine be high enough quality to upload here?

bruce



Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

Try Sigma instead. I found a 17-35mm/2.8-4 model. I don't have any experience about it.

Click here to see what they say of it.

-Joge



Bula!
User currently offlineJormy From Finland, joined Jan 2000, 231 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

Canon has already come out with it's new 16-35 f/2.8L zoom which I've heard is specially designed to DSLR's. There is also the 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 zoom which is quite often sold with the D30's and D60's. That makes 38-136mm on 35mm film which is enough wide for most of the people...

Best regards,
Janne
Helsinki, Finland
http://personal.inet.fi/private/efhk


User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

Jormy,

As I understood, cheap lenses were requested here. The Sigma costs a bit over 500 €, the Canon about four times that price: 2000 €.

-Joge



Bula!
User currently offlineJormy From Finland, joined Jan 2000, 231 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1235 times:

Joge,
Well, isn't that cheap?  Smile

Anyway the 24-85 is around 300 €.


Best regards,
Janne
Helsinki, Finland
http://personal.inet.fi/private/efhk


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

If you'd like some examples, I believe Paul Paulsen uses a D30. His shots are at LAX and have to be the best looking shots on this entire site. The zooms make it look like its 3 feet away. Amazing! Just search for "paulsen" and you'll get a ton of great shots!!!


My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5067 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1218 times:

Yes he does. His pics are right up there among the "cleanest" on this site. I'm not sure what kind of lens he's using. Looks like he'd be zooming in from afar. Maybe a 300mm?

If I buy the D30 I want to be able to use it for all kinds of shooting, not just planes. Many aviation shots require us to use long zooms (unless you are on the ramp then you NEED wide angle for those big planes!). but other subjects might not fit all in the shot. I could buy a vivitar or Tokina 19mm lens which probably arent' the same quality level as the Canon EF lenses.

bruce



Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 769 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

JPEG fine on D30/D60 is more than adequate for upload to a.net - and for good quality prints. The big advantage of RAW is a slight improvement in quality and less noise, but more importantly, the ability to apply camera settings after you've taken the shot - so, for example, if you shoot jpeg, you must decide at time of shooting which contrast, saturation and sharpness settings to use, which are then fixed. Shooting RAW, you can decide on these later - or make files with different settings. You can even add +/- 2 stops exposure compensation after you've taken the pic.

The catch is that RAW will take something like 3x the storage requirement of JPEG fine.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineDigby From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

Bruce,
I too use the D30 and the shot was taken at it's widest with the Tokina lense. I use the large fine setting on the camera all the time for aviation shots, but for other things I use the small fine setting to save on space. If there is something special I really want to get, I'll use the RAW setting, but it doesn't happen often. All the shots I upload to A.net are using the large fine setting, and haven't had any problems thus far. Most of my rejections are bad esthetics, only because I try and find something different in what I take. I could go out to an airport and get good side on shots all the time, but choose not to.

Cheers

David.M.



Friends don't let friends shoot Nikon!
25 Bruce : David, That's a very nice quality shot for a cheaper lens. I assume you had to crop it, because it is at a wierd aspect ratio. Went out with another s
26 Wietse : The reason for the purple is the limitations set by the CCD, high contrast is difficult to reproduce. On your EOS300, with film, that is not a problem
27 Planeboy : You gotta be kidding me ? No comparison - D30 blows most cameras out of the water -
28 Jan Mogren : Perhaps it blows most scanners out of the water? /JM
29 Post contains images Wietse : Jan... are you wrong sometimes? hehe... Terry, there is no purple fringing to be seen in a D30 shot, that's because it has a very high quality CMOS. B
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