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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10688 times:


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Raising the gear just as the cloud tops are cleared?


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
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User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10481 times:
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Those are low clouds.

Je89


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7776 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10464 times:

Looks like Photoshop 101, introduction to inspirational photos.

The caption should read: Learn to rise above the clouds and soar... something like that.



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User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10448 times:

Its not even funny how fake that picture looks.
DC-10's Forever



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10426 times:

Might I suggest that there was lowish cloud in the distance, and what you are seeing is actually the 'front' of that cloud, not the top. I have seen similar cloud formations at Auckland - it makes for a really spectacular photo when the light is at the right angle to it - lots of oranges and yellows in the clouds, it really is something.

I must say it never ceases to amaze me how whenever someone loads a halfway spectacular photo, people cry out "fake". Grow up kiddies.

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineFly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10418 times:

may i suggest that the picture may not be fake! i was watching a pakistan airways A310 taking off, and it kept climbing for a while while i was watching with binoculars with the gear still down.

User currently offlineTbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10400 times:

Greetings:

It certainly is an interesting photo. You can see the reflection of the runway on the belly of the plane. I to have my doubts about this photo the lighting doesn't even look that even.

Regards
Tom


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10383 times:

If it's not fake, then please explain how the picture was taken... You're telling me the photographer was magically hovering above the clouds over LAX, and was able to perfectly capture a crystal-clear image of a Delta 764 just after it broke through the cloud cover???....


Get real.  Insane


There are so many things I can point out that are incorrect in this picture, it's not even funny... the very least of which is the mismatch in the direction of the lighting source between the clouds and plane. Also, look at the reflection on the polished underbody of the bird... um, gee, see any clouds reflected there??? Looks like the striping from the runway if you ask me.



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10372 times:

Tbird was posting as I was posting my message. Looks like someone else agrees with me as well.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6287 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10323 times:

I have looked at this picture for many minutes trying to find a defense for Jay. I can't. It's too clear for a telephoto picture through a cabin window of another aircraft, the clouds are to close to explain a front and I know of no structure near LAX high enough to get an aircraft emerging from a fog bank. I sadly must say that I also find the picture suspicious.


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10318 times:

I think this plane has never really climbed above the clouds. The ones you see are very distant, and the plane is just some feet off the ground, in the right angle to make it look like it's over them....

User currently offlineZebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10280 times:

Here are some more pics at the same angle. Any comments?


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User currently offlineJfs9900 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10260 times:

Look at some other photos from Jay and you will see simmiar looking photographs. http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=Jay%20Piboontum

One example:


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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10256 times:

TWFirst - please read my message: Might I suggest that there was lowish cloud in the distance, and what you are seeing is actually the 'front' of that cloud, not the top.

Let me try and say it again - the aircraft is in the foreground, the cloud is in the background. Those aren't the tops of the clouds you are seeing, it is the front of it. Of course the aircraft isnt above the clouds - it is probably no more than a few hundred feet (if that) above ground level. Which, from the viewers eye, would place it higher in the sky than distant clouds on the horizon. This discussion has been had many times before, with the same conclusion - telephotos lenses make the background appear very close to the foreground, when this isn't really the case. We had this with the runway photos (people thought the aircraft was raising its gear the as it was still on the runway - it was of course the parallel runway they were seeing) and with aircraft close to buildings (the buildings weren't that close at all - it was simply an effect of the telephoto lens).

I would suggest that the Air France and American Airlines shots show the same cloud formation, when it was close to the airport - so either earlier in the day if it was receding, or later in the day if it was approaching - judging by the light I would guess later in the day. Does anyone have weather conditions from LAX on September 1?

Now, if someone wants to point out something that is blatantly wrong, go for it, and then perhaps I'll change my mind. But from what I have seen so far, it is simply a very luckily composed shot.

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineZebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10231 times:

If you look at the comments on the KAL MD-11 pic, it explains it all. What you see are not clouds but smoke from the forest fires in CA. You guys need to lighten up when you start passing judgement on someone's work of art! This same thing happened with Tom Turner's BA 747-400 pic when it's authencity was questioned in the photography forum.
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User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10182 times:

I thought Airliners.net didnt accept "Fake" Photos ....if they do i will have a heap up on airliners.net in a few days  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

nzjet100


User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10180 times:

Oh and all the pics above a clearly FAKE!

