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Border Cases To Go To Johan/ Rejections...  
User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

Screeners want low grain, high sharpness and will kill everything else if those 2 criteria are not filled.....That means....
#1. If you have a cool and unique (very long lens photo) it will probably be rejected or given to Johan as a border line case...
#2 That a.net will become a low grain, very focused boring photo site of "side on" airplane photos with an occassional contrail photo or nice color, low grain photo getting thru....
Mark Garfinkel

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User currently offlineXenon From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

Mark,

Can it be that one of you're photo's was rejected for "badscan"?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Daniel



AirTeamImages -ATI-
User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2741 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

Let's see.....

Low grain.........yes
very focused.....yes
side on photo.....yes
nice color..........yes
contrail.............no, darn.... no engine Big grin

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Photo © Stephen Liard


Oh heck.... must be a boring side-on photo  Nuts  Confused  Insane

Sorry Mark but in my own sarcastic way I'm saying I don't agree with your post. You have some great stuff on A.net and I personally am in awe of your moon shots. You obviously show that you can indeed get unique long lens photos accepted which means that I fail to understand the point of your post. Your acceptances directly refute what you post says.

Explain please.....

Steve


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

A the big contributors are getting pissed with the amount of rejections (big as in a ton of submitions and number of popular photos). I do agree for some part the rules are a little anal, and for the most part all you see is the boring stuff. But some artistic stuff gets though, heck my Super Blanik photo made it (though after being appealed to Johan).


At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

Steve, every time I see that shot my jaw drops.......!

In response to Mark's post,... I sure hope not (side shot site). I enjoy the variety and creativity the photographers have shown us here. While I can understand the bar being raised from time to time, I don't think it has got out of hand. I know I have had my share of rejections, and i'm sure I have many waiting for me down the road, they just make me take a harder look at my submissions. In the long run I feel I benefit from them.

I think the long lens, and the people behind them is what made this site what it is.

v/r
Jeff


User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

I got a pic rejected that said it as blurry. the only blur on the picture was the visual distortion form the JET BLAST! lol


Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4839 times:

Phil same here:

These two the screeners said were blurry, the only blur is the jet blast and rotor wash, and its only in the background, the aircraft is sharp.


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Photo © Shawn Clark
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Photo © Shawn Clark



Oh well not a big deal for me.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4801 times:

I thoguhtt he good part of my picture WAS the dan jet blast! lol


Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4742 times:

PPGMD said: "Ah the big contributors are getting pissed with the amount of rejections (big as in a ton of submitions and number of popular photos)".
I only have 170 photos....
I kind of took a year off until about 2 months ago. Since then 90% of my photos have either been rejected or been deemed problem/borderline cases. Most of those borderline cases have then been rejected. It is only when they go to Johan that they have a chance. It seems that Johan understands the strengths and weaknesses of a super telephoto lens used at (or just after) sunset. Low grain, tack sharp photos usually cannot be if they are being made at 10 minutes after sunset with a 1200mm lens. I use that lens, with such little light, in hopes of getting some dramatic and unique photos that could not exist without that loooooong lens. Then I get, "badblurry", "grain"......It's like saying: "wow, that Harley is fast but it is way too loud.
Mark G
P.S Damn right I'm belly aching! Prior to this new screener thing 99% of my photos were uploaded. And if I have a very good views "per photo avg", well then it looks like the upload % of pre 2001 is correct.


User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

Mark, if they dont get accepted here, there's a couple other nice websites that probably will, all aviation oriented with lower standards...

-Clovis


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4719 times:

I am sure I want to stay with a.net and no one else.
With the amount of good and interesting people here, a.net cannot be beat. Also, the companies who see and want to use our photos here are growing..
Mark G


User currently offlineKingwide From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 838 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4714 times:

So Mark, what exactly is your point? Apart from, as it seems to me, another chance to bash the screeners.

I'm personally quite insulted by your insinuation that we, the screeners, don't understand 'the strengths and weaknesses of a super telephoto lens...'.

There's a set of rules for this site which are given to us by Johan and we apply them for him. Many of us, definitely me and I think most of us, continually want to push through different, exciting shots but we have a duty to uphold the rules as laid down by Johan. Number 1 rule is image quality and we have very little leeway on this.

"prior to this new screener thing, 99% of my shots were accepted" - lower standards, less people able to compete with your glass etc. but cutting edge for 2000 is no longer cutting edge for 2002-3. Everyone else has raised their game in the quality stakes and if you don't go with them then you get left behind.

J



Jason Taperell - AirTeamImages
User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

Especially you Kingwide.....You don't understand the strengths and weaknesses of a supertelephoto.......
Mark G


User currently offlinePepef From Finland, joined Oct 2002, 440 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

Mark G,

You have several spectacular photos in the db. I mean really good.But,

It's like saying: "wow, that Harley is fast but it is way too loud"

exactly what Harley were you talking about? Big grin I agree with the loud part though.

-Peter-


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

How can photos (not photoids in our database) be added to a forum post?
Thanks
Mark Garfinkel


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

......< img src=joepries>.......

Mark, where i wrote my name put in the entire URL and get rid of the dots and space inbetween < and img

Joe


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

Joe,
How do I make it a url to begin with?
Thanks


User currently offlineLjungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 907 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Mark, type like this:

< img src="http://yourwebsitehere">, but the only space should be between "img" and "src", else this won't work.

/Johan


User currently offlineLjungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 907 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4633 times:

Oh, and to create the URL, you got to have your photo online on another website...

/Johan


User currently offlineExitRow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

A professional photojournalist questioning the abilities and skills of the screeners on A.net.

