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My Meeting At CLL About Photography  
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

This morning I was finally able to meet in person the manger here @ CLL. The director is a very nice man who didn’t give me the normal answers that many of us have become accustomed to. He did confirm there are NOT any Federal laws (FAA, TSA, Congress, President, etc.) against taking pictures @ airport. However, that was ½ of the good news.

Now for the not so good news.

CLL is run by Texas A&M University which has become really big on terrorism, security and first responder training. Based @ CLL is Texas Task Force 1 which is the state’s Urban Search and Rescue (USAR) team. They were deployed to the WTC following Sept. 11th. Anyway, TAMU is working to set up a lot of other counter terrorism centers. Because these things and TTF-1, TAMU does not want people taking pictures @ CLL without permission. They are not worried about people taking pictures of a COEX ATR-42 but they are concerned with the regular flights of C-130's that are here doing only God knows what. They also do not want people talking pictures of airport procedures such as boarding, loading/unloading, or refueling. Also, many high ranking TAMU officials (I guess this is the Board of Regents, President, etc.) don’t want pictures taken of their private aircraft. They have also had a lot of problems with the press talking pictures of restricted areas even when asked to stop so they have been forced to crack down on it.

So to put it simply, it was Texas A&M University, not the federal government who decided to place restrictions on this hobby.

Now for the rest of the good news.

I truly appreciate Mr. Happ, the Airport Director, for taking the time to meet with me and address my concerns. He could have been like a lot of other airport officials who just say “go away”. While he didn’t tell me quite what I hoped to hear, I was more than happy to accept his answers. He presented them in a way that didn’t make me feel like I was a criminal and spoke with me on an adult level. He also said that if I still wanted to take pictures @ the airport, I could contact him or the new head of the airport security, who was also in the meeting, and they would setup the time so I could take some pictures. He was also glad that the national guard has left the airports. (Then again, who isn’t?)

Overall, I am pleased with the results of the meeting. It shows me that not all airport officials in the U.S. have gone insane. While security is important, common sense should not be tossed out the window. I guess my problem here @ CLL is a lot like the ones @ HNL. Lots of military activity that they don’t want photographed so they’re very restrictive and cautious about it.

I’m probably leaving something out but I’m trying to get this typed up so I can get out to my office. My boss didn’t expect me to take time off this morning so I’m sure he is wondering where I am. I’m leaving tomorrow to go to DFW and do some spotting. Maybe with my new lens my pictures this time won’t come out looking like someone added too much softener.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Sounds like you had a good, productive meeting. It is nice to see airport officials who do care about the general public instead of themselves. I can understand their hesitation to the photography at CLL due to the military presence there, but that is understandable. It is also good that you can proceed with your hobby at CLL, as it sounds like the airport administration is on your side, unlike the unfriendly woman you had previously encountered before.

Jeff


User currently offlineSunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 782 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

This is good news!

CLL is operated by TAMU; however, it is listed as a “Public Use Airport”. It seems to me that at a “Public Use Airport” you should be able to come, go and take pictures as you please. Also, while they may not like you taking pictures of the operations, private planes, etc I don’t think they can legally stop you. The bigwigs are probably more concerned about you catching them boarding their private jets with a 22 year old blonde who is no relation to them  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Same goes for the C-130’s… if they don’t want them photographed then they should fly them at night. I used to go through this crap at military bases during airshows… the guards would say “you can’t photograph that”… well why was it parked there? It turns out that if a base commander leaves something out in plane view to the public that is not supposed to be seen, *he* is liable… not the public who has every right to photograph it.

Go out and take some pictures!

Sunil


User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Well that's a relief... boy, CLL is right up on my list next to SXM, ZRH, TGU, certainly an opportunity of a lifetime.

j/k

chris <---- jerk


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

One other thing he said all spotters should be wary of doing is using extremely long telephoto lenses. Those he said would bring the cops down on you very fast, even off airport property.

We're suppose to be getting our first scheduled jet service, a COEX ERJ from IAH within a month or two, and they'll allow pictures of it. As long as we let them know ahead of time it shouldn't be a problem.

I think all they want is to control access to "sensitive" areas, not prohibit it. I'm all for security but common sense shouldn't go out the window.



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2123 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

B757300, I highly commend you for having persevered through all that after your incident at CLL. Did you bring up that woman who gave you such a hard time?

In any case, well done for following through.

-Chris



Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3957 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

I agree with the use of the big noticeable lenses. I stopped using my 400 f2.8 and 300 f2.8 glass just after 9/11. I sure do miss using them though, they certainly made low light shooting a whole lot easier.

Nice job Eric, on your determination to get to the bottom of this issue. Not many (myself included) would have had the patience to put of with all of the politics involved.

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

So are they going to do anything about that equipment of yours that they damaged?


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

My stuff is fine, it wasn't damaged like I thought when I first posted about the national guard idiot back in Feb. I think somewhere I mentioned that but I don't remember. All they did to it was rip the film out and not close it back up. @ the time I was a little to upset to realize it wasn't broken. I've used it several times since and it works fine.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

That is good to hear......

It is much better everywhere since they got rid of those weekend wonders.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Hey, how did you get that meeting?

I thought you where being stonewalled by that security B&#%$ in charge.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

I was until I found a way to go around her. I e-mailed the director @ his TAMU e-mail address and hoped for the best. He replied and asked me to call this week and set up a meeting. However, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, I was blocked by her. Every time I called she said he was "unavailable". Finally yesterday I called and she wasn't in the office and I was able to set up the meeting.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Well good....

I hope you mentioned the diffculty you experienced in being able to get a meeting with him.

Again the thought that she was the one who originally started the whole thing, and you where able to address your greivences to her boss, just really ticks me off.

She should not have had the power to prevent you from seeing him, to complain about her actions.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

This is like spokewoman from Washington Metropolitan Airport Authority said to our group via Washington Post: "They can still spot and take pictures of airplanes but is safer for them and us if they move from IAD to DCA" hehehe
And she said that inbetween lines when we are waiting for Ethiopian 767  Smile

Spotters Power
Rafal  Big grin



User currently offlineSJC-Alien From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

.........it'd be far tooooo easy for photographers/spotters to be able to register with the airport Mgmt, and get an ID card or business card, so that if you're asked "what are you doing".....you can produce a legitimate ID and hopefully they'd have a clue-maybe they had a 'tailboard meeting' and would have been told by Mgmt to ask for the card-then go away if you have it. If you're blowing it and taking photos what they don't want(Military, etc..) then you have to leave.....face a 30day suspension until you can 'behave'.....

SJC Alien




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