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User currently offlineTimdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4433 times:
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For a while now I've been thinking about getting a 50mm prime for my EOS33.
I currently own the Canon 28-105, and next year this will be upgraded to the 28-70L. I'm a slidetrader so quality at 50mm is very important to me.

The Canon 50mm f1.8 is very cheap, and I'm sure it would offer better image quality than my current 28-105 at 50mm.....
But will it also outperform the 28-70L at 50mm? (or should I buy the more expensive 50mmf1.4 for that?)
If it doesn't offer better image quality than the 28-70L I'm not gonna spend the money now(although not that much), and will rather use it to buy the 28-70L sooner, and will then later buy the 50mm f1.4 to complement it.


Thanks for any help.
Tim


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User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

Tim, I asked a similar question earlier. Sometimes when you are shooting, you might need 60mm, and without those few mm you might get bummed out. And with todays quality standards, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 50mm shot with a 50mm lense and a 50mm shot with a 28-70mm lense.

Joe's the guys to listen to.

Just my 2 cents.

-Dmitry


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

Tim I have the 28-70L and the 50mm 1.4 -I use the 50mm very very infrequently, if i had to do it over again i wouldnt have bought it- its the best value for your money given its F1.4 diameter but if you dont use it much, its value is diminished greatly. Shooting ramp with it is very restricting unless you have a TMA Cargo A310 just sitting there and you have all the time in the world to crush it- but still, the 28-70 will take care of that job. I'm probably gonna put my 50mm on ebay- I dont even keep it in my camera bag anymore

see you later this week
Joe


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 768 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

The 50mm 1.8 is superb quality, sharp as a tack edge to edge. According to some it is actually sharper than the 1.4, though the 1.4 has better build quality and possibly slightly better contrast. At its price the 1.8 has to be a real bargain. The 28-70mm is a fine lens, but I've yet to come across a zoom that can match a prime in absolute quality terms - you should also consider that the 50mm 1.8 is a very compact light weight lens, and with the extra bit of speed over the zoom would be ideal for poor light conditions.

All in all at the price I think its a nobrainer - even if not frequently used, its a handy assett to have in the bag for the occasions when nothing else will do.

Cheers.

Colin



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User currently offlineTimdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4233 times:
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Thank D,
Joe, with you being the 50mm expert your advice is golden. If you're not even using it that much I certainly wouldn't use it a lot either.
Especially with the 28-70 next year it indeed seems a bit like a waste, although I would get superior quality to my 28-105 for a while, probably not worth it spending the cash now. I'll be patient and save up my money for the zoom.

Weather for FRA doesn't look good so better leave the 60 at home.
-Tim



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User currently offlineTimdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4231 times:
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Colin, your agruments are exactly why I'm still debating it.....

Tough decision to make despite the low price.

Tim



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User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

Personally I feel the prime being better than zoom aspect really not worth it in real life situtations. I doubt you could pickup two slides, one taken with a 28-70/f2.8L and another with the 50/1.4 or 1.8 and tell the difference. Sure, in a lab with a 1,000 x mag maybe. But even with the best available consumer loupes out there it'd be very very difficult. Save the $$ on the 50 and but some Kodachrome.

Michael


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Tim,
i was packing your and K's toys (not that type relax you guys out there) and you can forget the D60 on this trip, i hope i can fit Konstantin's gemini jet at this point its so damn tight.

another thing about the 50mm- on a dslr it becomes even more usless for me- its an 80mm- who the hell needs an 80mm for airliner shots. Tim if you end up wanting the 50 1.4 i'll sell you mine, i really have such little use for it- would be nice if it was a 20mm F1.4 then you can atleast do cockpit shots with it, but at 50mm you cant even do that. Nice lens, great value- but for the most part- useless i've learned (im sure others may find alot of uses for it, personally i dont). You want a sweetheart lens? 15mm F2.8 -i got that badboy a few mos. ago- you can do some wild and wacky s...t with that thing, even with a dslr on her.

