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User currently offlineAdministrator From Sweden, joined May 1999, 3251 posts.
Posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3522 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
SITE ADMIN

Hello,

I just wanted to let you know that the upload page has been updated with new aircraft pulldown menus. This is a step in our eternal quest to make you people fill in the correct and standardized names of aircraft.  

You'll notice a lot of new versions as well as a new "Generic" field that is currently used in the photo index but have many other future applications. Please read the Help link you'll find beside the pulldown menus, it might look complicated at first but it's really not.

Peter Vercruijsse is the man behind the new extensive aircraft information. Should you find errors or missing entries, contact him at peter@airliners.net. Problems with the pulldown menus and how they function should be reported to me. I know you guys would have appreciated if the menus were not reset after every upload but unfortunately it proved impossible to implement. So for now, both the country-location menus and the aircraft manufacturer-generic-version menus reset and you'll have to re-select them on every upload. I know it can be a pain and I'm looking for other solutions for the future.

Things should work well for Internet Explorer 4 and Netscape 4 (or higher) users, except for the new Netscape 6.

Let me know if something is unclear or doesn't work as anticipated so that I can update the help links, alert windows and/or code.

Thanks,
Johan


Working on the site from morning 'till night that's livin' alright (1997-2007)
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User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

very good! thanks, and thanks for re-uploading my two moon shots without the blue dots (which was my fault in the first place)
Mark


User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Maybe I'm wrong but now we must know all the codes that Boeing gives to customers?

I want to upload a Kuwait Airlines 747-400 but on the version menu there are dozens of versions for each airline. I don't know the Kuwait code so it's more time consuming now trying to discover if it is a 747-406 or 419 or whatever. Can't we just leave it as a 747-400?

Luis, Faro, Portugal


User currently offlineUSAir_757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 996 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

Yes, regardless of whether we are wanted to fill in the exact type, there needs to be the generic version(eg 737-300) in the version field. I for one don't know how to figure out exact versions at all.


C. Wassell



-Cullen Wassell @ MLI | Pentax K5 + DA18-55WR + Sigma 70-300 DL Macro Super
User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

It is still possible to just choose the generic "737-300"
in the type field.
/JM



AeroPresentation - Airline DVD's filmed in High Definition
User currently offlineSouthflite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Hi All

If you don't know the exact type, or don't have the resources to confirm it, just do as the Help says:

When you are not sure about a generic type or version, choose in the pulldown menu the entry with the dots. An example : Ilyushin Il-62 is a designation used as a generic type for all versions of the Il-62, but the first version built is also designated just Il-62, without suffix. To make a clear distinction between these, when you don't know the version, choose "Il-62...", when you know it is the first version without suffix, choose "Il-62". Please adhere to this to make the supplied information reliable

So, for the Boeing 747-400 problem that was mentioned earlier, the correct Version to choose would be "747-4.."

Try to make sure you get the Generic Type correct - that's the important one for classification purposes.

Thanks,
Andrew (Southflite)
Corrections Editor



User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Well some hours ago when I post this 747-400 question, I was still under the effect of a hangover   damn Friday night beers.
Now I realise I can choose in the version menu "other" and then write 747-400.
Thanks.

Luis


User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

In case of a boeing you can choose the generic 737-300
since there is no version actually called that. No customer has the code 00.
In the case of a DC-6, DC-7, IL-62, TU-134 or TU-154
among others, you should go for the alternative with the dots .. to distinguish it from the first version of the type.

/JM



AeroPresentation - Airline DVD's filmed in High Definition
User currently offlineAdministrator From Sweden, joined May 1999, 3251 posts.
Reply 8, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3027 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
SITE ADMIN

Thanks for your comments. We've updated the help text to better describe how to use the Generic and Version fields. Here it it:


Aircraft Type :

For the aircraft that is the focus of your photograph, choose the Aircraft Manufacturer, Generic Type, and Version from these three dropdown menus.\nThe menus are connected (sequentially-dependent), so you must first choose the Aircraft Manufacturer from the first menu; this then allows you to choose the Generic Type from the second menu, which in turn allows you to proceed to choose the Version from the third menu.

When the manufacturer is not listed in the dropdown menu, choose \"Other\" and type the manufacturer in the Non-listed manufacturer field, the generic aircraft type in the Non-listed generic type field, and the version in the Non-listed version field.

When the manufacturer is listed, but you cannot find the generic aircraft type in its dropdown menu : choose \"Other\" and fill in the generic aircraft type in the Non-listed generic type field, and the version in the Non-listed version field.

When the manufacturer and generic type are listed, but you cannot find the version in its dropdown menu : choose \"Other\" and type the version in the Non-listed version field.

When you have chosen \"Other\" in one of the dropdown menus, and you have clicked (after filling in the other fields) on the \"Submit info and upload the photo\" button to arrive at the second upload page, check very carefully if the aircraft type appears correctly. When not, adjust the entry there.

If there is more than one aircraft in the photo, list the data for the aircraft you wish to be the focus of the photo. Only list one aircraft! Other aircraft should be mentioned in the Remark field.

