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Since When Do Special Pics Get Rejected?  
User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

Hi,

last Tuesday, I read somewhere that past Wednesday would be the last day that 4 Virgin Express aircraft would wear temporary 'Q Airlines' titles, celebrating the first anniversary of Q Music, a Belgian radio station.

Now, to make sure that this website would at least have 1 (!) single picture of these aircraft, I drove to the airport and took a few pics of those aircraft.

I know, the weather was bad and so, but this was the very last opportunity I ('we') had to catch those birds wearing those temporary stickers (well, I haven't been able to check it).

Here you can see the pics (click on image to see full 1024x768 image):












I know, the quality isn't 100%. But I was trying to do this site a favor and add a couple of special pictures to it's enormous database (especially the last one, I think this one's quality is the best).

But, all pics were rejected, and even the appeal function didn't help much. Johan rejected all four of them. They even didn't accept the last picture, a picture whose quality I think is rather acceptable for this special subject.

But hey, guess there's nothing I can do about it huh? If anybody'd like to have those please download them or send me an email.

Ivan


Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
31 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Oh yeah. I don't mean anything bad with this. I just think maybe this is a missed opportunity for a site like this. But hey, life goes on. I have them Big grin

Or, if anybody should have some comment on how to improved them (especially the last one), met me know...

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineXenon From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Ivan,

I like them, but I think the weather was pretty shitty...
Typical Belgian!

Hey don't give up! Try it again, fine-tune in PShop.

Good luck,

Daniel




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User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Ivan what was the reason for rejecting the last one? it looks sharp to me. You got me.

Joe


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Ivan if you get a chance to get some side-on kodachrome slides of this airplane in sun i'll take a roll of 36 and i'll give you 50 euros for it. Let me know.

Joe


User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

This plane was here at Faro, I didn't pay too much attention while it was parked at stand because I thought it would continue painted like this for some monthes and now you're telling it was just until last wednesday?  Sad I'm not into trading slides but if I knew it, I could have made some perfect 50mm side profiles under sun for Joe, and for me  Sad

Luis


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

oh Luis, never never think something might last for a long time, always shoot insurance slides on anything new you see. too too bad man.

 Sad


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2679 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

today I got to slum in on the Copa 737 delivery ceremony for a plane celebrating 100 years of Panama, wearing special paint. The weather was shite but I busted a few off, but none of the screeners cared (I sent an email)  Smile

if you're feeling saucy...

http://www.clickhappy.com/to_home/dsc_0840_hp-1379cmp.jpg


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

Royal,
its a real shame you dont shoot kodachrome, you'd make a damn fortune with all the hot hot shite you shoot- you'd be able to pay off your new nickon d100 in no time.

Joe


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2671 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

being on the Boeing flightline today was insane. I saw some cool shiz....including the GE 747 test bed. I got some great shots of the Ryanair CEO clowing around, plus I was the only one on a brand new 738 for over 20 minutes.

Sitting in the drivers seat was huge. I was like a kid in a candystore.


User currently offlineTimdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2579 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Joe , Peter and I might be going to BRU next weekend or whenever the weather is ok, possibly with rampaccess. IF we get the opportunity to shoot it I'll do a roll for you.

Tim



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User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Joe: Thanks for the support. I know, the last one looks nice, when you consider the conditions. But hey, I still don't have the ability to scare all the clouds away and take out the sun you know.

Anyway, I'm driving to the airport within 30 minutes or so, and let's hope for some sunny weather and that one of the aircrafts still has the special markings.

Timdegroot: How do you guys get ramp access? Big grin

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineTimdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2549 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Ivan, as is said "possibly with rampaccess" , so nothing is confirmed yet.
But my father know the right people in the right places, so usually that gets the job done at most airports. Then again BRU has some excellent outside spots so I won't be miserable when we don't get access Smile
Joe will tell you also, it's all about who you know in this hobby.

Tim



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User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Timdegroot: Yup, I know Big grin

Anyway, the photos were rejected because of low quality. This afternoon, I drove back to BRU to shoot TV737 coming from LIN, but man, the weather was even worse than last wednesday: visibility of about 1km! Fog all the way...

But, anyway, this aircraft was still wearing Q Airliners titles. That's the good news! So, guess we'll just have to wait for some sunny weather. But, and that's the bad news, I don't think we'll have good sunny weather over here at BRU for the first couple of days  Sad

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2415 times:

Guess the screeners have finally stopped replying to these type of posts, like they said they were going to. I've noticed this lately. At least one should have been added, being that it is rare. Guess you didn't get that one screener who loves to check the database to see how rare (common) something is.  Big grin Bad move on the screeners part not taking at least one, and I guess we won't hear their side of the story...

Brian - SPOT THIS!


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Apparently a.net doesn't want to be anymore a 'complete-database'?

Those are the first, and probably the last pictures that will be uploaded from this plane with Q-Music Airlines stickers.

The quality is certainly ok (sad about the sky, but it could be much more worse, quality is still very good).

Very strange they were not accepted...

BTW: why do the screeners not reply anymore to this kind of topics? I think that this is not a normal 'why not accepted' thread, it goes about special aircrafts which are not added to the database anymore apparently...

/Frederic


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

NonRevKing and Sabena 690:

Thanks for the support! Yes it's true. I'd like to hear something from the screeners as well. But however, I don't want to become one of those guys over here that have a certain 'reputation' and jeopardise the upload of future pictures.

