Berlinspotter From Germany, joined Jul 2000, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2569 times:
It was no problem. They were very kind to me and asked for permission before anything happened! They invited me to visit them today what I already did! Nice people and nice cooperation! I can't complain.
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 54 Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2429 times:
As I was telling Thomas on private email, i got 20 times what he got for crash photos in the past- he said they want a contract with him- sure they do, they just got the steal of a lifetime with what they are giving Thomas- for worldwide distribution to every magazine and newspaper and internet outlet on earth- you need to get paid some serious dollars- as soon as he said they want to give him a contract i said to myself- they are loving this kid cause they just saved themselves a bundle. I told Thomas to talk to his parents about this and see what they say. I just hate to see people getting bent over and raped especially when they dont know what they're doing when dealing with multi-billion dollar companies.
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 54 Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2412 times:
If there are alot of others with the same shot, you cant demand what you would if you have say an american 767 that few people have the same exact registration- but for the usage that Reuters or AP does, I would say for a very common airplane that there are many shots of- 750 to 1000 US should do. Remember, the photo will be syndicated to every news outlet on earth- that means everywhere on the planet- thats not 100 or 200 bucks worth.
ExitRow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2401 times:
I've posted this link before, but it's worthy of posting again. It's a pdf file concerning usage and photography pricing. It's a good primer. (But by no means everything.) I suggest all young/new photographers interested in selling their images read it. Actually, in speaking for other commercial shooters... I DEMAND you read it.
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 54 Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2403 times:
as long as Reuters and other firms finds guys who'll gladly take a few bucks you can forget the dslr. The only way to make serious money is if you shoot a registration that they cant get from someone else or someone elses shot of the airplane sucks- if you're the only guy with a shot of a particular crashed airplane you are king- but you have to play your cards right or they'll take you for a nice ride if they see you're a newbie or a kid- they'll feel you out good and know what to offer.
Staffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2393 times:
Joe, yeah I know, I usually try to figure out first what to charge when I get a request. Most of the times I've been turned down with the excuse "sorry...blah blah blah..no pay", but once in a while it goes my way and I get what I want, that makes it worth it! It gets really boring spending time replying to mails from people who want stuff for free...
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 54 Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2377 times:
I turn away "business" quite often because its usually b.s., either freebies or "limited budgets"- you know how much it costs to travel the world to shoot airliners? thousands of dollars. Lets not even get into film and equipment costs..... real clients will not waste your time and will pay you what your work is worth and not play games with you.
The Red Baron From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 90 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2014 times:
I've just had a request from RAYTHEON Airline Avn Svs in Wichita asking permission to use one of my shots on a calendar they are producing for 2003 - the offer they made me : photographer credit and a few free calendars !!! Thought it a bit of a cheek really but sent it them anyway - I like to see my work in print and viewed by the masses, especially those in the industry. I did include a line in my reply to the effect that others receive princely sums for the use of photo's so hopefully that may give the guy a bit of a guilt trip !!!
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 54 Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2009 times:
BB, giving it to them for a few free calendars is your business, personally i'd rather burn all my almost 100,000 slides and throw my D60 and all my gear from the 100th floor of the empire state building before giving a multi-billion dollar company anything for nothing. Every time anyone here gives these companies a freebie they laugh in their offices cause they just saved hundreds of dollars because if they had gone the usual route of a stock photo agency they would have paid atleast $300 or more for a photo like that- you made thier day today, there are happy people at Raytheon today
737heavy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 601 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1992 times:
Steady on, it's up to the individual photographer as to whether they charge or not. At the same time I also agree that any request for a picture should be backed up with good money. But at the end of the day it's the individuals choice.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1964 times:
A stockphoto of an aircraft is of course not in the same category as a shot of a crashsite.
Stock shots usually bring very little per reproduction but the total can run up nicely.
Always agree to a decent fee per X photos printed, if they then publish it in a large newspaper with a printrun of half a million copies you can get some nice money.
Most organisations of photographers publish the currently going rates, try to find them (ask a wedding photographer for example, he's no competitor but will have the rates or access to them) and use those as a starting point.
Remember, those are the rates the publishing houses expect to pay to professionals so they're used to them!
ExitRow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1966 times:
Here's the truth of it:
If it's a NON-PROFIT organization asking for a trade, consider it a charitable donation. Feel good about yourself but be sure to get your name out there with a credit of some sort.
If it's a small FOR-PROFIT company, at least charge what it cost you to acquire the image. (Film, processing, gas, beef jerky...)
If it's for a LARGE, FOR-PROFIT CORPORATE ENTITY with yearly overhead costs that exceed the income of your family's last five generations, CHARGE A FORTUNE.
Why? Because it's probably IN THEIR BUDGET. Every print job worth being involved with will have a photography budget. By saving money on said budget by paying pennies, you're getting someone ELSE a promotion or bonus and screwing yourself and other photographers in the process.
This is the same "revolution" that happened to graphic designers and typesetters when the desktop computer came into existence. Everybody and their mother claimed to be a "graphic designer" and the consequence was qualified, talented designers were being outbid by younger, less experienced "designers" with a Macintosh in their parents' basement. (Albeit, the work was lower quality, but to some marketing guy that doesn't know the difference between a serif and a descender, who cares?)
Now, with digital cameras and Airliners.net, art directors and buyers are smartening up to the fact that they can get "decent" imagery without having to pay for it. Learning how to price your images is just as important as learning exposure settings... if not more so.
Yes, it's nice to see your photo all over the place, but keep in mind what you are doing. It affects the market and quite honestly, in some cases, you are throwing away a winning lottery ticket.