Joe


User currently offlineTimdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4212 times:
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Ok with Mike also not a fan of the 50mm primes......chances of me buying the 50 are decreasing. Can buy 15 rolls of K64 for the price of the 50.
Joe, would love to compare 2 slides at FRA, two similar type shots of yours, one taken with 50 1.4 and one with 28-70 (if you still remember what you used). If I don't see any difference.....forget it.
I think I checked out the 15mm at AMS last summer, when we were inside the An-124 right?

Tim



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User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Joe, if used as that kind of toy... that would hardly fit  Wink/being sarcastic

j/k

Wietse



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User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

Tim,
i havent used the 50mm in a long time so I do not have a valid comparison and given that i'm leaving in 2 days there won't be any, but next time i'm out working i'll bring the 50mm and shoot an airplane at 50mm with the prime and zoom.
Yes, my 15mm is a real whore- you and the stinky Polet Air AN124, Konstantin in corfu- that 15mm is popular with the guys  Love -unfortunately for my nikon friends, they are shut out of her. Told them to buy Canon!  Big grin

Joe


User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

We Nikon guys don't do sloppy seconds  Big grin bwhahahahaha

Mike


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

you're in the cockpit of an AN124 that smells like a mens locker room vodka body odor and curry at the same time, its either sloppy seconds or nothing at all. Who wants to be holding the Nikon and not get the super wide angle shot at all?

hmmmm

Joe



User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

You're saying Canon guys don't come prepared? Nikon guys would have all the equipment they need for the job.  Big grin  Smile

Mike



User currently offlineTimdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4187 times:
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I was carrying my Nikon equipment, but the pilot wouldn't allow those ugly Nikon's in his aircraft, so sloppy Canons it was Smile

Tim



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User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

what a bunch of shale- none of the nikon guys i know have anything under a 28mm

Does nikon offer a quality 15mm F2.8 lens or anything close to it for little over 600 bucks?

 Big grin

Joe


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

bwaaaaaaaaahahaha good one Tim.

User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

That's because the Nikon guys know how to shoot a 50mm properly, not with a 15mm bwhahahahahahaha you Canon guys are always lost  Smile

AF Fisheye Nikkor 16mm f/2.8D Autofocus Lens - $764.95/599.95
Super Wide Angle AF Nikkor 14mm f2.8D ED Autofocus - $1424.95/1249.95
Super Wide Angle AF Nikkor 18mm f/2.8D Autofocus Lens - $1324.95/899.95
Super Wide Angle AF Nikkor 20mm f/2.8D Autofocus Lens - $489.95/409.95

Think that works....

Michael


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

its funny how canon always edges out nikon- canon d60 1.6x multiplier- d100, 1.5x

canon 15mm f2.8 nikon is 16mm (at this range every mm is critical).

ok enough of this, im getting tired of it and as usual this will go nowhere

 Big grin

Joe


User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

I was carrying my Nikon equipment, but the pilot wouldn't allow those ugly Nikon's in his aircraft, so sloppy Canons it was

Like a pilot of an AN-124 would know any better? He's just used to poorly built machines so that's why he allowed the Cannon and not the Nikon  Big grin now joe, that's a good one  Big grin

Mike


User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

and canon-plastic and nikon-metal...you're right  Big grin going nowhere

Mike


User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

its funny how canon always edges out nikon- canon d60 1.6x multiplier- d100, 1.5x

Actually, true photographers dislike the magnification digitals give, that's why they are all screaming for full-frame sensors......so 1.6x is actually worse then 1.5x...hmmmm so much for that edge  Big grin


User currently offlineTimdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4170 times:
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Mike can I get a copy of that book you have: "How to bash Canon"? Big grin
I'm now getting together the appropriate info on my own Nikonbashing book Smile

But you're right, going nowhere. off to bed now...
Tim



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User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Tim, send $19.95 to:

Joe Pries Enterprises
1000 Plastic Way Suite D-30
Cheap Body, NY 10060

 Smile

Have a good night.... gets us no where but it's fun  Big grin

Michael


User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

Haha, that's a good one!  Big thumbs up

This is when it's good to have a Minolta, you can openly admit it without getting all the flak!