User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10170 times:

Bigo747, what makes you think they are fake? Looks geniune.


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User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10149 times:

I'd have to agree in saying that these photos are genuine.

Yes, these are the smoke clouds from the forest fires in CA, which means they're very close to the ground.

Not a fake at all.


User currently offlineAirNikon From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 290 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10141 times:

I was also out at LAX the afternoon of 01SEP and I can attest that the background DID in fact look like that. To the N-NE there were TCUs that had been growing over the mountains for hours. In addition to that, there were in fact several large forest fires burning in the distance, with most of the (low) smoke N-NW closer to the horizon.

When you add these backdrops to the supposition that these shots were taken from "the hill" south of Imperial Hwy, the answer is genuine.

Finally, regarding color, there were no clouds in the sky over the ocean last Sunday afternoon and we had a spectacular sunset. The photographer obviously stayed later in the afternoon than I did, which explains the colorful highlights in the clouds.

Were you there? Probably not.

I, was...



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10052 times:

The pictures are NOT fake. I was out in LA last week and saw the same sort of clouds/sky. I did some shooting with Jay and a few others on 31Aug and I saw the results on the camera right after the image was taken...

~Ryan


User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10024 times:

For GODS sake, will you IDIOTS come to grips with Angles and Perspective. Why are you guys let loose with an Internet account.

User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10015 times:

To give you all an idea, I have a shot in the database which I clearly marked as an air to air shot. It is not. And to this day no one has ever queried it. I was on the ground.

the photo in question is
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I put it in there long ago to prove a point to another photographer that you can con people with Perspectives. (I might add before you start calling them all fakes, this is the only one) I had forgotten about it till this thread appeared so I will amend that before I get a whole bunch of hate mail
So tell me how this can't be done while standing on the ground again !


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9982 times:

You know what I find amusing .. all these armchair experts that think they know everything when so clearly they don't.

What is really FAKE is the photographic interpretation skills of some of the posters above.  Big grin





VH-ADG





User currently offlineExitRow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9971 times:

Here's a recommendation to A.net Admin.

If someone claims to have sniffed out a "fake" photo with little or no persuasive argument... and they are later proven wrong—should be DELETED. Plain and simple. There needs to be some deterrant. This is getting ridiculous and soon good shooters will simply leave instead of feeling compelled to defend their work. It's a mild form of character assassination and should not be tolerated.

Rooting out the authenticity of copyright is one thing. This is something quite different.

Getting images in this database is hard enough without having to endure the squawkings of armchair photo editors.

Go out and learn to be a better photographer.


