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Ideas To Improve The Screening-time?  
User currently offlineBoeingholiday From Austria, joined Apr 2002, 456 posts, RR: 4
Posted (12 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Hello Airliners, this topic might be discussed some time before, but I really would like to know what you think about the following:
I know that the screeners have a difficult job to do, are in a hurry and are good guys  Smile/happy/getting dizzy . But we as photographes have to wait days to get our photos screened. Can't we improve the screening methods to reduce the waiting-time a little bit? I mean, look at Peter Unmuth ( Big grin great photos, peter! ), is it 'cause he's a screener, or why get his photos screened before others?
Any ideas welcomed, as always "Clear sky" Markus Big grin

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User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

here's a few suggestions,

Peter could stop uploading  Smile/happy/getting dizzy (and Colin Work for that too, can't compete with his shots at the moment)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
People could stop uploading rubbish (one exception of Note recently was OK though) (screeners know what I mean)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
People could also stop uploading 100 shots at a time
or people could just accept the fact that we as screeners have nothing better to do than upload Peter Unmuths shots a priority as he is a screener

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Now sits back and watches angry mob think Screeners are biased  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

How many times do we have to say this???  Angry Neither Peter, nor any of the other screeners, get priority over anyone else.

Peter has screened over 3000 photographs this last week. Think about how long that must have taken... Lets just say he averages screening one photograph per minute... No, lets assume he does better than that and averages two photographs per minute! 3000 photographs at 2 per minute = 25 hours. Thats a full day he's spent screening - in a week. So if any one photographer contributing to this site deserved priority treatment of uploads, it would be Peter.

The sequencing and processing of the queue has been debated ad-nauseum recently. Search the forum and you'll find all the answers. Queue processing is being reviewed, but there are no overnight answers.


Andy

(ps: I normally screen a lot over the weekend - over 1500 last weekend. My ADSL line seems to be playing up today, so this weekend I shall be doing none. Thats a good thousand less screenings that will take place over this weekend. Draw your own conclusions)


User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Hi!
Oh me again?  Sad
Guys my last upload was on the 25th of August. No more since then and no ones in the Q. Just screening to get the Q down.
Well i intended to do so, but now ..  Pissed
..... no.

Nice day Guys
Peter



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User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Its been said before, by obviously needs saying again - screeners get no preferential treatment!

What probably is true is that since screeners tend to be those who have some considerable A.net experience, we are less likely to upload shots that are borderline cases (not that we don't get rejections from time to time)!

This means we are less likely to get shots hung up in the "need a 2nd opinion" category.

Last Friday I had allowed my position in the queue to lapse and added some shots at the end of the queue and then monitored their progress. (Note that screeners have no influence over their own pics). It took 5 days from end of queue to appearing on A.net, which is pretty good in my opinion - in other words, although the queue tends to be large because of constant additions, the turnover rate is pretty high. Delays are invariable due to the fact that a picture is "borderline" and thus requires the attention of more screeners than usual.

While I accept there is always room for improvement in the process, I think we are at a pretty good balance between quantity and quality. At this stage I'd suggest photographers themselves could have a bigger influence on screening times by being more selective in what they choose to upload.

1 - look at recent uploads. Are your pictures really in this calibre?
2 - check existing shots of the same reg - does your version of this aircraft really add to the database?
3 - check for the little details - is the shot really level? Is there dirt on the image? Are there any borders?

Not pointing at anyone in particular, but I do get the impression that a number of people simply upload nearly everything they take, with little or no preparation.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

And I have a photo that has been in the Queue for several days now. It is of a Qantas 737. I sent an email to all the screeners (tongue in cheek) threatening them not to reject it as bad common. So far they have not  Smile/happy/getting dizzy but the Bastards haven't uploaded it yet either. If you can get favoritism out of that your a better person than I ( Atually it would be pretty hard to do as I am such a top bloke, just ask Colin who always Bowed when I entered the room)


 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineBoeingholiday From Austria, joined Apr 2002, 456 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!!!!  Wow!  Wow!
That's the wrong way of getting ideas in this post of mine!!!!
I really don't want to annoy the Screeners here, as I pointed out they have a big job to do, which isn't very easy sometimes!
Peter, I didn't know that you're a screener, please keep screening, I just was droven up the wall when I saw that some photographers get pictures quite daily accepted, that's what I meant, sorry again  Innocent
My idea was this: -> maximum upload: 50 pictures ?
At the end again, sorry Screeners  Crying


User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Ah it's sweet now, now that you placed 50 bucks in my pocket while you weren't looking  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

hint hint

 Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Peter, I didn't know that you're a screener

Oh yeh...  Confused Careful or you'll dig yourself an even deeper hole!  Nuts

Previously, in this topic...

