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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9635 posts, RR: 68
Posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2371 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Why do some reviewers ALWAYS kick my stuff out to Johan? Thankfully HE (and all the others who have emailed me lately) appreciates shots other than digital stuff taken yesterday.

Perhaps next time you are out at your favorite airport maybe you can grab a shot of a Convair 880 or Delta 747.

Good luck  Insane

Royal S King

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User currently offlineChazzerguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 277 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Royal-

Is this more stuff from your Dad's collection?... Some of that stuff really is great, as I've told you before, but perhaps you could give us the link to some of the rejects so we could see for ourselves? We all get our share of rejects... Don't take it personally...

-Chaz



User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

I'm loving the stuff from the 70's everyone has been uploading (Art, You, Johan etc). The older stuff is supposed to have an easier time getting on here.

User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

There has been some recent debate about whether it is OK for the site to accept uploads from people who did not take the photograph - for the most part, uploads by other than the photographer are not allowed without the upload comments specifically providing reasons for this (read the site FAQs - its all there).

Royal, therein is the difference between the treatment of your pictures, and those of others uploading from the same period - a number have been passed to Johan because screeners weren't sure how to deal with this issue. I think however the situation has now been resolved in respect of YOUR pictures (note to others - all situations like this are dealt with on a case by case basis).

However, I have to say, as with another topic running parallel to this one, you could help your cause and get a more positive answer if you chose a more appropriate title and a more sympathetic approach for your topic - taking the sort of attitude you did in your opening just risks making enemies.

Andy


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

A couple of my dads old pictures I originally uploaded in my name, but subsequently changed to his because I felt awkward and kinda un-deserving (He said but them in my name, but I decided it was best if it was his name on the photos!).

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9635 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2225 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Let me tell you about what this has done for my dad and I. I've always been on good terms with my dad, but he is a busy guy, always has been. He loves his work. As a child he used to take me with him to LAX to shoot pictures. Right after September 11th I discovered Airliners.net, and started to remember my love of aviation photography.

After viewing the pictures and reading the posts I started exploring around Seattle and Vancouver for places to view planes. Thanks to the advice of a couple of people on this forum I spent two 3-day weekends at the Fairmont Vancouver doing nothing but watching heavy jets fly in from Europe and Asia. I loved it. I decided that I wanted to contribute. I thought about my dad's collection, I talked it over with him, and he sent me 3 slide trays full of shots. He spends his time in Toronto now, he even sent them overnight to me.

After I had the first shots scanned, and after I pushed them through Photoshop, they got posted. I was SO excited. I wrote my dad an email, here is a snippet of his reply:

"What an absolutely cool email! Thanks for sending me this. It made my weekend. It might sound kind of silly, but when one of your children gets into something you like, and did long before, it kind of validates
all the effort. Thanks."

If my post title sounds negative it is because I am very disapointed. I have spent prob 50 hours and over $300 (not to mention the Coolscan 4000 that is sitting next to me ready to scan more pictures) on these shots, only to have them banished for months with a click of the mouse.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9635 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2193 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

here are a couple of the shots bounced to Johan.

Delta 747, taken in July 1971. Delta only owned 5 747's and operated them for a short period of time:
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/Delta747.jpg

Air France 747 from 1976
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/AirFrance747_2.jpg

Four Winds Convair 880 1977
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/fourwinds.jpg

Northwest Orient 1981
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/NWorient747.jpg

Capitol DC-10 1981
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/capitoldc-10.jpg

Frontier Convair 580 1976
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/convair580.jpg

The Hawaii Express, 1983. This picture is grainy, taken with a long lens, but defines rare. This is the only type of shot where you will find both Hawaii Express DC-10's in the same shot, taken a couple of days after they went belly-up, 2 days after Christmas '83. http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/hawaiianexpress.jpg


User currently offlineKingwide From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 838 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

I think you're missing the point totally here. There's no argument about the quality of the shots. The issue is that whoever screened them wasn't prepared to make a decision about whether you were able to post them under your own name. In these situations, we send them to Johan. That's what has happened. They're not rejected, nobody's said they hate them, they're just waiting for the guy in charge to make a decision about them. I really do not see why you're getting so excitied about this.

Now, if you had uploaded under your dad's name then there wouldn't have been any issue at all.


J



Jason Taperell - AirTeamImages
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

*cough* Gary Watt *cough*.

Seriously though, the photograph should be uploaded under the photographers name, not the person who uploads it..


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Jason is absolutely right - there's no problem with the pictures themselves and as you rightly say some are rather unique as far as airliners.net is concerned. The problem with the photographs you have submitted, and the reason they have gone to Johan, is been related to the following issue which is taken straight from the FAQs page:

If you would like to send us photos taken by your friend or similar you must contact us prior to uploading them and give us some sort of proof that you have permission from the copyright holder to send them to us or they won't be added.

In cases like yours, if the screeners are unsure whether you have the agreement of the copyright owner to upload the pictures, they get sent to Johan.

The sort of comment you have made above, about you having got the agreement of your father (had you made it before you started uploading) would probably have solved the problem before it ever became a problem.

Andy


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

I agree with all that has been said - especially about the name. If I was uploading my dad's old slides he shot then Id use HIS name not mine, afterall its the PHOTOGRAPHERS name not the UPLOADERS name

LGW


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9635 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2177 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

so, the answer is to stop uploading? That sure seems like a lose/lose situation. And what of the 21 pictures I already have in the database?




User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

What's wrong with uploading them under your fathers name?
/JM



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Clickhappy,

WHATS THE PROBLEM?  Nuts

You say you've got your fathers permission - we know that now, we didn't before. So instead of sending any further pictures you upload to Johan, maybe (just maybe  Big grin) we'll accept them directly in future.

And if you still doubt that and want to be doubly sure the pictures will be accepted, how about putting your fathers name on the uploads rather than your own, as has been suggested by others?

There - problem gone away. The pictures will get onto the database one way or another. End of subject???


User currently offlineScreener3 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

EGGD,

No it wasn't Gary, it was me.

We don't accept pictures from friends (ie Joe Blow uploads pictures taken by Mary Juhana under his name), and the other screeners commented on the images about accepting pix from you that your dad took.

I'm confused as to one aspect though, why can't you put your dad's name in there instead of yours? Honestly, how hard would that be? If that was the case, they would be on here in an instant.

S3


User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

The pic of the capitol DC-10 is a great shot. Taken at JFK I guess??


The Ohio Player
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9635 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2079 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

LAX  Smile I love the lot with all the derilict cars...

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