25 ADG : Those who have been on this site long enough will remember the issue with Lawrence Feir and his photographs. Guess it makes little men feel big to be
26 Post contains images Alaskaairlines : Hey Exitrow, I agree with you on this one now. Since I don't post that type of threads from now on! But, I think there can be an interesting and healt
27 Alaskaairlines : ADG, who was Lawrence Feir? I took a look at his shots, very nice and awesome ones uploaded! Can you update a newbie like me (been in the photography
28 Post contains links PUnmuth@VIE : Dmitry: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/60924/6/ is the thread. Peter
29 Post contains links and images Tpk : I have to say that I find this entire discussion amusing as I was standing next to Jay taking photos on September 1 for almost the whole day. All of t
30 Post contains images Alaskaairlines : Thank-You Peter! You sure know how to dig up ancient threads! -Dmitry
31 Post contains images PRM : So ancient it must be all of one week old....
32 Donder10 : Being deleted for just suggesting a pic MAY be fake isn't really fair especially when those who do the accusing are not being aggresive about it. but
33 Sdjminton : As already mentioned...if you have an issue with a photograph how about contacting the photographer directly rather than dragging their good name thro
34 Dazed767 : It's amazing, everyone that is screaming out "fake" doesn't even have photos on here.
35 Wietse : Justin, you took the words out of my mouth. Really a shame I wasn't here for this discussion.... Wietse PS IT IS REAL
36 Thomasphoto60 : Jhooper, TWFirst, T-Bird, Desert Jets, GET A LIFE......these pics are the real deal!! If you guys have a problem with Jay's pics then have the balls t
37 VIR380 : Sorry ........ it just isnt right ! has to be fake (backdrop added onto existing image ) cheers Tony
38 Post contains links and images Lindy : Hi All, Here is another example that this picture is real and not fake. View Large View MediumPhoto © Rafal Szczypek hehehe It was taken with D10
39 Post contains links and images Zebfly2 : Hey Tony, GET A LIFE MAN!!! Here's another pic at the same angle: View Large View MediumPhoto © Jay Piboontum
40 VIR380 : Chill ........ why is everyone gettin so nowty ??? i have a life thanks !! , LOOK at the image at the start of the thread NO others study it and think
41 Post contains links and images Alphazulu : Ok Guys, I know the controversy is now over but let me put my two cents in. I was shooting with Jay and Tim from about 12 noon until 7:30p that day an
42 Post contains images Alaskaairlines : Guys, those photos are "as real as they get"! -Dmitry
43 ExitRow : The thing that gets me about the Photoshop "Chicken Littles" is that: a.) They don't contact the photographer first. b.) They have not proven that the
44 Mirage : William, hopefully these guys will return to the non aviation forum where they belong. Luis
45 Bruce : I'd have to say that the photos are real. I was onboard a continental 757 a couple summers ago, taking off to the west, and as soon as we were airborn
46 ADG : Might it be the time to point out to the armchair experts that accusing a photographer of taking a fake photograph may constitute libel or slander in
47 Post contains images Wietse : Amen to everyone saying the pic is real! But just ONE FINAL HINT!!!!! just ONE!!!!! have a look at the jetblast!!!! It continues in the clouds, how th
48 Post contains links and images Zebfly2 : Here are some more outstanding pics taken that day: View Large View MediumPhoto © Jay PiboontumView Large View MediumPhoto © Jay Piboontum A
49 Post contains links and images Bigo747 : Well if they are not fake how do they get these shots at that angle and that high !!!! To me they look FAKE ......computer graphics ! i can easily do
50 Jhooper : Thomasphoto60, Exitrow, and ADG, Did I once suggest that the photo is fake? No, I didn't. I made a comment about the gear being raised as the aircraft
51 Post contains images EGGD : JHooper - I have to agree with you, I realized it was just an illusion but it did look like he was retracting above the clouds . Good question and I s
52 Post contains links ExitRow : JHooper, My comments were not geared solely to you. You are, however, the unfortunate recipient of some angst due to a LOT of recent claims to digital
53 Carlos Borda : Pretty sad to read what's going on here with these photo manipulation accusations. Some guys here talk the talk... but they don't walk the walk if you
54 Thomasphoto60 : While the computer and graphics revolution of the past 10 or so years have allowed many of us to enjoy unlimited creative possibilities, sadly it has
55 Post contains links and images Bigo747 : SO ....You Guys a telling me these are real photo !!!!!! View Large View MediumPhoto © Jay Piboontum View Large View MediumPhoto © Jay Piboo
56 NonRevKing : Look, I was at LAX with Jay at the time. The photos are real...R-E-A-L. I saw them on his digital right after he took them. If these were taken by Joe
57 ExitRow : Bigo747... "It's too bad stupidity isn't painful. That way more people would get help."