I mean, look at Peter Unmuth, is it 'cause he's a screener, or why get his photos screened before others?



User currently offlineBoeingholiday From Austria, joined Apr 2002, 456 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

 Nuts +  Confused =  Innocent kind regards

User currently offlineVIR380 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2002, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

What a funny way to get your uploads constantly sent to the back of the que !

 Nuts



User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Screener or not, there is no preference. Even though I am a screener, I usually wait between a week and 3 weeks to get my shots screened.

Charles


User currently offlinePRM From Burkina Faso, joined Apr 2002, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

I've an idea.....Screening time can be quickened-up by posts like this one being deleted promptly so that screeners are not forced to repond over and over again to quell more unfounded claims about how current queue is preferential towards certain photographers etc, etc.....

This way screeners can get on with some good screening......unless the weather is good of course, then they might be allowed a few hours to get out and take some more picture before coming back and inserting them at the top of the queue  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineCarlos Borda From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 538 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

I'm not a screener... but that one made it around my way somehow.
Very interesting type of aircraft those two were. I'd love to take a ride on one of those one day. Big grin  Love

~Carlos

Glenn writes:

>>People could stop uploading rubbish (one exception of Note recently was OK though) (screeners know what I mean)>>


User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

Which reminds me, I should do some more screening  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

One thing people need to remember is that were not paid to be screeners were doing it because we want to. So it has to fit in around our work schedules and so on. Screening takes a hell of a lot longer than uploading too!

Cheers

Paul (Too busy to screen and shoot with his new S2!)


User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Paul, I have seen your S2 shots, you need to throw it away and start again and screen  Wink/being sarcastic

Glenn



User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

There are only 2 ways to shorten the time it takes to get shots screened:
1) screen more pictures per day
2) reduce the number of pictures entering the queue

1) would mean either more screeners doing the same amount of work per person or the same number of screeners working harder.
2) is something everyone can work on, and maybe should be enforced. I think it's time for a strict and enforced cap on the number of shots a photographer can have in the queue (say 5-10 at a time). Not only will that stop people uploading hundreds of shots a day (you know who you are) but it might also get people to think more about WHAT they upload and take more time to give those shots a realistic chance of being accepted. Maybe screeners can comment, but I can imagine a lot of people just uploading everything they have without any adjustment in the hope something gets accepted.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

CKW said:
1 - look at recent uploads. Are your pictures really in this calibre?
2 - check existing shots of the same reg - does your version of this aircraft really add to the database?
3 - check for the little details - is the shot really level? Is there dirt on the image? Are there any borders?

Not pointing at anyone in particular, but I do get the impression that a number of people simply upload nearly everything they take, with little or no preparation.


Well said Colin. The queue is large, but it is regularly be dominated by a few people who upload and upload and upload as if this is their own personal site, a platform on which to exhibit all of their photographs. Colin's point number 2 is critical here. If people would be a bit more selective, a lot of the queue problems would go away. Sadly, these comments have been made before and make little difference.

Andy


User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Totally agree with Colin.
The best way to reduce screening time would be to be selective on uploads. For example not to upload 3 shots of the controls of a airplane obstructed by the hand and watch of the pilot, or shots where you already write in the remark "I know its blurry but ....".
Cheers
Peter



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User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

I still think a limit should be applied to each photographer upload. With a limit number of photos quality would increase even more, it would force photographers to be more selective and choose the best of the best instead of using Airliners.net as their personal online portfolio. It would reduce the queue for screening and as a consequence it would decrease the number of photos uploaded each day (it's not good to have new 1000 photos each day). It would put all the photographers at the same level and it's a common pratice on internet photo display sites.

Luis



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