But once again, I also think one should have been uploaded (preferably the last one - I think it has acceptable image quality). Or if one of the screeners could give me some sort of advice on how to improve them...

Or maybe someone else would like to improve it? If you'd like I can upload the original Img_0011.jpg to my webspace and if you'd like you can try to get it better?

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Why do the screeners not reply anymore to this kind of topics?

There's no point in the screeners responding to this topic - you've provided the answer yourself...

Even the appeal function didn't help much. Johan rejected all four of them.

But I'll tell you why the screeners don't tend to respond to this type of topic anymore...

A year ago, the screening / acceptance process was very closed - very little in the way of explanation, very little in the way of feedback (no criticism of those involved at the time intended).

We tried to change things, we tried to make the process more transparent by explaining what happens, how judgments are made, etc. We hoped that this would reduce the number of critical topics, on the basis that photographers should be better informed, know what was expected, and how judgments were made. However, the end result of this policy of making things more open was a large increase in the amount of aggressive or critical screening/process topics on this forum. What actually happened, in effect, was that there was a huge growth in the "armchair screener" syndrome - photographers who thought they knew what was going on trying to out-judge or out-maneuver the screening and appeals process.

For a long while, we tried to deal with these topics by trying to respond positively and constructively, but a fair number of our attempts at this just resulted in more criticism. So we've reached the situation we are now in. I am not singling out those involved in this topic as the only culprits, but there is a process for dealing with rejected pictures, and that is to appeal. Clearly in this case, the appeal has failed and therefore all this topic does is further encourage this "armchair screening" syndrome - effectively, its just adding fuel to the "we know better than the screeners" (or indeed more than the editor in chief) thing.

Please note that there is no absolute policy of screeners not responding to topics in the forum, but if there is a general perception that screeners nolonger reply to these topics, then you now know why - lack of motivation to do so based on us having tried before, and having found it achieved nothing.

Andy


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Skymonster:

Thanks for your honest answer. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be aggressive or so, certainly not. In fact I wasn't trying to take down the screeners.

I was asking the forum members for their opinion about the rejected pictures, and ask them for some good advice. I really think that it would be good for A.net to have at least one picture of those aircraft with their special markings. I even don't care wether it's mine or not.

So, at this moment I'm trying to improve the quality of the pictures I took so at least one of the pictures will make it to the database.

If the weather here should increase (no sun these past 2 days whatsoever, only low visibility  Sad ) I'll go back to BRU and try to shoot one of those 4 birds. Let's hope they still wear these stickers by then. If not, too bod for the database I think. But hey, I'll have them in my own personal collection, and that is what counts most for me!

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

I've just uploaded an improved version of the last picture:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/Img_0011A.jpg

Thanks to Frederic Backaert aka Sabena 690 for trying to improve this picture. Let's hope this one makes it. We'll see, right?

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Thanks for your answer, Andy, and I understand your point of view.

Anyway, it is still a fact that I did not see any criticism here in this thread... Ivan asked a normal question that deserves a normal answer. If the topic would have been something like ''hey screeners, what is wrong with it, why don't you just accept it huh? Picture is ok, so why don't you do it; are you boycotting me maybe???'' I would immediately ask for deletion, but I think that in this topic absolutely no offence is included towards Johan and the screeners.

Regards,
Frederic



User currently offlineEbos From Belgium, joined Jul 2001, 520 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Ivan and others,

It seems that OO-LTL and OO-LTU will wear the Q-Music stickers for another two weeks. I hope you can nail them in excellent weather conditions  Wink/being sarcastic, but it looks like we have to wait at least some days...

Sven



An-225 stalker: 1 x LUX, 1 x EIN, 1 x DXB, 2 x SHJ, 3 x CGN
User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Ebos:

Thanks for the information. I'll definitely do my best, especially since I currently have been hired by a cargo company as airport dispatcher (really not that big 'aviation' deal, but I'm very close to the airport: Brucargo  Wink/being sarcastic )

I'll try to shoot it, maybe even this week. But of course, we'll need some good weather. And it has been kind of foggy for these past few days now around BRU.

So, all we can do is hope for some sunny weather  Big thumbs up

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Hi guys.

I'm glad to announce that one of them (the best one, and improved by Sabena 690  Big thumbs up ) finally made it:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Ivan Coninx



All I can say is...

YES!



Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Congratulations Ivan!!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

Actually, the picture was already good, I didn't change it that much, but still glad it is accepted! Big grin

Regards,
Frederic


25 Post contains images Apuneger : Sabena 690: Thanks! This is my first really special one, you know. My first 'first', if you know what I mean Ivan
26 Post contains links and images Tappan : It is a unique photo. That is all it is. All unique photos should be uploaded. It is a special livery, a special plane photo should be honored as such
27 Bodobodo : Mark, Don't worry! I've posted in this forum myself in the past asking why this image has so many hits. I have no idea! Felix
28 Post contains links Carlos Borda : More than likely this image is probably linked to some other page on the web which is generating lots of traffic (hits). Sort of like this page link b
29 Post contains images Apuneger : Tappan: Thanks for your comment! Ivan
30 Bwc1976 : Funny, I liked the first two best. I don't see what's wrong with any of them, or indeed the difference between the original version of the 4th one and
31 Apuneger : Bwc1976: The final version of the 4th one is brighter, a bit sharper and the red comes out better... Thanks for your support! Ivan
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