In the Photo Index search pages the aircraft will be listed by their generic type. By choosing the V for version there, the aircraft will be listed by versions within the generic type.

When you are not sure about a generic type or version, choose in the dropdown menu the entry with the dots. An example : Ilyushin Il-62 is a designation used as a generic type for all versions of the Il-62, but the first version built is also designated just Il-62, without suffix. To make a clear distinction between the generic type and the version, when you don't know the version, choose \"Il-62...\", when you know it is the first version without suffix, choose \"Il-62\". Please adhere to this to make the supplied information reliable.

The aircraft types have to be filled in twice, as generic (or basic) type, and as version. The aircraft type as generic type is the entry that will appear in the Photo Index (e.g. Boeing 747-400), the aircraft type as version is the entry that will appear in the caption of your photo, and will also appear when you select the V = version in the Photo Index (e.g. Boeing 747-436). In the Photo Index search pages you can select to see the photos of all Boeing 747-400s together by the push of one button. When you want to see them by version, you select the V, and they will appear split by version. When you don't know the version, use three dots in the version designation (e.g. Boeing 747-4... ).

NOTE : Not all aircraft types have yet been overhauled, so for several entries the generic type is still the same as the version for the time being. You can amend this where necessary.


Please let me know if there's anything we can further improve.

Thanks,
Johan



Working on the site from morning 'till night that's livin' alright (1997-2007)
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3001 times:

Johan,

I'm sorry to piss in your swimming pool, but I find this revised version to be less user friendly than the previous version.

I have 148 pictures that I have compiled and prepared to upload. Now that all the aircraft type and location info is completely erased, I find it a frustratingly lengthy process. In fact, I just gave up after 7 pics.

Please, please, please, either sort out the cached info problem, or work towards a batch process where we can work off-line (as it is, I fill out all the info I'm going to input on Excel, and copy/paste into the submission form).

Charles


User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3003 times:

heehee... umm, can i make a humble and trivial request? okay, not a big deal, but since we are talking about the upload page...

Okay, where you select the country, (if USA, then -state) then a few select airports will appear for that selected state in the next pull down menu... still with me? Okay, well, since i live here in indiana, alot of my pics are from Fort Wayne International, my home airport. But FWA isnt in the pull down menu for indiana, even though its the 2nd biggest airport....

I know its a small airport, but, well, it would be a great luxury, and i would be thoughrohly greatful and honored to have FWA listed in the pull-down menu for Indiana, it saves me the trouble of typing it in each time...

Once again, i dont comprehend the work load you have, and its only a few extra seconds that it saves, but that would just kick ass for me.

And the rest of you... try not to laugh at me for my meager request  


CHRIS


User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2989 times:

Chris,

What I do when uploading pictures (all from the same airport) is type the country into the "other" feild (for example I type "USA - California"), then in the location feild, i type "Los Angeles International (LAX)" or whatever airport.

It's a time saver, because you'll be skipping those 2 feilds while uploading.



User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

Hey Chris,

I have a very simple solution for your problem......

MOVE to a bigger airport .............  




User currently offlineSia jubilee From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Hi Johan and all readers,

What do you think if the administrator bring us more convenience when uploading?
I still remember we have no need to remind to fill in again for the date of the photo taken and the place (Country and airport). But now, everytime I complete a upload. The field will blank. Nothing there.  
I need to input the data again. 
Hopeul can fix this problem.

Regards,
Alan


User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

I get that as well...My only suggestion is to try what I posted above...



User currently offlinePropfreak From Switzerland, joined Mar 2000, 157 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

hi everyone
ever been annoyed when you first have to scroll twice till you get to the airport you need ? happens to me quite a lot as Zurich starts with a "Z" and is obviously at the end of the list. Chrisair's idea is interesting though. I'd have another idea. How about having the major airports on top of the list? as we are talking about user-friendlyness I thought this would be a nice thing...


User currently offlineUSAir_757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 996 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

I prefer the old upload page to the new one far more.

If people have the time and resources to find out a plane's exact version, thats great and they can use the write-in field.

Not all of us have that time and I much more prefer seeing "737-300" by a photo than an ugly "737-3...". The number of dots isn't even correct. I'd either prefer to see the old upload form put back into service or the new one changed again with the generic version in the version field being the standardized generic version(eg. 737-300) instead of "737-3...". This is and has been the standard in everything. Go to flightsim.com, you won't see, for example, "737-3..." on an aircraft when they don't know the eact version of the aircraft.

Just my $0.02.


C. Wassell



-Cullen Wassell @ MLI | Pentax K5 + DA18-55WR + Sigma 70-300 DL Macro Super
User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 742 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

As someone who spends much of his working life with databases, I can see the point of the revised input form. Standardising data is vital! However, I do think the current online form has been taken as far as it can go (possibly further). While in principle its OK, in practice it can be frustrating to use, esp. with multiple uploads - what particularly irks me is the inconsistency in fields which must be re-typed each time, and those that have the values cached. This leads to mistakes, which leads to going back and filling in some (but not necessarily all) fields again. Why for example is the Reg. retained on the form (which is likely to be changed with each upload), but the country not?

