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Long-time Expose - The Result  
User currently offlineBoeingholiday From Austria, joined Apr 2002, 456 posts, RR: 4
Posted (12 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2576 times:

Hi all,

back from a very cold night, here's the result (was rejected  Crying ), anyway, enjoy!

http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=nachtKopie.jpg

Cheers, Markus  Big thumbs up

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User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2540 times:

Where is the milkway?

Luis


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

No aircraft, and the full moon isn't exactly the best time to take night shots of the sky.


At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

hey man i like the idea, not bad. Not to say it should have been accepted, but hey, credit where it's due.

by the way, if you want to take a picture of the full moon, you dont need to time expose it, it has enough light even though your camera doesnt think so. Zoom in, set the shutter at like 1/90 or so and fire away... otherwise you'll just get a big white light. Likewise, if you want pictures of the stars as well, double expose first the moon, then shoot a starry scene without the moon in it....

if you try it let me know, i'd love to see how you do..

take it easy

chris


User currently offlineBoeingholiday From Austria, joined Apr 2002, 456 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Hello all,

thanks for your comments.
Can't you see the milkyway?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Well, a part of it is visible!
Aircraft: trails are lit by the moon - I think that's the special point here - have you ever seen trails at night?  Big thumbs up

Chris, I'll try it when the night is as beautiful as on the picture.
You said "double expose first the moon" - this confuses me - won't I get a big white light then?  Confused

Cheers Markus


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Markus - Yes!

Chris:

http://www.pbase.com/image/5602043
http://www.pbase.com/image/6392422

Dan  Smile


User currently offlineBoeingholiday From Austria, joined Apr 2002, 456 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Hi Dan,

the pictures are great, I'll try that.

Does anybody know here how to handle with the earth-rotation? (special kind of tripod?) We've great aircraft activity here, and a long expose (about 5 Minutes) would bring amazing results!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Juhuu!

Thanks, best regards Markus


User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2821 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2374 times:

Hey Markus:

Can I respectfully suggest that you send your photos to Astronomy.Net and stop wasting the screeners time here on Airliners.Net.

As to saying in the Remarks "Full moon, milkyway and aircraft" well sorry, but I only see a streetlight, lensflare and dust on the scan, or perhaps moths circling the streetlight. And if you say there is an aircraft visible in the photo, well it must be a Stealth Fighter..... totally invisible.

Steve


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

You wanna moon shot? Here's one.








Pity it's not mine. (gotcha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy) It was taken on one of the Apollo missions on a Hasselblad.

Charles



User currently offlineBoeingholiday From Austria, joined Apr 2002, 456 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Charles, great picture - no aircraft visible  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Steve: "don't waste the screener's time" - I can give you a dozen examples of pictures that really waste the screener's time! Why can't you give beginners a chance?  Sad


User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2821 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2295 times:

Sorry Boeingholiday but I stand by my original post.

This is Airliners.net and it is a site for people who love aircraft and aircraft photography.

I judge all photos (including my own) by the simple but logical method of simply looking at it. If I have to read the information to see or understand what is going on, then the photo did not achieve any objective.

The cutline or caption may explain the "HOW" of how a photo was taken, the "When" it was taken, the "Why" it was taken. But if the viewer cannot visually determine the "What" then the photo is a failure. Some photos require more than a cursory examination to determine the what, but even a close examination of your photo yields no further enlightenment. If you want to capture the moon and aircraft in a compelling composition, then I might suggest you examine some of the supurb images by Mark Garfinkle on this site. He has truly captures images of the moon and aircraft that stagger the imagination and without having to read a single word of explanation.

The plain and simple truth is that no aircraft is visible. No readily identifiable object is visible. I could show this photo to 100 people on the street and probably get 100 guesses as to what it is. It doesn't visually tell a story of any type. Where is the point of interest? Please point out to me and other A.net viewers one single redeeming feature of this image.

You can call me harsh, but I judge no differently for my own work. I call it as I see it..... and frankly I just don't see it in this image.

Steve


User currently offlineBoeingholiday From Austria, joined Apr 2002, 456 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Steve,

First, this is the second part of another topic (long-time shutter). Therefore I asked how to make night photos, and how to capture airplanes, by the way, on it too.

This is a "learning process" - not only for me, of course also for others how are interested in nightphotos.

That this pic isn't that good - hey, I now know that by myself. So no reason to make it down here.

In condition, only with help (which you get) you can improve the pics, apart from that, you're afterwards able to get the them on a high stage of quality, and apart from anything, it makes me weird to see that there are black sheeps under us which, single-minded, follow the way of criticise pictures for the worst, only to be sure that no good thing will be there. This isn't the way it should be.  Crying



User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Markus,

Agreed, we have to help you so you could learn from this.

But I think all Steve suggests is that because even you say it is not good enough, why still upload it to A.net and waste the screeners' time?

Wietse



Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlineBoeingholiday From Austria, joined Apr 2002, 456 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Hi,

Wietse, I meant that I now know that it's not the perfect pic, and I want to learn from my mistakes, as everybody here, I guess  Wink/being sarcastic

So I don't understand why Steve wastes time to criticise the picture in that way. Hm...



User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Markus,

Didnt say anything then... I thought you knew all along the pic wasnt good... Smile



Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Cfalk -  Wow!.

thats brilliant. The only other that rival that are the ones taken from the 'Envisat' satellite that I get through my Dad, I also have nice airport overviews, some pictures of the mount etna eruption and some other nice stuff from it.

Great!


User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2821 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Maybe I can clarify simply.

I think A.net has some great photographers. And there are lots more who are trying very hard to improve.

But if I see one common attribute that seems to surface regularly, it is that many submitters are not harsh enough critics of their own efforts. When I see posts that say "Will this make it?" That very question means that the photographer has not taken a hard enough look at his own work. Or really understood the quality standards that A.net is trying to uphold. How many uploads are sent to the screeners when deep down in the photographers heart he/she knows that the photo is not good enough? Sent in hope, instead of reality.

It is a very hard thing to learn. To be a strong critic of your own images. We as photographers are emotionally attached to our images. Each image is a little part of ourselves. Our creative efforts for all to see. So it is hard to both give and accept negative comments about our work. It is similar to telling a mother that her baby is ugly. Not easy to do.  Smile By the way, I was a beautiful baby...... LOL Big grin

If all I can accomplish on this forum is to get each person to stand back for a second and take a more critical look at their work before they submit it, then I feel that I have accomplished something. I'm asking each one of us (INCLUDING MYSELF) to set the bar just a little bit higher. Put the bar higher than you think you can comfortably reach. Then strive to reach it.

thanks
Steve


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Steve some of us do that,

Myself I go though 7 or so rolls of film and choose about 2 dozen to scan in. From that I maybe choose 7 that I like, and maybe three of the very best to send to a.net, sometimes you still have to ask will it make it. I know some of my pictures I compared and were up to a.net standards for aircraft sharpness, but it still got rejected.

Steve, were not all perfect we can't tell instantly if the picture will print, I don't send a single picture to my editors, I send up to a half dozen. It's the same with a.net.



At worst, you screw up and die.
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