Staffan


25 Post contains images AKE0404AR : Michael and Joe, you guys crack me up Right on, let's continue the CN debate. Michael I am with you! Vasco
26 Hisham : BTW, Canon just introduced a 24-70L to replace the 28-70L. It makes better sense if you go digital in the future. Hisham.
27 Post contains images Joe pries : Hisham, Canon makes better sense. period. nikon makes a great scanner though- i got the coolscan4000 and have no complaints. See, im not into just can
28 Post contains images AKE0404AR : Joe wrote: Ask Mogren, ask Colin, Konstantin, Degroot, Sheldon, Murray, they'll tell you what's right ---------------------------- Ask Borda, ask McLa
29 Post contains images Carlos Borda : V man- Pay no attention to Crooked-Eye-In-Flight Joe. The guy sounds like he's a bright know it all on here, but he's the very same guy who uploads sh
30 Post contains images AKE0404AR : Carlos, never paid attention to Crooked-Eye-In-Flight Joe anyway, but damn this is bulletproof evidence you have there! Btw...Chris Sheldon acc. to hi
31 Carlos Borda : NASA also uses Nikon... I guess they don't know what's good for them! ~Carlos
32 Post contains images Jwenting : Joe, you must get to know me. I have a 19-35 Not a prime I admit, but it gets the job done Tim, the main advantage of fast primes over quality zooms i
33 Post contains images Wietse : Ask Mogren, ask Colin, Konstantin, Degroot, Sheldon, Murray, they'll tell you what's right Add me to that list: All canon slr +lenses, and a Nikon Sca
34 Post contains images Timdegroot : Carlos don't be a baby and show us the uncropped version where you're holding a gun to his head Tim
35 Post contains images Joe pries : Carlos fails to mention the following: mclaughlin, pashnin and i were at floyd bennet field after shooting approach shots at jfk (which i only brought
36 AKE0404AR : Joe, it is ok to admit that you like to shoot with Nikon gear! Vasco
37 Joe pries : the only thing i admit is that pressing the trigger on the fart 5 feels like driving a 76 dart 6 cylinder. Pressing the trigger on the eos 1v is like
38 Post contains images Mikephotos : Remember what I said above, Canon guys are never prepared for the job. Joe having to use a superior Nikon F5 just goes to prove that. You would never
39 Joe pries : Jan, you hear what Mike just said? attack!!!! Joe
40 Post contains images Ljungdahl : Guys, you're sooooooooo entertaining with this "battle", please just go on and on and on... ...Johan...
41 Post contains images Carlos Borda : Your fantastic plastic POS1v is a kids toy! Kids play with plastic... men play with metal. You gotta admit that you felt like a REAL man holding that
42 Post contains images Carlos Borda : T- All you gotta do these days is just dangle food in front of Joe heads to get it done.... I also gotta say this too about that Joe Nikon F5 shot....
43 Post contains images Joe pries : you asked for it Johan........ Hey carlos and mike, here's a nice photo taken with a nikok
44 Post contains images Jan Mogren : M, I enjoy the smooth feeling of a Canon in my hands. If I was looking for something even more sturdy/heavy/rigid then I wouldn't have to go further t
45 Post contains images Joe pries : Jan, the nikok boys are right- at 10fps and 45 point af, the 1V is a toy- you colin, myself- we're a bunch of dummies for using it. we have alot to le
46 Jan Mogren : Yeah.. right.. /JM
47 Post contains images Mikephotos : 45 point AF....you screwed up by mentioning that one. That IS a toy. By the time you scroll thru 45 points to select which point you want to use you'l
48 Post contains images Mikephotos : Oh, and Joe...let's be honest here and show the real picture okay Michael
49 Post contains images Rindt : Thatta boy Joe... always knew there was a real man inside there somewhere once you put away your pansy-ass baby toys by the name of "Canon" Besides, w
50 Post contains images Joe pries : i always wonder how the hell i get involved in these crazy "wars" Joe