58 Post contains links and images Dazed767 : Yes, we are telling you those are R E A L photos. You really do not know what you are talking about, do you? "The only thing that can prove these are
59 Thomasphoto60 : Damnit Bigo, contact Jay and ask. Just because you seem to lack the intellectual and creative knowledge to understand how these shots were made, well
60 Ren41 : Go to an airport on a partly cloudy day and you'll realize that the pics are real. It's just an illusion! R41
61 ScottysAir : You guys!!! Dazed767 is right!! This is a real aviation photography with the airlienrs.net as for itself. And this is not a real the pictures memebers
62 Post contains images Jderden777 : Bigo747: why bother crying "it's fake" when everybody here is telling you that it's real...i mean really, come on....it really pisses me off when peop
63 Alaskaairlines : Have a feeling this thread will get the "lock" very soon! -Dmitry
64 Flyer732 : I really don't understand how people continue to say these pictures are fake when you have a list of people, including some top photographers that wer
65 Bigo747 : I am now apologising for any problems I may have caused , to the naked eye some of these photos look impossible but really this explains it ....(this
66 Sdjminton : Bigo ... you should see a doctor about admission to a mental hospital due to your concerted need to attract attention to yourself.
67 Sudden : It's a shame that a photographer that takes photos good enough for A.net, must go through this. You guys that stick to that these photos are fake, are
68 Alaskaairlines : Sdjminton, thats was really uncalled for. -Dmitry
69 ADG : Jhooper, A quick check of my posts indicates that I have directed none of them at you in particular. I direct them at anyone and everyone who has dire
70 Sdjminton : Dmitry - please set the Tongue in Cheek mode to the on position. However, I do not see why someone calls photos fake and then openly admits to having
71 Post contains images Alaskaairlines : Sdjminton, well if someone asks for forgiveness, that means you forget everything said previously. We all are capable of making mistakes, including me
72 Hoons90 : I agree it is real.. Comments say that it is from the forest fires... Give the photographer a break and respect his hard work... and how would you kno
73 Dazed767 : Bigo747 wasn't there next to the photographer, he copied that from another post from TPK. from bigo747 ...if you look in the dictionary it clearly say
74 Post contains links and images Photopilot : Everybody should realise one thing. Your integrity is all you basically have. Loose that and where are you? Personally, I wish Photoshop had never bee
75 Post contains images Skymonster : Well, I've been away for a week and it seems that the lunatics are still playing the same games in the asylum. What annoys me more than anything else
76 Joe pries : Andy, if you're screening now, dont look at my delta 777 olympic shot, if you think this delta 764 caused a monsterous firestorm mine is gonna cause a
77 Post contains images Skymonster : Hahaha indeed, Joe, its a fake... Its a f****** fake I tell you (just to make it real clear, I'm talking about Joe's picture, not Jay's). Andy PS: Nic
78 Post contains images Skymonster : Hey Joe, Actually, I've thought about it again. I'm going to reject the 777 picture badcommon - we already have over 80 pictures of that thing in the
79 Post contains images Joe pries : hahaha- Andy you're a riot today- and I do appreciate you looking over my screwup with Brittania- but can you imagine a light blue concorde- oh yea ba
80 Post contains images Skymonster : Dang it Joe, the only reason I noticed the Britannia Concorde was because I was looking so hard to find a reason to reject that 777 picture Andy
81 Alaskaairlines : Can't wait to see it Andy. Get it up on the db quicker! -Dmitry
82 Post contains images Joe pries : Andy, i noticed you didnt upload the 777 on the first go- you must still think i photoshoped it, like Glenn does Joe
83 Post contains images Joe pries : Dima, you gonna start the "this is fake and so is joe" thread on it? get in line, Glenn and Carlos and McLaughlin are ready to pound on it as soon as
84 Post contains images Wietse : Well... all I can say is that I hope to be in the position to have someone say it about one of my pics. That would be an ultimate "appreciation" for m
85 Skymonster : Joe said: Andy, i noticed you didnt upload the 777 on the first go- you must still think i photoshoped it, like Glenn does Nope... I'll admit I wish i
86 Bigo747 : Dazed767....i said i was sorry read my post again carefully ,Yes i did copy that bit because i asked this ....Well if they are not fake how do they ge
87 Post contains images PUnmuth@VIE : Dmitry said: Get it up on the db quicker! Why? Theres a certain Q order so .... Andy said: I'll admit I wish it didn't have that copyright sign so obv
88 ScottysAir : This disscusion is over now and Johan goes to do locked it up this the thread. And the picture were not a real photographer and this is a fake one as
