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They Took My Shot And Didn't Ask Permission!  
User currently offlineAlphazulu From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 266 posts, RR: 19
Posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5660 times:
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I received an email earlier today informing me that the Southwest's employee website http://www.ifly737.com/ had posted one of my photos. They did quite a nice job of cutting out the United 777 and pasting the bushes from the left hand side to the right but failed to get my permission to use the shot.
Now, I don't care that much, but I feel they should have at least asked my permission. How would you handle this situation? Should I just let it go or email the webmaster and complain? Any help would be appreciated.
Paul

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User currently offlineMcringring From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

You should care. This is your property and they are using it without your permission. You should at least email the webmaster and demand he remove your shot. If I were you, I'd send an invoice, as well - so they get the point that this is not some minor thing. It's stealing.

User currently offlineRaaf_mirage From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

Send Invoice.

Charge the tossers for using your property. Demand payment.

J.


User currently offlineFUAirliner From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 538 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5494 times:

Paul,

I would definitely send an invoice in this case. They have cut out the UA 777 in order to conceal the copyright infringement, so they knew what they were doing and they knew it is illegal.


Frank



Frank Unterspann - Hamburg, Germany
User currently offlineAPP From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5493 times:

Yeah, they've done a great job of removing the 777, but get that invoice sent in to the cheeeky B******s, make sure you make it a big invoice so they get the message loud and clear.
If they want a picture that bad, they can go and take one themselves, it would have been more straightforward than removing the 777!!
APP.


User currently offlineBoeingholiday From Austria, joined Apr 2002, 456 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5455 times:

the next question here is: how can we protect our pictures? what when somebody take them and doesn't write us an e-mail?

User currently offlineAlphazulu From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 266 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5455 times:
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Now, How do you fight them? How much would you (in US currency) ask for. Have any of you taken on the violators and won or even gotten a response?
Paul


User currently offlineExitRow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5423 times:

I'd be up his butt about this. Not only did he use it without permission, but he altered it digitally to suit his purposes.

Bad all the way around.

If he gives you trouble, send him a link to this thread and he'll see that he's not just dealing with one photographer. He's making his whole website look bad in th eyes of a very strong community.

the next question here is: how can we protect our pictures?

Unfortunately, that's the risk you take when posting images on the web. There's really nothing stopping someone from stealing short of a cease and desist order on legal letterhead.



User currently offlineAlphazulu From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 266 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5279 times:
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The message below was sent to me in response to my email regarding the unauthorized use of my photo by Southwest Airlines.
Paul

Dear Paul,

On behalf of Southwest, let me apologize for the use of your picture
without your permission. I am so glad you brought the issue to
Southwest's attention, and deeply regret that this incident has
tarnished your image of our Company. I'm sure had someone asked you
beforehand, you would have been happy to give permission to use your
photo, but, regardless of the reasons, it was incorrect to just make the
assumption that it would be ok with you.

I believe everyone here at Southwest would agree that our success has
at its core its over 35,000 honest and hard working Employees, and that
integrity is a critical element to the Company's continued success. To
Southwest, integrity includes admitting when we are wrong, and Southwest
was wrong to use your photograph on its Intranet without your
permission. Please know that this type of occurrence will not happen
again, to you or anyone else.

I hope that this incident does not forever tarnish your image of
Southwest.
If you would provide me an address, I would like to send you a gesture
of goodwill. Again, our apologies.

Sincerely,
Cindy Buhr
Chief Counsel
Southwest Airlines Co.



User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

All i can say is if this was Northwest TowerAir......hehehe

User currently offlineExitRow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

If only they were ALL so apologetic.

What a classy airline.  Smile


User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5249 times:

Gesture of goodwill?

If it is anything under $5,000, I would sue. lol

Keep us posted, let us know what they give you.



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2123 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

Sounds like a genuine e-mail of apology, a timely one at that, even if the principal of "stealing" a copyrighted image is at question. Well done Paul.

I, too, would be interested to know what Ms. Buhr sent you, if you're willing to share.