51 AKE0404AR : You guys crack me up! Absolutely hilrarious! Vasco
52 Fly-K : Damn, I wish I hadn't been away last week, missing all this fun here... Just wanted to mention that there were three serious photogs here at FRA this
53 Post contains images Wietse : K, Tim, Peter and you right? must have been quite a sight Wietse
54 Post contains images Fly-K : That's correct, Wietse. I thought too we were pretty hot-looking K.
55 Post contains images AKE0404AR : Too bad that there are no hot chicks hanging out at FRA But self confidence is a good thing!
56 Post contains images Fly-K : V, there aren't? That's why I need 400mm to increase my "range"
57 AKE0404AR : Well, depends on what you consider as hot! I have seen some but they don't hang out at the threshold of 25R/L. V.
58 Yevgeny : Hi guys At November a new Canon come to the market Canon EOS-1Ds 11.1milion megapixel with full frame sensor(35mm)with metal body Mike!!! are you list
59 Post contains images Jan Mogren : Eleven million megapixel, that's pretty much! Better get some more CF 's ! /JM
60 Post contains images Mikephotos : Hi guys At November a new Canon come to the market Canon EOS-1Ds 11.1milion megapixel with full frame sensor(35mm)with metal body Mike!!! are you list
61 Joe pries : the only reason im dumping my 15mm which i absolutely love is because i was contracted for a job tonight at jfk and i am limited to my 15mm and 28-70m
62 Post contains images Mikephotos : Canon guys are always talking about limitations with their gear..it's sad Hey, I thought 16mm was no good and you needed 15mm...you said Canon had the
63 OH-LZA : Hi Joe, What made you decide to buy a Canon in the first place? Alex
64 Joe pries : Alex, first it was the EOS A2 because it had 5 fps and was reasonably priced. As my slide shooting got more serious, I wanted a faster frames per seco
65 Ckw : Interesting point Joe - I too went for Canon EOS because of a technological advantage - in my case IS lenses. Whatever their relative merits - and jok
66 Post contains images Mikephotos : Canon ground breaking? Minolta came out with the first AF SLR. Nikon came out with the first 35mm VR (IS) Oh yeah, you are right, Canon did master the
67 Post contains images Ckw : Never said Canon were the only innovators ... they just do it with alarming regularity! As for the others - well it seems that their attempts to do so
68 Joe pries : Colin, run this by me again- Nikon only offers one IS lens? can that be possible? surely it cannot. Please confirm. Cheers Joe
69 Mikephotos : VR/IS is really not what it lives up to be. In the Pro scene, it's more of a toy than a real tool. Yes, Nikon only has one VR lens at the moment. Thei
70 Post contains images Joe pries : So it IS true that Nikon only offers ONE is lens?? thats' truly frightening. Everyone who uses IS swears by it- what are nikon owners saying about the
71 Post contains images Mikephotos : Yep! One VR lens only. It's all that's needed. Nikon's top glass and top shooters don't use toys or plastic things...that's a Canon user for you. Niko
72 Post contains images Jan Mogren : Don't have me reiterate the stuff about you clumsy nikok users.. /JM
73 Post contains images Mikephotos : Don't have me reiterate the stuff about you clumsy nikok users.. Just don't reiterate it directly into the sun or you'll lock up just like the D60. He
74 Post contains images PUnmuth@VIE : I think they (Nikon) have a second one in the Q. As far as i can remember its a 80-200 (or was it 300) 2.8 lense with the VR. Although we dont reely n
75 Post contains images Joe pries : typical- nikok releases the same thing sometime in the future that canon does years before. nikok mgt should hang their heads in shame, they are nothi
76 Mikephotos : ah, Joe....Nikon was the first to introduce VR (IS) in 35mm, Canon came later so again, Canon user is wrong..... Can you believe all these topics abou