89 Post contains images Glenn : OOPS here it is, you left this name out of your thread Scotty Glenn Alderton. No damage done, I fixed it up now
90 LGB Photos : Damnit Bigo, contact Jay and ask. Just because you seem to lack the intellectual and creative knowledge to understand how these shots were made, well
91 Marco_Polo : Hey Guys: Well, this is me, Jay. I have been sitting back and observing the outcome of this discussion. I have to thanks a lot of you guys out there w
92 Post contains images Jderden777 : well spoken jay, glad you finally jumped in on this topic! nice shots, by the way... jonathan d.
93 Post contains images Thomasphoto60 : Scotty, You forgot to mention me as well........ Thanks Stephan, indeed I believe that this something that Johan might want to consider. Stephan Liard
94 Bigo747 : Dear Jay I am extremely sorry for this and will make sure it will not happen ever again IM so sorry please forgive me nzjet100
95 Post contains images NonRevKing : Thomas, you can take my place on Scotty's list. I don't deserve to be in there. My photos aren't that good...and my comments are stupid. Good to see y
96 Post contains images Thomasphoto60 : Brian, You definetly deserve to be on Scott's illustrious list. I'll just have to work harder! Jay, I am glad to see that you have replied, I was gett
97 AA_Cam : For all of you who think any of those photos are fake: YOU'RE WORSE THAN THE LIBERAL MEDIA. Just because you’re jealous that you can’t get a half
98 Post contains images SJC-Alien : ..............Excellent, Jay... As a long time Airliner photographer(but inept scanner...) I bet Jay has thousand upon thousands of photos like the re
99 Mirage : These last posts made me feel like in a true aviation photography forum, hope you guys stay here for a long time because we all have a lot to learn be
100 Post contains images Zebfly2 : AMEN, Jay. You have shown exactly what I try to teach my students at school:CHARACTER, INTEGRITY, INTESTINAL FORTITUDE and STRENGTH to stand up for yo
101 Flpuck6 : Glad to see Jay popped up and proved everyone wrong. But in all honesty, I think this thread needs to be retired. The whole questioning of the validit
102 Post contains images Alaskaairlines : Glad you tuned in Jay! There are people who make this hard, especially when you get all "this" (top part of the thread). Sure would be nice to hear wh
103 Post contains images ScottysAir : Hey Guys!! I did upload it with the pictures of the cabin shot as for myself on the airplanes. And I did improved with the photographers with Adobe Im
104 Sudden : Dmitry, you sure turn the way the wind blows, don't you! The thread below might give you an idea of what I mean. "Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!
105 Post contains images Alaskaairlines : Hey sudden. I don't post those type of threads from a couple of days ago and on. I learned! It usually takes one mistake to catch on, at least thats h
106 Sudden : "Copy that Alaskan. Over an' out."
107 Lewis : His pics are not fake. It is the angle that makes it look fake. Even the fumes from the engines distort the clouds so perfectly.
108 Alaskaairlines : How far away from the airport is that shot taken? Not a whole lot of shots from LAX similat to that one! -Dmitry
109 Jcs17 : No way...Fake...100%. Not at LAX, look carefully at the clouds, the texture has really low resolution compared to the rest of the picture. But then ag
110 Post contains links and images Flyer732 : The shot was taken at the same spot this one was... View Large View MediumPhoto © Paul Paulsen
111 Post contains links and images Tpk : Not to beat a dead horse, but many shots from LAX may not look like that, but I bet that if you look at other shots taken from Imperial Hill on 1 Sept
112 2912n : Obviously JCS17 did not read any of the rest of this thread. THE PHOTOS ARE NOT FAKE! They are great work and were NOT FAKED. Get a clue!
113 NonRevKing : Jcs17: We have already established that they are real. 4 of us were with Jay at that time. Get with the program. Brian
114 Post contains images Bigo747 : Because The Photos are so awsome , when you first see them ....they look so good ....to be good ! Awsome Photos ! nzjet100
115 Jj : I think that what's happening to you Bigo is that you envy this photographers. They got excellent and rare pics, that you couldn't even dream of getti
116 Alaskaairlines : Jj, lets not bash any other users. We are all capable of making mistakes, including my self. It has been proven that the photos are AS REAL AS THEY GE
117 PPGMD : I took one look at the photo and said "Man that a nice photo, it really shows how to stack the subjects in a photo." Some people see photos like this
118 ScottysAir : Well, Guys! This is it as for right now!! Y'all want need to give him a break as for the real aviation photographers as for himself of Jay P. This is
119 Post contains links and images QANTAS747-438 : Why do so many people doubt these photos??? LA had a really bad forest fire in the Angeles Forest at the 2000 ft level near the 15 freeway. If any of
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