Gee, I never thought I'd see the day...  Insane



User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 4554 times:


The top two......an A-330 and the 1st sunset are "borderlines" waiting for Johan
and the bottom 4 are rejects
Mark G

if that does not work it is:
http://home.earthlink.net~megarf


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 4553 times:

Sorry again....
my rejects and two borderlines can be found at
http://home.earthlink.net/~megarf

< img src=http://home.earthlink.net/~megarf>


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 4548 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER



User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 4533 times:



User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5056 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 4535 times:

Mark, FWIW I think your shots that did get accepted are excellent and show much creativity. I tried the link above but it doesn't work. would love to see some of the "rejects". I've gotten the same treatment on some "basic" shots that are really quite good.

Kingwide said that they have a duty to uphold the rules laid down by Johan..but when you browse the new additions each day like I do, you'll still see a big range of quality on some shots. I see dark photos and I see grainy ones. And i know this even from my own uploads: not all screeners judge photos the same way. They can't; they're human. But overall, i agree that screeners are a bit anal on the high quality shots.

bruce




Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
25 Post contains images Mirage : Rejected:
26 Bruce : Oops....ok, I figured out why the link didn't work. i got it now. I really like the Virgin 747 shot. And the one landing under the moon. Great work! b
27 Post contains images PPGMD : One word wow. What did you use to get that shot.
28 Dazed767 : Good god that moon shot is awsome. Just curious, what was the reason for being rejected on that one?
29 Da fwog : OK, I just don't understand this. The sunset sky shots have a stunning sky, and the large moon shot is a similarly stunning picture. But are these the
30 Post contains images Delta777-XXX : Mark, the two pictures you said were rejected look great! If the screeners rejected those, then airliners.net is having some serious problems. If this
31 Vaman : Part of the "allure" of this site is having the highest quality perfect pictures. Of course it is subjective but tell in life what isn't. If you want
32 Tappan : My point is not to be disrepectful to the screeners..... These pics I posted ARE grainy! Some are also slightly out of focus, but they moved some peop
33 Post contains links and images Planeboy : Mark, "Excuse me while I kiss the sky" - quote from Jimi Hendrix On a more serious note - I believe your eye is very good - perhaps much too good for
34 B-OTCH : God, if Mark Garfinkel can't get photos accepted here, who can?...There is something seriously wrong here, and its not the photographers...
35 Tappan : They volunteer countless hours and we need them. I AM NOT criticizing the screeners!!!! AND will NOT!!! I am questioning the criteria by which a photo
36 Post contains links and images Tappan : Stephen, Great shot by the way.....Sorry we don't agree on this posted topic though..... View Large View MediumPhoto © Stephen Liard Mark G
37 Sunilgupta : Mark, a "wow" is well deserved for all those shots... Clearly, these rejects are a case of following the letter of the law instead of the intent!!!! A
38 Post contains links and images Photopilot : Hi Mark: Ok, so it's an imperfect system we live with. But the line has to be drawn somewhere or else we all go out and buy disposable plastic cameras
39 Flpuck6 : PHENOMENAL shots Mark. LOVE seeing those points of view from "our" airport! There has to be some credit to the degree of difficulty in taking a shot!!
40 Post contains images Joe pries : i always end up getting involved somehow, damn!
41 Planeboy : Hey Joe - where ya goin' with that digital camera in your hand... Another "Hendrix" quote on my part - a mixup of words however - You're famous Joe -
42 Post contains images Serge : Damn... I can't believe it! These are some of the best damn late evening/night action photos I have seen. This is stunning as hell!: I agree if change
43 Post contains images Ljungdahl : ...yep, I agree, those shots are amazing!! I'm truly impressed, Mark!! ...but all of you in this thread, who's complaining about the screening process
44 Tappan : Moaning process Johan? Yep, I am guilty and I stand here today to appologize (to the screeners) that this thread became a screener bashing thread. I s
45 Tappan : I said "Most of those borderline cases have then been rejected. It is only when they go to Johan that they have a chance. It seems that Johan understa
46 Ljungdahl : Mark, when I wrote about the "moaning process", I was not referring to your posts, my apologies if it appeared that way... ...no, there are people her
47 Post contains images Tappan : Johan, Thanks.... Sorry the thread got as big and ugly as a monster... Mark Facts remain...That a.net is a GREAT site and the photos, whether they are
48 Ljungdahl : ...Mark, I can't agree more, and that's exactly what my point was, those few members of this great site, that many times attempt to pull it (the Site)
49 AKE0404AR : Missed most of the thread. Mark your work is phenomenal but creativity has little place on a.net these days. You can ask any pro and they probably wil
50 Administrator : I really don't know what I can add to this discussion. It's the eternal complaints on our high rejection levels that's under criticism again and as I'
51 Tappan : Johan, You said... "Artistic shots are as all know a major and highly appreciated part of Airliners.net - most shots in the "Editors' choice" section
52 Paulc : Another point is the fact that is takes a long time for appealed pictures to be screened. Also are emails sent out from the appeal queue? 2 of my appe
53 Post contains links and images Delta777-XXX : View Large View MediumPhoto © Mark Garfinkel yay!
54 Post contains images Tappan : Happy to have Johan approve one of the photos (sunset liftoff) but am bummed out that the Airbus 330 with cloudy half moon photographed just after sun
55 Mirage : So do I with many of my rejections. Luis
56 Post contains images Delta777-XXX : Mark man you're pictures are amazing. It's their lose, dont worry about it. You should email me some of your pics that are rejected. Hank WCJetBoy@hot
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