77 Post contains images Timdegroot : Well so far it's the D60 users who put out some of the best shots on this site, remember that 737 of Jan Mogren....stunning...... The "Nikonians" are
78 Joe pries : "ah, Joe....Nikon was the first to introduce VR (IS) in 35mm, Canon came later so again, Canon user is wrong....." Mike, you're a smart guy- read what
79 Joe pries : Tim, you are wrong- Mogren, Sheldon, Work- they're a bunch of beginners- they bought canon because they are just learning how to take pictures. One da
80 Joe pries : The below was taken from the DPreview.com website. I hope i'm not doing anything illegal copy/pasting it here, if I am, I will ask the moderator to de
81 Post contains images Mikephotos : Not a mistake Joe, Nikon supplies pro-quality products to pros like NASA, Nat'l Geo., White House Press Assoc and the likes. These guys and girls don'
82 Mikephotos : Canon SLR Talk Forum Welcome to the Canon SLR Talk forum, there are 297,508 messages in 31,827 threads. To create a new message thread in this forum s
83 Post contains images Mikephotos : Can't believe we've been keeping this going... My fingers are getting tired. Michael
84 Post contains images Timdegroot : " lets add up the number of Nikon pro-body users and Canon pro-body users on a.net and I'll be you Nikon comes out ahead just like we always do. (D60
85 Post contains images Wietse : Put an L lens (with IS preferably ) on an eos 300 and you'll still get great shots! Did I hear my name somewhere? PS, guys this is great! Go on. Maybe
86 AKE0404AR : Gotta love it, Joe and Michael are keeping this alive! Well done guys. Anything up your sleeves.....you guys are always good for a laugh or two. Where
87 Post contains images Rindt : That's the point Canon users seem to forget... us Nikon users know how to shoot in the first place, so we don't need all the fancy schmancy shit on th
88 PPGMD : Speaking of IS, I was sitting next to a pro-shooter at the last airshow that I was at, now he shoot Canon, but he didn't have IS, his Wimberly head ke
89 Post contains images Ckw : My understanding was that the reason Nikon got such huge pro take up in the first place was simply that they GAVE cameras away to key media groups ...
90 Joe pries : Colin, you nailed it man
91 Post contains images Carlos Borda : I'm here V! Actually just got back late last night from a long weekend trip to Washington DC. Not an airliner photo trip... just a good ol' fashion si
92 Carlos Borda : Hey T- I assume your talking about the famous HBO mini-series "Band of Brothers". I must have see it three times over already! Just phenomenal acting,
93 Post contains images Joe pries : hey Cairless, dont ever confuse my sometimes lack of knowledge with my PC with my knowledge of cameras and proper shooting. Stick with you nikok F76,
94 Joe pries : Cairless dont do a mike and change the subject, stick to the beating you're getting over using nikok outdated F47 junk, not the movies- this isnt movi
95 Post contains images Carlos Borda : Ironically.... Canola guys remind me of guys with "small man syndrome".... always feel like they have to prove how big they are when in reality they a
96 Joe pries : this is precisely the problem with you clowns- all you talk is fluff and more fluff- nothing definitive, nothing substantial, just a bunch of baseless
97 Clickhappy : penis Nikon envy is huge.
98 Post contains images Timdegroot : >>I'm the first few minutes of Band of Brothers now, but this is enteraining also
99 Post contains images Wietse : About the plastic part... The top end cameras by Canon are actually completely metal, with a plastic coating to protect the camera. What would you rat
100 Post contains images Wietse : And what would the 100th reply be more suitable for than to say: IS THE BEST
101 Post contains images Jwenting : Maybe it is time to suggest this thread for deletion as being flamebait, irrelevant and factually wrong too (Canon superior, don't make me laugh ) .
102 Post contains images Jan Mogren : Tough to realize you got the shitty end of the stick there jw? /JM