-Chris



Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5241 times:

Because of the threat of a lawsuit, I wouldn't be surprised if the webmaster got fired over this, and if they were willing to give you thousands in cash.

Big corporations get scared over stuff like this. It's easy for a newspaper to find out, and the bad publicity makes the stock go down.



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineAlphazulu From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 266 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5176 times:
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I think this was the honorable thing to do on Southwest part and from my POV it leaves a good taste in my mouth. Thanks Southwest for doing the right thing! Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2116 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

BigPhil,

I doubt that happened. The IT department probably got an email telling them to get permission...

Personally, I'd rather have a pass or two than money...but then, that's just me.



User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

Goodwill = Free One-way flight ?  Big grin

User currently offlineEBOS From Belgium, joined Jul 2001, 520 posts, RR: 48
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5061 times:

Another copyright violation...

http://public.fotki.com/Bear50th/belgian_aviation/

I found pictures of Michael Van Bosch, Frank Zahornik, Philippe Bleus, Jan Horions, Jan Cuypers.... and sent the 'photographer' a 'friendly' email... feel free to do the same Big grin

Sven




An-225 stalker: 1 x LUX, 1 x EIN, 1 x DXB, 2 x SHJ, 3 x CGN
User currently offlineAlphazulu From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 266 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4959 times:
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Yesterday I received a letter from Cynthia Buhr of the legal department at Southwest Airlines. In it she apologists again for not getting my permission to use the photo in question. And, "As a gesture if goodwill" she enclosed two round trip tickets (green passes) good for any destination Southwest flies.
Again I want to thank Southwest for admitting their guilt and compensating me in a way I feel is more than adequate. Way to go Southwest Big thumbs up

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User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

Now that they send you the passes... you gonna let 'em use the picture?

Flyboy36y


User currently offlineAlphazulu From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 266 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4861 times:
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They only used it for about 3 days as the page it was posted on changes all the time.

User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4842 times:

The free trip passes were one thing, but that picture is copyrighted to you because you took the photo, and then they used it without your permission. I would try to do something more than get a free trip as SWA just did a copyright violation.

blink



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineChazzerguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 277 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4823 times:

All the talk of money and everything is all fine and dandy, but frankly if it was me I think all I would have asked for was a photo credit on the site... Guess I'm just a wimp  Smile ! But seriously, the ego boost probably woulda been all the payment I needed. However, 1) I think you had/have grounds for a suit and 2) I also think it was a pretty class act for SWA to give you the passes.

Unfortunately, Internet theft of copyrighted material happens all too often... But if a violator shows contrition, that would be enough to satisfy me...



User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

You got two free tickets, you should be a very happy man.



User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

Two free tickets... on SWA? How worthless, even if they were first class seats.

oh my god, you have been totally, utterly ripped off.

What if it was my picture? I live in Colorado and we don't see SWA, thankfully. What would they do for me? They'd have to send cash, and it would have to be a lot of it. If I were you Paul, I would have threatened to sue and try to get a couple grand in "hush money".

I don't believe this.


25 Sdjminton : Oh whoopee, I know what we'll do...We'll send some kid a couple freebie passes to shut him up. If I were you, I'd return them telling them where to sh
26 Hkgspotter1 : You guys are nuts !. Do you think your David Bailey ? They have sent you two free tickets and said sorry. Why is it in the States everyone has to sue
27 Cx flyboy : If someone like Southwest used my photo, I would kindly inform them that they were using it without my permission, as you did. However when they give
28 Jwenting : I'm sure the person posting the photo got reprimanded and it was done against company policy. Personally, I wouldn't do more right now but I would kee
29 Post contains images ExitRow : The use of the photo was obviously a mistake of one person, the webmaster. The airline recognized their mistake and remedied it quickly. Usage fees fo
30 L-188 : Or, maybe Paul could actively strike a deal with the web site to supply them with imagery for an agreed price. Lemonade from lemons I'd say. Sometimes
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