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To The Screener With No Heart.....  
User currently offlineCathay111 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 57 posts, RR: 13
Posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6522 times:

This has to be one of the most personally offensive rejections I have ever had come my way. I uploaded this shot as it was the last I took on the 13th October before I was called to rush to hospital to witness the birth of our first child. It sat in the HQ queue for 2 days (no prob with that and I sincerely thank those who viewed it as HQ) and is rejected for bad common.

Have a look at these shots added from Sydney over the last 2 weeks or so:-


Now isn't Wunala already common?

I have re-uploaded the shot and I hope someone can find it in their hearts to add the shot. I've given up adding shots of the "Special Three" planes but this one just had far too much meaning to me so I decided to upload it. And the comment clearly noted this. I assure you that there will be no more Special coloured QF aircraft uploaded at this end ever again.

It is disheartening given that in the last week I've seen more Australian "baddoubles" than ever before. I guess I got the wrong end of the stick.

For those with any interest here is the shot in question.


Again, my thanks to those who saw the shot as HQ, I appreciate your letting this one shot past.

Kind Regards,
One upset a.net user

34 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6451 times:

Don't I understand your post, or is there a mistake?

The shot I see there is the F1 Qantas, VH-OJC, and you are talking about Wunala (VH-OJB).

BTW, 'screener with no heart', please. Couldn't you find a better topic? Do you ask from us now that we give you descent advices etc etc about your picture?

Don't forget this: uploading is still for fun. I always try to help someone if he asks how to improve his pictures, but this...


User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

Well Craig, with all respect for you, your wife and your baby and comments aside, it's the image that counts.

Everybody has special moments, we should not mix personal situations with Airliners.net.

that's only my opinion and I also get upset with my rejections

User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6444 times:


Congratulations Craig on your first child. I still have to wait at least 200 years before I am ready to have my first wee-one! Big grin
Or I can allow my damm teenage hormones and testerone levels to conquer me and my horny desires with the wild assortment of 90% hot chicks at my school high. I know I'll be getting good grades soon!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Anyways, that shot is indeed nice. Shame there wasnt any sun that time.
I also get quite a bit of badcommons/baddoubles and sometimes it does get to a point where it starts to piss me off.
Like: if I went down to SYD and hammered a nice shot of F1, or Wunala and to get a reject for that reason, I'd feel bad that I couldnt show MY Pictures of these planes to the audience.

However, Keep it flowin Craig, you still got tons of drool worthy stuff down under which millions of a.net users want to see.

Oh By the way, do you have a name for your newly born daughter?



Follow @kimbo_snaps on Instagram or bokimon- on Flickr to see more pics of me and my travels.
User currently offlineCabbott From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 497 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6425 times:

Craig thats a real nice photo!!

User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6396 times:


To be honest, I think its slightly soft. I hope therefore, before you reupload it, you try to improve it a bit. Please see the following topic:



User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9823 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6374 times:
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kids are rad.

Almost the only time I don't get hassled when snapping planes is when my 4 1/2 year old daughter Chloe is with me.


Still too young to fly, I guess  Smile

User currently offlineCraigy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

'Wunala' is a nice name for a girl. A bit common though...  Smile


Not getting pics accepted here will be the least of your concerns for the next 18 years or so Big grin


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

Craig, congrats on the new kid


User currently offlineScooter From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

Congrats on the new addition to the family!

Regarding the shot - while nicely composed, it's a common aircraft shot under dull conditions. While the timing may be important to you, it isn't to everyone else. Sorry, but that's the way the world turns.

Again, nice shot, but we've seen MUCH better from you. I'd forget it and move on if I were you...

User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6282 times:

'Wunala' is a nice name for a girl. A bit common though...

funny ^

anyway, to the screeners defense i've been given the impression they dont really read through the comments on the pics, so dont take it personally.


User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1760 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6278 times:
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Hi Craig

Congrats for the new kid (to Anna too!)

But these days I think it is a bit weird? to see which shots get accepted or rejected, I have one Wunala shot in your quoted link, to be honest I was quite suprised, because it wasn't that top from my standard but I got on anyway, luckily.

Here I thought my VH-OJC upload 10 days ago that may get on:


But it got rejected same reason as yours, well may be is not fair, but I feel sorry about your rejections. On the other hand, I think you also have quite a fair bit of OJB, OJC in the DB, can I say this if ok with you? I decided I am not going to upload any more those Qantas special plane because it is getting too hard and common topic unless I have a reason to. I have no idea how the other Wunala shots get on, I am a bit surprised that photoid 281508 and 281340 get on, may be they have better scan, to me your shot (OJC but different topic to OJB) are better their wunalas in a indirect comparision. Thats just my standard of judging I don't want to cause any upsets of course.

But I think any creative shots enough will still get on with less pain.

User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

Congratulations on your baby Craig!

Tommy Mogren

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User currently offlineAndyhunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1311 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6195 times:


Congrats on the birth. You're going to have a great time raising a kid, mine is nearly four and the joy he brings to me everyday is immeasurable.

Regarding this thread, in the interests of transparency, let me explain the reasoning behind the rejection.

1) Your photo was initially HQ'd be one of the screeners, but with comments. Something along the lines of "not sure about this, wouldn't this be better as a forum thread to announce a birth" Then after that, it was put on 2nd opinion by a few more screeners asking similars questions, mentioning the fact that "apart from the comment, the shot was nothing special" "it is a badcommon" and the like.