103 Post contains images AKE0404AR : No doubt, yellow and black looks much better than, white and red! VR btw stands for Vibration reduction!
104 Post contains images Wietse : Ah, thanks Vasco. guess that makes sense too.... but then who needs correct names, it should work, shouldnt it? Nah I dont like black and yellow.... M
105 Post contains images Jwenting : no stick Jan. I don't need one to support me with my gear. Wietse, if Canon is like football to you I can see why you're loosing out
106 Post contains images Wietse : Ajax|RED-WHITE|high on rankings... Roda JC|YELLOW-BLACK|pretty damn low... that should say enough
107 Post contains images AKE0404AR : Ajax sounds like a detergent to me V.
108 Wietse : Vasco... it deterges nasty things.. like, for instance Nikon... Wietse
109 Post contains images Mikephotos : Colin writes: My understanding was that the reason Nikon got such huge pro take up in the first place was simply that they GAVE cameras away to key me
110 Joe pries : Mike threw up the following: Guess Joe isn't so ecstatic cause there IS no IS in hIS bag I'll give him credit, he at least IS smart enough not to be t
111 Post contains images Wietse : You Cannyon boys keep saying this but the last few press events I've been to all I saw were D100's, D1's & F5's? Now for once stop talking about those
112 Mikephotos : You're proud of a 4 month waiting list? Canon should be ashamed and get their machining process working correctly to pump-out the require amount of bo
113 Post contains images Jan Mogren : M, nor is his bag soiled with nikok stuff huh? goes to show you /JM
114 Joe pries : Canon should be ashamed of themselves? what a foolish statement- here they have a camera that is so immensely popular, perhaps the most popular ever g
115 Post contains images Ckw : Mike - I was going way back before EOS, autofocus and even TTL ... I'm talking about real photography ... Nikon made a calculated effort to flood the
116 Mikephotos : Joe don't be foolish, the D60 is NO WHERE near being the most popular camera. Not even close I would say. Yes, foolish. I don't care how popular a cam
117 Post contains images Mikephotos : Canons work. Period. Throw a 70-200/f2.8 L series Canon lens on a F-1 and see what happens....throw a 80-200/f2.8 Nikkor on an F3 and you'll get......
118 Joe pries : Mike according to you there are no pros on dpreview. i guess all the pros are shooting weddings on saturday nights according to you. I thought you wer
119 Post contains images Mikephotos : What another stupid posting by a canon man. Who cares? Quite a lot of people I might add. There are numerous amout of professionals still using the hi
120 Post contains images Ljungdahl : LMAO, this is the funniest thread in a long, long time... "Cannyon", "Nikok", "bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha..." ...say no more... ...Johan...
121 Joe pries : Johan, id rather be called cannyon than nikok any day. any day. Joe
122 Post contains images Ljungdahl : Joe! ...I agree, every single photo with my name in this DB is a Canon-photo...! ...Johan...
123 Post contains images Timdegroot : Mike, although you're a worthy adversary, your fellow Nikok user seems to have too little faith in Nikon to support you You're pretty much on your own
124 Post contains images Wietse : Tim, I might be having a white 100-400 tube sooner than we expected I'll tell you about it on MSN. Wietse = Proud Canon User
125 Post contains images Joe pries : Wietse, congrats! what drove you to buy it, Tim and K's shots? or this thread made you feel even better about Canon and you felt you had to do somethi
126 Post contains images Mikephotos : Only a Nikon man could single-handily take on and crush a group of wimpy Canon shooters hahahahahahaha I love it. Michael
127 Post contains images Wietse : Joe, It was shooting with it myself. I have used Peters lens a couple of times when Tim was using it in the field. But I dont know wether or not it wi
