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Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?  
User currently offlineOla From Finland, joined Oct 2001, 84 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

Which one is better? I know Minolta has more tele zoom, but on the other hand I think Sony's objective is better. So...your opinions are important to me.

regards, Olli

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User currently offlineHkg_clk From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

You should note that the Minolta 7Hi, which replaces the 7i, has already been announced.
Hope this helps!



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User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

If this will be your primary camera for aviation photography, I'd go with the 7Hi or another camera with a long zoom.

I personally own the F707 because it's a much more capable camera. I bought it because I do other types of photography besides aviation photography - still lifes, portraits, scenic, travel, landscape... the picture quality on the Sony is probably the best (right now) that you can get from a consumer-market 5mp camera.

But don't take my word for it - you really should go to a camera store and test drive some of the cameras.

Regards
Shawn


User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

I was faced with EXACTLY the same dilemna .... I had the Coolpix 5700, Sony F707 and the Minolta Dimage 7I to choose from .... I've chosen the F707 and will be ordering it for next day delivery October 1st  Smile
EGFF



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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5319 times:

Good choice, EGGF!!

The only minus of the F707 is the lack of teleconverter. I have the B300, which gives me more zoom (up to ~320mm) and a good pic quality. But the B300 stocks are running out.

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineJofa From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 320 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

The manual zoom on the D7 is hard to beat.

User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5318 times:

Im gonna get the B-300 at the end of this month with abit of luck  Smile
EGFF



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User currently offlineRydawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 868 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

So I just returned my Sony F707 today, I had 10 days to try it out. Today I saw the Minolta DiMAGE 7Hi for the first time and I think I want it. Can any DiMAGE users let me know how you like it. Is the zoom really going to make a difference over the Sony? Let me know, should I get my Sony back or go for the Minolta?????

Ryan



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User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

Just get the Sony. The image quality is so much better. I mean c'mon, Sony is the one who's making the digital sensors (CCDs), and they're getting it right. You can always get a B300 teleconverter to step up the F707's zoom to 8.5x.

User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5199 times:

By the way, Sony F 717 is coming out this weekend. I think you should look at that camera too. Check out the full review at www.dpreview.com. I will be getting that one as soon as it comes out, and I am lucky enough to already have a B-300. 323mm Optical zoom will be enough for most aviation photography at my home airport (DEN).

Alex



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User currently offlineRydawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 868 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

Well aware of the 717.....Can anyone though provide me with a little more input on this decision. Telling me to just get the sony doesn't help. What's the real deal? The fact the DiMAGE 7hi has a 128mb buffer before writing the image to memory is amazing. Do you know how many times I have missed a second chance waiting for the Sony to write? Well ok, not that many, as I only had it for a week. But I guess Ill try the Minolta and will have a week to take it back as well.

If someone can offer me though some more, extensive, advice, Im all ears....Ryan



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User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

Actually, the Sony's write time really isn't that bad. Also, I've heard that the F717 has absolutely NO shutter lag, just like a DSLR, which is really nice. The 7Hi has considerable shutter lag, I believe. Also, write time has been improved on the F717, and there is now USB 2.0 support in the camera, so pictures will transfer to the computer faster.

Go for the F717 if you want to, but deep down it's just a quicker F707 with a few bells and whistles - same lens, same sensor... But IMO, I would not buy the 7Hi.

I'll point out a few areas that the Sony F707 outperforms the 7Hi, and the F717 is even better.

1) Sony has a 3 megapixel mode, very nice if you don't need all 5 megapixels (I use it often) 7Hi has only a 5mp, then 2mp mode.

2) Sony macro focus range - 2cm. 7Hi - 13cm. You can get closer with the Sony.

3) Sony has a faster lens - f/2-2.4 - f/8. 7Hi is only f/2.8-3.5 - f/8. What this means is the Sony's aperture can open up wider, letting more light in, which means you can take low light pictures without having a long shutter speed.

4) Sony has Hologram autofocus (laser focusing), so you can get perfectly-focused pictures in pure darkness.

5) Sony has a Nightframing mode, an infrared mode that lets you compose a picture in pure darkness.

6) Sony has a Nightshot mode, which lets you take infrared pictures (in pure darkness)

7) 7Hi movie clips are limited to 60 seconds each.

8) Sony uses a small, "Infolithium" battery. 7Hi uses 4 NiMH AA batteries - pretty inconvenient.

9) 7Hi is bigger, bulkier than the Sony.

I won't be completely biased here, and tell you the 7Hi's stronger points.

1) F707 fastest shutter: 1/1000. 7Hi - 1/2000. But, F717 is also 1/2000.

2) F707 - no histogram. 7Hi - Live histogram. But, F717 has a live histogram. too.

3) F707/F717 zoom range - 38-190mm. 7Hi - 28-200mm. Extra 10mm on each end, not drastic.

4) F707 max ISO - 400. 7Hi - 800. But F717 max ISO - 800 too.

5) F707 doesn't have a hot shoe - 7Hi does. But F717 does too.

So there you have it, both sides of the story. Besides all that, the image quality from the Sonys is said to be the best in its class, and I have to agree.

If you want to do some more comparing here are the links:

Specs page:

F707: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscf707/page2.asp
F717: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscf717/page2.asp
7Hi: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?cameras=minolta_dimage7hi&method=sidebyside

Review by Phil Askey:

F707: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscf707/
F717: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscf717/
7Hi: Review hasn't been written yet.

Be sure to read the reviews. They give a ton of information about each camera, written by a professional, Phil Askey, and he let's you know his opinion of each camera as well.

