Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 55 Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2769 times:
I sincerely hope that this thread does not get deleted, while I am putting on a url, it is in no way advertising, I just want to share with all of you a part of this hobby that you may not be aware of and also want to share with you why people here, young and old, put up with waiting 2 weeks to get their slides back, and put up with scratches and other annoyances sometimes because they know that its all worth it in the end. Have a look and keep looking cause this is the first 65 of 200,000 to come.
Flpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2119 posts, RR: 33 Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2650 times:
Phenomenal stuff!!! PHEW!!!
I will admit though, while people think I am nuts about the time and money I invest in my hobby, I do not foresee myself paying $100 for a SLIDE. I am amazed at how there are people even "crazier" than myself lol!
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 55 Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2642 times:
there are alot of young guys here (degroot, rindt, borda, mclaughlin, myself, and others) who know the rewards of shooting the film that is gonna make them very very happy people years from now. I always try to tell people about it but they say im old fashioned and they dont care, but still, I always try to grow the collector's base because that can only be a positive thing for the hobby. And there are plenty of people who will pay 100 bucks for a slide, in fact one last year went for over 400 dollars and it was an LTU A330- go figure
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 55 Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2633 times:
the purpose of this thread is to show guys like yourself who really dont know- whats out there. Jeff i always tell people- you can shoot kodachrome and if you can do it half decent- even with action shots, you can go a long way towards having the film pay alot of your expenses of this very expensive hobby (and who the hell does not like the sound of that). For me, if i get one guy to switch to kodachrome, already all the effort is worth it.
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 55 Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2612 times:
yes Chris, it was the experimental scheme.
Shawn i've explained it in the past- kodachrome, while not the best film out there, is good and the reason collectors pay big bucks for it is because it does not fade after many years (in good storage) and can only be developed in a few labs in the world unlike your provia which you and i can develop in our bathroom at home- with cheap chemicals- so collectors dont want anything to do with it. Plus Provia while an excellent film has not proven that i can maintain color balance after 50+ years -it probably can- but if im spending alot of money on a slide/s probably aint gonna cut it
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2603 times:
Whilst I fully support what Joe's saying, I think we should all get real. Specials and one-offs are one thing, but a slide of your common-or-garden American MD-80 isn't ever going to make $100, let alone $400, no matter how good it is.
The Stratocruiser pictures are making big bucks because there was hardly anyone out there shooting colour slide film in that era, and as a consequence high-quality original slides are very difficult to find and extremely rare. Now a days, slide shooters are ten-a-penny and with most subjects being shot many more times, the value simply isn't going to be there.
On the other hand, I know for a fact I have a few Kodachromes of a subject that NO ONE else in the world has, or ever will have - a totally unique livery combination. One day I'll sell a few of those and I should make a few bucks doing so - I might even scan one for airliners.net one of these days!
Interesting thing is, of course, that as more people turn to digital the number of slide shooters might actually start to decrease, and the market become more restricted again. This could, in turn, ultimately lead to a general increase in values for future stuff shot on slide. Of course though, the prices are only supported by collectors who continue to want slides. Once no one shoots slides, and all those that collect slides pass away, the market goes completely.
Flygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2598 times:
Gee and I thought Kodachrome was king because of its proven ability to have the colors hold up over time. It was the perfect film for recording history back in the days when most color films faded over the years. I never knew it had anything to do with making money off them. If that was my collection I would consider donating it to some historical society.
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 55 Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2571 times:
youve been against me talking up kodachrome forever so this is nothing new coming from you- you made a personal decision to switch from kodachrome in the 70s to prints only-(i still struggle to comprehend why but i dont think i ever will), but you should understand that people they use their slides to support their hobby which is very costly so I dont agree with what you say that " I never knew it had anything to do with making money off them" because you've known for a long time now that people acquire, trade and sell their kodachromes
Andy- nice shot, i shot the a340 in that scheme (on kodachrome) and 744 (on you know what)
JetTrader From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 586 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2565 times:
I've never shot K25. I have had a lot of nice shots on K64, which as Andy points out is the only Kodachrome available now...unless you can prise a rool of K25 from Tommy [Mogren]* or A.N.Other slide/ramp shooter who stockpiled the stuff when it went out of production.
My collection of DC8 slides is largely brought and paid for. Most of what I want isn't flying any more.
* apologies if it wasn't you Tommy - I know someone on this forum mentioned they were going to buy a fridge full
Skyliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 204 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2533 times:
I think Andy's understanding of the dynamics of future supply/demand for slides is right on. Thirty to forty years is a long time to wait for a big payoff, which may not be there at all in the future. As long as there are collectors, shooting extras is an excellent way to pay for film, but I think that it's dangerous to project present conditions into the long-term future. There are still good reasons for shooting slides if you want (I am), but I wouldn't be making retirement plans for 2030 based on unloading my collection of Kodachromes shot today or in the last five to ten years.
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 55 Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2529 times:
ofcourse I agree with you, but especially in today's world making any long term predictions is like stock picking with darts- you just dont know. But also you see, I go to alot of conventions throughout the year here in the U.S. and abroad and I see plenty of enthusiastic collectors young and old who are in it for the long haul. Granted, if KR production ceases then there will be some very serious issues to consider. Regarding shooting kodachrome for retirement, like all investment vehicles, diversification is paramount, that is why 15% of my gross pay goes straight into my 401K and part of my gross goes into my daughter's 509b -my slide collection is not a factor. Anyone who depends on their slide collection to carry them through their retirement years is out of their mind
Timdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 67 Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2522 times:
Joe, I was going trough Clint's stuff this morning and I just watched in awe.
That guy is gonna make a F%*$ing fortune with those slides.
Then again ,some people must be going broke very soon
I'm not gonna bid on any of them though, way too expensive for my sake and I don't even collect oldies very much. I've decided to focus on Airbus from now on, especially the A330/A340......much cheaper alternative and still possible to get a very complete collection.
N314AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2510 times:
Realising that there are more digital cameras out there, there will be less slide
photographers around, thus, yes, the slides will be limited. But if slides go, the
value of the older ones will not disappear. These old slides are historical archives
or artifacts. Historians and aviation photographers will pass them along to others.
They are the original photographic record of specific aircraft and will always be
in demand for publications/etc (with all due respect to the rights of the photographer).
These are of better grain and quality, which it is very difficult to reproduce in film (dupes). Same thing goes for National Geographic archives. If slides disappear
now, then would you think that the value of the Afghan Girl (cover) slide will do too? I doubt that very much.
Digital is nice in some respect as the quality has increased and you get instant
satisfaction. You can also make some money from digital as one can sell a good
print of a shot, pending that shot is not distributed on the net and the photographer
keeps it in his/her file. There are many good action shots which have been taken
by digital cameras that warrant this. Still, the digital image, if distributed in good quality,
has no value. Everyone will have it. The people on those auction sites make their image small for that purpose.