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Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?  
User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1123 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

In my opinion this picture is terribly off level or it is moments before stalling which would be even more terrible:


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What do you think? Can a DC9 do something like that?




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User currently offline5280AGL From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

The rotate feature in Photoshop is a very handy tool.  Big grin

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2958 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Yikes! Is that the "Cape Canavral" version?

User currently offlineCathay111 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 55 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

Shot from below while climbing (and possibly turning). Just an illusion due to the position of the photographer in relation to the aircraft.......

There's plenty of these in the database!

Do you really think these aircraft are climbing this steep or banking that hard? Nope, it just looks that way as the photographer is shooting from an area "approximately" underneath the aircraft. You could upload 20 of these shots a day if you stood under the departure path for Runway 34R here in Sydney!


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Wow that BAe 146 is climbing hard and stuff me drunk that 767 pilot thinks he's flying a F-18 Hornet!!!! NOT!





User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Thank you Craig.

That is exactly right.





User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

A DC-9 could never climb like that! Thats some photo editing program.

-Dmitry


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

As long as the horizon is not visible, you have quite a bit of leeway for a little creativity. Upside-down might be stretching things a little, however...  Big grin

Charles


User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2845 times:


Actually DC-9's can perform a pretty steep climb. In that pic the plane is making a turn while performing a typical Diesel 9 climb. Nothing phony about the pic. Tom has a couple of other pictures just like that one in the database. Great stuff.



User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Hey, check it out...must be a 737 stalling or something..


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just ignore Peter's notes...it *must* have been rotated.  Insane


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

I think that this topic should be locked - the original post was criticising a photograph that is in the database (you KNOW it wasn't stalling Setjet), and that's against the rules.

Andy


User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Andy, relax a bit.
I wasn't critisising anybody or anything, in my culture you just use sometimes a thing called "irony" to point something out.

As a matter of fact: You can't see if the picture is in level and I find the following discussion quite interesting (how sometime reality is different than what you see).

But please go ahead and lock this topic if you have to, and maybe the whole "photography forum" as well...(that was again irony!)  Big grin


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

Setjet said: in my culture you just use sometimes a thing called "irony" to point something out

Yes, and what were you pointing out? That ironicallly there's another photograph already in the database which was taken with the camera not level?

Well oh dear!

Point is we're out of "not leveled" discussions at the moment - we'll end up having the whole discussion about what constitutes level or not all over again, albeit against the sky rather than a hangar. This forum is in danger of going down hill quite rapidly what with all the carping and criticising that's been going on recently, and if it carries on much more then the folks on here who add genuine value when they can might just start to go away.

Andy


User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

I do not think this topic should be locked. Also, I do not believe Setjet -who started this topic did so for bad reasons. I admire Tom's photos - he is pretty much the only person other than I to submit photos from the wild, hilly, hillbilly state of West Virginia. However, I must say, the angle of this plane is kinda scary............................

User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

The one thought that occurred to me when I was taking the picture was "what exactly is the threshold for the DC-9". - so thats not too far from SetJet's issue.

As it happens, I've seen DC-9s do a handful of impressive climbs in 30 years of watching them that didn't seem too dissimilar (from whatever my vantage point was)..but anyway, my feet were planted on flat ground, it was the steepest ascent of the day, and all the images of other aircraft from that day were from the same spot and none seemed to come out in such a way as I would question if I was tilting them -either at all, or not siignificantly.

Having said that, discussions of illusions, cropping, DC-9 performance limits, level cameras etc. are not without value. But the suggestion/assumption that I took an image of a plane against the sky, with no reference point, and then deliberately rotated it to an implausible or impossible angle, and uploaded it, is incorrect.

Tom


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