Whew, that took a long time to type up. If you have any more questions, you can email me at shawnb777@adelphia.net

Cheers
Shawn


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5175 times:

The "Lazerz" on the F707 are really cool  Smokin cool

User currently offlineC72 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

I'm looking into the F717, but can't find the B300 teleconvertor, where can I find it?

Steve


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5157 times:
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try Ebay, search under B-300 or b300. They go for around $200 US.

User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5151 times:

I'm a D7I user since a few weeks now and im very satisfied with it, i have try the collpix 5700 and the F707 before i chose the D7I.

The Main Reason for me to chosse the D7I was the SLR felling i got from i Use Analog Minolta SLR before and so it was not a big step to the D7I.

here is my View of Swans comparison of the D7 and the Sonys

<<(1) Sony has a 3 megapixel mode, very nice if you don't need all 5 <
I always use the full 5mp and dont see a reason to cut back to a lower resolution
(If you have a Good Reason to do so pleaes tell me in always happ to learn new things)

<<<2) Sony macro focus range - 2cm. 7Hi - 13cm. You can get closer with <<
I never get soooo Close to a Aircraft  Wink/being sarcastic


<<<3) Sony has a faster lens - f/2-2.4 - f/8. 7Hi is only f/2.8-3.5 - f/8. What <<
A Plus for the Sony but also never had Problems in lower light conditions so far

<<<4) Sony has Hologram autofocus (laser focusing), so you can get <<
Yes the AF of the Sony in the dark is great

<<<5) Sony has a Nightframing mode, an infrared mode that lets you compose << <<<6) Sony has a Nightshot mode, which lets you take infrared pictures (in <<
I Dont miss it

<<<8) Sony uses a small, "Infolithium" battery. 7Hi uses 4 NiMH AA batteries - <<
But cheap i use 5 Set of 4 NiMH AA batteries (Ansmann 1800) and can took around 60-70 Pictures with each set with my Camera settings enough to bring me over a Sunny Weekend at AMS


<<<9) 7Hi is bigger, bulkier than the Sony.

Yes !!! and its great you have someting in your hand !!

The Manual Zoom of the D7I its Great but has the F717 not also a Manuel zoom now ?? looks like Sony copy a few things of the D7I on the 717

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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

"I always use the full 5mp and dont see a reason to cut back to a lower resolution
(If you have a Good Reason to do so pleaes tell me in always happ to learn new things)"

Ill give you 2 good reasons.

1. It takes up less space and at 2048 pixels its virtually the same.

2. No one needs a 2560 pixel image when your taking a quick photo of your girlfriend or dog.

" never get soooo Close to a Aircraft "

Most people on here use their cameras not solely for aircraft

"A Plus for the Sony but also never had Problems in lower light conditions so far, Yes the AF of the Sony in the dark is great
"

Uhhh huh what about night shots? Nothing beats Sony Lazerz  Smokin cool

"I Dont miss it"

How do you miss something uve never had?

"But cheap i use 5 Set of 4 NiMH AA batteries (Ansmann 1800) and can took around 60-70 Pictures with each set with my Camera settings enough to bring me over a Sunny Weekend at AMS "

Thats pretty crappy. With Sony you get the battery with the camera. A charger runs only $90 and it works with other stuff like videocameras and such. Considering you pay NOTHING extra for the battery and charge cable i dont see how its cheaper. My battery is good on the LCD for 2.5 hrs." 60-70 photos? Uhhhh with the Sony when i go to ORD for 6-8 hours i easily take 300-400 photos using up maybe 45-1hr of my battery time.

"<<<9) 7Hi is bigger, bulkier than the Sony.

Yes !!! and its great you have someting in your hand !! "

Uhhh thats pretty irrelevant. By your thinking a computer from 1969 that took up the whole room is better than the Dell desktop and laptop i have sitting here.

"The Manual Zoom of the D7I its Great but has the F717 not also a Manuel zoom now ?? looks like Sony copy a few things of the D7I on the 717"

Ive never had any problems with autofocus.... and there is a manual focus on the F707.





User currently offlineRydawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 868 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

Argh!

I cannot decide between these two. Two was looking at the Minolta DiMAGE 7Hi with a 2x and 3x teleconverter. I simply cannot tell what to do.

I am thinking of trying the DiMAGE out, but part of me wants to go with the Sony 717 with a 2x teleconverter.

I know sony just came out with their own teleconverter, but what can you guys tell me about the Kenko VC200HI teleconveter????

Help!
Ryan aka Confused in Alaska



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User currently offlineC72 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

I personally will order a F707 within a few weeks. I'm still deciding which 2x converter to get, the B300 on ebay or the Sony converter.

User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

Steve the B-300 and the Sony converter are both 1.7X.

I will be getting the Sony one since i can get it easily here in Chicago.


User currently offlineCopa737 From Panama, joined Jan 2002, 331 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5086 times:

What is the model of the Sony 1.7X teleconverter? I`m planning to get one.

Regards,

Copa737



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User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Copa737,

It's the VCL-HGD1758, link here: http://www.imagestation.com/shop/product/sony/?prodID=10433

Shawn


User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Also, here's a good discussion about the new teleconverter: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=3549265

User currently offlineCopa737 From Panama, joined Jan 2002, 331 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

Shawn,

Thanks a lot!

Regards,

Copa737



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User currently offlineC72 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

Here's a Sony 2x teleconverter:

http://www.sonystyle.com/home/item.jsp?itemid=39121&hierc=9682x7078x9039&catid=

Anyone know if this is good?

Steve


25 C72 : nevermind that teleconverter i posted about its for a camcorder.......sorry!
26 Wirraway : Got my F707 that I bought from a woman in Texas for a good price and it was delivered to me here in Brisbane on the 7th Oct, had never seen one of the
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