128 Post contains images Joe pries : Wietse, keep in mind that I shoot with 70-200 and 1.4x and 2x converters and i do just fine plus I have the flexibility of the 70-200. I do not have I
129 Post contains images Staffan :
130 Vaman : FUJI S2 the other other Nikon. Logan
131 Post contains images Carlos Borda : Strange thing is... in your case, all the fancy Canola toy technology in the world STILL doesn't fix your crooked eye shots!! Or maybe it just because
132 Post contains images Carlos Borda : Don't ever think your alone in this good will mission Mike... I'm also here doing my good deed to try and convert the evil canola's users. I have fait
133 Post contains images Ghost77 : NIKON-metal users, we all know it is the best!!! Ricardo
134 Post contains images Wietse : Joe, You are right, but then i'd have to spend a lot of money on converters too... (i wont buy sigma or kenko or whatever) So i think that for me (and
135 Post contains links Jwenting : If I wanted a plastic camera, I'd go for a Holga. The REAL "Plastic Fantastic"! http://www.holgacamera.com says it all. I think it's where Crayon got
136 Post contains images Timdegroot : Funny everybody should mention plastic.... I recently watched an interesting documentary on the Discovery Channel about battle tanks. Guess what the U
137 Post contains images Wietse : Tim, we must have ESP or something, because at school I was thinking of new arguments and I thought of the EXACT same thing. Wietse
138 Joe pries : Wietse, the 16-35 worked out nicely, the only thing that sucked was the $1500 price tag with the B&W filter. Joe
139 Post contains images Wietse : Quality comes at a price.... I especially dont like the 2000€ pricetag on the 100-400 L IS... But I want to have it... Allthough Nikon does seem
140 Post contains images Joe pries : Weitse, thats what american friends are for, so that you dont have to pay 2000 Euro Joe
141 Post contains images Wietse : I know... Tim and Konstantin did it that way, right? Problem is, I dont have any American friends coming here before christmas Wietse
142 Post contains images Timdegroot : Wietse, 2000 is a bit steep even for here. Maybe I can get you a better deal at that place in Alkmaar. I'll have Peter call them next week, and ask th
143 Wietse : Tim, I am busy tomorrow, plus I have to pick up the slides I shot with you last week. Techically speaking, the price (well, the lowest I found) is 199
144 Post contains links Staffan : Wietse, Check these people out: http://www.internet-foto.de/ 1771 Euro for the 100-400. I've been there quite a few times and they speak loads of lang
145 Wietse : Staffan, that shop looks pretty decent, thanks, maybe i'll order from there. Wietse
146 Timdegroot : Peter paid Fl3800,- a year and a half ago at the place in Alkmaar. That's about 1710 euros, and a big plus it's much closer and when problems arise it
147 Joe pries : Tim i cant believe you guys pay 7.40 when here in nyc i pay 10 bucks. this sucks. Joe
148 Wietse : wow! Dutch stores are cheaper at something! This calls for a celebration! Wietse
149 Post contains images Timdegroot : Well the film may be cheaper here Joe, but I do have to send it to Switzerland and wait for a minimum of two weeks before I see any results Tim
150 Post contains images Photopilot : Count me in on the NIKON side. Of course I will admit that Canon does in fact (come on Nikon users.... admit it when the facts are true) introduce mor
151 Post contains images LGW : Just wanted to add my bit to the post...I don't normally like Canon Vs Nikon because it's unfair to compare the two really (poor old nikon) But I just
152 Post contains links Jwenting : Yes, Canon is the master of marketting. Get people to buy a new camera twice a year to always have the latest "improved" version... Nikon doesn't dece
153 OH-LZA : Count me in on the real camera side! No, Canon users, I'm not talking about Canons! Nikon Rules!
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