I think, difficulties aside, we should be looking at either an offline tool OR tailorable forms. While I don't agree with the suggestion of putting "major" airports at the top of the list, would it not be possible to either suggest sensible defaults based on the user name, or allow the uploader to preconfigure some default values at the start of an upload session?

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineTomH From United States of America, joined May 1999, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

So Chris, did they ever get around to paving those runways? Just kidding-I had the same trouble with a number of the airports I shoot at, they weren't in the database. But over time the admin has managed to identify most of them, so now I can use the pulldown. I don't know if they were added because I kept sending in photos from somewhat obscure airports, or if there was a systematic upgrade.

I understand the request to put the major airports at the top of the pulldown, but how do you then display the others? By rate of photo submission from a given airport? By airline traffic count? Alphabetically? And who will decide where the line between major/lesser is located?

TomH


User currently offlineSunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 782 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Just a little technical note to make your life easier when using the pulldown menus. On IE and probably Netscape once you select the option menu you can type the first letter of the item you want. The list will automatically scroll to the first entry that begins with the letter you typed.

Typing another letter will take you to the next entry that begins with that letter. This is useful when items are not in alphabetical order... for example, where some of the menus have "other" listed at the end.

That should save you guys in Zurich a lot of scrolling  

Sunil


User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

Tom H >> Nope, still grass runways  

Vasco >> i wouldnt mind moving to a decent size airport... But what challenge is it taking pictures at a huge beautiful airport like BOS? See, im taking some po-dunk airport surrounded by cornfields and making a name for it!! now thats a challenge!   anyone can get good shots at BOS!!   J/K (gotta defend myself somehow)

its just odd that for indiana, there are 3 airports listed, Indianapolis (IND, obviously) and then Lafayette, and Terra haute (LAF, HUF) Most of you prolly havent ever heard of those!! and there arent any pics from there either!

Nah, i really dont care too much, just killing time.


CHRIS


User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Just hit "Z" when you have that line highlighted. It's faster than scrolling, I do it all the time.



User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

I am working on an offline upload tool. I don't really know when it will be done though.

Also, the type-letter-to-scroll trick only works with Windows. Macintosh users get a real menu that you can only scroll through.


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 742 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Just a thought - on my own Access pic database, I have built up a table of aircraft details from downloaded registration files. All I need to do for a new image is type in the reg, and the rest of the aircraft details are filled in for me. Could something like this be used on A.net?

Instead of filling in aircraft details and THEN the reg, could we enter the reg first, and if the aircraft is in the database, other details would be filled in automatically.

Yes, this would initially involve quite a bit of work to set up ... but the data for many countries/types is readily available. On the plus side it would a) save uploaders time b) help ensure aircraft data was accurate and standardised c) provide additional info for all entries (eg. c/n, owners).

What I don't know is how much time the administrators currently spend correcting/standardising uploads - would my suggestion offer them any significant time saving?

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineTomH From United States of America, joined May 1999, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

Chris,
You do have worthwhile subjects out thataway!
TomH


25 Chris28_17 : Wow Tom!! how did you get that? thats great!! i get to watch those guys fly around just about everyday at work... Recently with the snow on the runway
26 Southflite : Ckw wrote: ------------------------------- Just a thought - on my own Access pic database, I have built up a table of aircraft details from downloaded
27 Invader : Chris28_17 wrote : -------------------------- I know its a small airport, but, well, it would be a great luxury, and i would be thoughrohly greatful a
28 Chris28_17 : very cool, thank you!
29 TomH : Chris, You are right, the site's admin guys can be quite responsive. I honestly don't know how they find the time for all this, and I respect their ef
30 Post contains images Sia jubilee : From tonight, the "country" field is now Kept for multiple uploading. So Happy! Thanks to the administrator.
31 Administrator : Yep, working on making the other fields remain selected as well... Cheers, Johan
32 Administrator : Ok guys, It was quite a tricky business but I think I've managed to get all the dropdown menus on the upload page to stay selected when pressing the b
33 Post contains images Christianbothe : The "check your photo stats" on the Add Photos page is not working. It shows something like the content of the selector for the aircraft types. So sad
34 Ckw : The revised upload page is great - I uploaded some pics this morning in about half the usual time. Thanks for listening and taking action. Cheers, Col
35 Cfalk : Johan, You hit it on the head with the latest update - excellent job. And it's pretty reliable, too. I just uploaded 134 pics today, and it only locke
36 Post contains images Sia jubilee : Hi Johan, Here is Alan Tsui from Hong Kong. First, I would like to say thanks again for the amendment for the pulldown munu. It is more convenient now
37 Hawaiian717 : Alan, There are a lot of factors that can affect how fast a connection you will get. The sheer distance between you in Singapore and Airliners.net it
38 Sia jubilee : Yes Hawaiian717, I agree with you. Alan
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