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User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 32
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

That's to say, any of you regular contributors got any tips for the relatively inept... like me for example!  Wink/being sarcastic

My biggest problem is grain.... sheesh some of my photos come out looking like a harvest festival there's so much grain there!

For reference, my equipment list goes like this:

Nikon F-401s
AF Nikkor 35-70mm f3.3:4.5 with a skylight filter
Tokina 70-210mm f4.5 with a skylight filter
Centon 500mm Mirror lens f8
Jessops 2x convertor

I used to go to airshows and airports loaded up with cheapo ASA400 film. I've now learned the error of my ways and uses Fuji Sensia 100 for static shots and Sensia 200 for flying shots. Even then I'm pretty disappointed with the work of the Fuji Labs and am looking at using Kodak film or an alternative developer next time.

Ideally I'd like to ditch the film gear and switch to a Digital SLR like the Nikon D100 or the Canon D60.... looking around the patch at the works of Messrs Pedley, Work, Tapperell and Alderton (To name but a few) I am stunned at the clarity of the shots obtained! Seriously guys theses are amazing shots, but hey, you don't need me to tell you that!

So anyway, back to grain. All of my images are now getting scanned from slide to CD by the developing labs, and prior to uploading go through the wash with Adobe photoshop 7 with a few choice plug-ins (Ultra-Sharp is a superb plugin!). Still the dreaded grainy look to the pictures is there.

Any suggestions? I think good light is probably a big issue since I have mananged to get shots off this camera rig which even if I do say so have come of flippin' fantastic (http://www.photosig.com/viewphoto.php?id=304805 for my all time best shot and it's not even an Aeroplane!!! :-( )

Any suggestions would be gratefully appreciated!



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User currently offlineCraigy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Try Provia 100 and Provia 400 to eliminate grain.
Also, does the grainyness increase after sharpening? You may be sharpening too much - difficult to say without seeing examples.

User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 784 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Back in the dark ages (all of 6 months ago) while I was still scanning, grain was not really an issue - even with 400 ASA film. I'm wondering if the problem lies with the labs CD creation process - I have heard quality varies greatly between labs.



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5068 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2495 times:

I had a "lab" make a photo CD from digital shots and they totally screwed it up!!!! i said, NEVER AGAIN.

I discovered a "noise reduction" application that helps tremendously. Its called neat image. go to neatimage.com It should also work to reduce film grain though I have not tried it on that.


Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2475 times:


Thanks for the tip mate, I'll try that next weekend. I'm hoping the weather's gonna be decent at Manchester as me and two mates are planning a photography expedition!


I think you're right there about the questionable scanning at the labs, but then again upon reflection I have to ask myself "What was I expecting?". Let's face it, they have probably got throughput targets they have to meet and so simply cannot afford to dedicate as much time and effort to the scanning process as I might, had I a decent slide scanner.


Thanks very much for the recommendation. I'll give them a try and report back.

Cheers guys!


PS. If I seem a bit familiar with you guys then please understand I've been lurking on this forum reading up on your words of wisdom for a good 6 months now... I almost feel like I know you guys!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2434 times:


I'd like to thank you for the hint mate! Neat Image, even in the demo form looks to be an excellent product!

Now if I can only sort out why my jpg files get corrupted on upload we'll see how the screeners like the new cleaned up images.



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