2) As mentioned in this thread, plenty of people get rejections for badcommon. Normally this would happen when you submit a marginal shot, especially if it is a sky shot (i.e. sky for background). The comment is meant to enhance the description of the photo. At a push, it could also be used to announce say, 500th upload of photos, as this is aviation, site or photo related. But to be honest, your photo was judged on the photo, not on the somewhat unrelated comment. We have to be fair and apply the badcommon rule also fairly. And from what I am reading, other forum members also agree with the rejection.

So based on the fact that (1) It was HQ'd with reservations and (2) We judge a photo on its photographic merits, it was rejected.

So I hope that you understand the reason for the rejection. I am sorry that you feel it was "one of the most personally offensive rejections" you have ever had, it was not meant that way. But with what has been said above, I am sure that now you understand why.


Full frame always beats post processing
User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

First of all, congratulations to your daughter, Craig!! You will have many more special times with her, not to forget your first spotting days with her.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

To be honest, the picture itself - without the comment - is somewhat a bodercase. The bad weather and a little bit of "softness" are the first negative points I see. But nevertheless, there are pics recently added with the same grey background and the same softness.

Just a personal opinion: Airliners.net's success is based on the submissions of the different photographers. A little bit of "heart" - as you say - and the upload of this pic into the database wouldn't definitely do any harm to Airliners.net, but give something back to on the top photographers on this website.

Just my 0.02 Swiss Francs

dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
User currently offlineJetTrader From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 586 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6143 times:


Congratulations on the new arrival. As others have said...1. you'll be too busy by far for the next 18 years to worry much about rejections here...and 2. she'll bring you untold joy and happiness - I know my two little angels do  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

So...why not print this shot and frame it, date it and dedicate it to your little girl. You have the shot you promised yourself, your wife and daughter and no angst over what anyone else thinks. That's what I'd do.

I have to agree with others that ultimately it is image quality that counts and not sentiment. Rejections are soon forgotten - you'll remember that day forever!

Best wishes,

Life's dangerous. Get a f**king helmet!
User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 41
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

Congrats to the new baby Craig.

As others stated already, you will be busy with your new "toy" for the next 18 years plus.......

and guess what, even though it would bug me as well (the rejection) there is a life beyond a.net.

Enjoy every precious moment with your new baby.....who needs these flying machines?

Vasco G.

User currently offlineRendezvous From New Zealand, joined May 2001, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6099 times:

We all get shots rejected for badcommon sometimes, you've got nearly every aircraft that has come into Sydney, so I don't think you should complain too much about it.

User currently offlineLjungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 923 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6015 times:

Congrats to the baby, Craig!

...and this means that for the rest of your life you can call yourself a F-A-T-H-E-R...

...I understand your feelings completely, I also shot a plane the day my first child was born, but my photo is very similar to this one, shot by my friend Kjell Nilsson on that particular day, many years ago...

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Kjell nilsson

...so I've decided not to upload my "baddouble..."  Big grin

(BTW, as a parent, it's impossible to understand, just HOW fast the time is running, my little baby-daughter is a teenager nowadays...)


User currently offlineMigman From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 91 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

dont worrie mate
this seams too be a exculsive club anyway to the "regular" posters.

User currently offlineOH-LZA From Finland, joined Jun 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

Congratulations on the baby, Craig!


User currently offlineCraigy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5923 times:


"dont worrie mate
this seams too be a exculsive club anyway to the "regular" posters

Craig has 4939 pics on A.net Big grin


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5902 times:

This is really great to hear as from you got a new baby girl!!  Big thumbs up And that is very nice name of the your daughter as for herself and please regards sent me a pictures as for me with the all of your wife, and baby, too! The a.net want to see it with the pictures as for the baby girl. So anyway, I'd will talk with you soon!!


Scott W.

P.S. Craig, that you are very good best friends with me into the a.net by myself for the long time. Maybe you able can come into USA to see me in Florida of Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood International Airport. So later!!

User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

But it looks like Scotty loves ya Craigo. Damn it Craig - quit cryin' about the rejection and show us that beautiful little conception...


Airplanes are cool - but babys are amazing

Thank heaven for little girls...

You da man Craig - if no one believes it -

Tell 'em to take a look at that new baby

We're sure Mrs Murray agrees....

Hope she looks like momma....

User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2368 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5845 times:

Craig, congrats!!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I got a rejection for VH-OJC for "badcommon" too...

Je89  Smile

25 Airsnaps : Hi Craig! Many congratulations on the new-born! Look forward to seeing the family one day! Don't worry - you're not alone! We're all being treated the
26 ScottysAir : Hey Planeboy, I'm glad nice to hear as from you by the long time as for me by a.net. So that we're were doing everything is good as for myself now. An
27 Post contains images Cathay111 : Meet Charlotte Grace Murray. Born Sunday 13th October 2002 and weighing in at 9lb 5oz (she wasn't small!). Mum and Charlie are in good health.
28 Post contains images Skymonster : "badpeople" But otherwise, absolutely excellent. Congratulations Andy
29 Post contains images ScottysAir : Yo Craig, This is great pictures with the your baby Charlotte Grace Murray. Whoa! This is nice with 9lbs as for herself. I'm very glad to see with the
30 Post contains images 747Forever : Hey Craig, Congratulations!!!! Just think of all those sleepless nights you've got coming lol! Keep up the great work mate Jeff.
31 Post contains images Carlos Borda : Congrats on the new baby girl Craig! Got a 5 year old son myself and still seems like yesterday when he was born. Time goes by pretty fast once you ha
32 Tappan : CONGRATS.... When are you gonna get the kid a 747 tatood on the butt??? Mark G
33 Planeboy : Craig, She's a beauty. She's gonna grow up fast. The first year or so will be slow - kinda crawl. Then, she'll start walkin' and talkin' and she'll ne
34 Post contains images ExitRow : Congrats on making a baby! I am still practicing.
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