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What I Always Talk About And People Think Im Nuts  
User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

I sincerely hope that this thread does not get deleted, while I am putting on a url, it is in no way advertising, I just want to share with all of you a part of this hobby that you may not be aware of and also want to share with you why people here, young and old, put up with waiting 2 weeks to get their slides back, and put up with scratches and other annoyances sometimes because they know that its all worth it in the end. Have a look and keep looking cause this is the first 65 of 200,000 to come.

http://airlinehobby.com/listings/index.cfm?category=407189183



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User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Phenomenal stuff!!! PHEW!!!

I will admit though, while people think I am nuts about the time and money I invest in my hobby, I do not foresee myself paying $100 for a SLIDE. I am amazed at how there are people even "crazier" than myself lol!

Thanks for the link Joe.

-Chris




Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

A fair number of my own Kodachrome originals are half that age now... Another 20 years and I hope I might have quite a valuable collection Big grin

Andy


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

Chris,
there are alot of young guys here (degroot, rindt, borda, mclaughlin, myself, and others) who know the rewards of shooting the film that is gonna make them very very happy people years from now. I always try to tell people about it but they say im old fashioned and they dont care, but still, I always try to grow the collector's base because that can only be a positive thing for the hobby. And there are plenty of people who will pay 100 bucks for a slide, in fact one last year went for over 400 dollars and it was an LTU A330- go figure  Big grin

Joe


User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Joe,

why would you say that this post might get deleted. I see nothing wrong with it.

About the slides, well I am no slidetrader and I would not pay USD 20.00 for one, 100 would be totally out of the question. SOme of them are indeed nuts!

Vasco


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

Wow, I never knew! In twenty years of photography I never shot one single slide. I always wanted to, but just never did for lack of viewing equipment.

Interesting stuff thanks Joe.

Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate it.

Jeff


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

Jeff,
the purpose of this thread is to show guys like yourself who really dont know- whats out there. Jeff i always tell people- you can shoot kodachrome and if you can do it half decent- even with action shots, you can go a long way towards having the film pay alot of your expenses of this very expensive hobby (and who the hell does not like the sound of that). For me, if i get one guy to switch to kodachrome, already all the effort is worth it.

Joe


User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

Oh Joe, I've been shooting good 'ole Chrome for a few years now and I'm only 22  Wink/being sarcastic

I'm not throwing out the idea that one day I will be totally 'chrome-crazy, I'm just not right now. Maybe when I'm 50 my slides will be worth something lol.

-Chris



Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Oh and the $400 LTU -330, was it the experimental scheme with the Swiss reggie, no?

-Chris



Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

Well... why choose kodachrome? What's so good about it? Isn't Provia an excellent film as well?

User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

yes Chris, it was the experimental scheme.

Shawn i've explained it in the past- kodachrome, while not the best film out there, is good and the reason collectors pay big bucks for it is because it does not fade after many years (in good storage) and can only be developed in a few labs in the world unlike your provia which you and i can develop in our bathroom at home- with cheap chemicals- so collectors dont want anything to do with it. Plus Provia while an excellent film has not proven that i can maintain color balance after 50+ years -it probably can- but if im spending alot of money on a slide/s probably aint gonna cut it

Joe


User currently offlineJetTrader From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 586 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

"...why choose kodachrome? What's so good about it? Isn't Provia an excellent film as well?"

Oops  Wink/being sarcastic And so it begins...again!

Cheers!
Dean (collector of any DC8 slides...but especially on K25!)



Life's dangerous. Get a f**king helmet!
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Guys,

Whilst I fully support what Joe's saying, I think we should all get real. Specials and one-offs are one thing, but a slide of your common-or-garden American MD-80 isn't ever going to make $100, let alone $400, no matter how good it is.

The Stratocruiser pictures are making big bucks because there was hardly anyone out there shooting colour slide film in that era, and as a consequence high-quality original slides are very difficult to find and extremely rare. Now a days, slide shooters are ten-a-penny and with most subjects being shot many more times, the value simply isn't going to be there.

On the other hand, I know for a fact I have a few Kodachromes of a subject that NO ONE else in the world has, or ever will have - a totally unique livery combination. One day I'll sell a few of those and I should make a few bucks doing so - I might even scan one for airliners.net one of these days!

Interesting thing is, of course, that as more people turn to digital the number of slide shooters might actually start to decrease, and the market become more restricted again. This could, in turn, ultimately lead to a general increase in values for future stuff shot on slide. Of course though, the prices are only supported by collectors who continue to want slides. Once no one shoots slides, and all those that collect slides pass away, the market goes completely.

Andy


User currently offlineAndyhunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3653 times:
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Hey Joe,

This is a K64 slide from me:


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Photo © Andrew Hunt



Couldn't resist a free plug Big grin Big grin

Andrew



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User currently offlineFlygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

Gee and I thought Kodachrome was king because of its proven ability to have the colors hold up over time. It was the perfect film for recording history back in the days when most color films faded over the years. I never knew it had anything to do with making money off them. If that was my collection I would consider donating it to some historical society.

User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

LOL Dean

Well I guess I'll try out some Kodachrome then... Which ISO do you use, usually?


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Well I guess I'll try out some Kodachrome then... Which ISO do you use, usually?

Ignorring the horrible 200, Kodachrome only comes in one flavour now... 64.

Andy


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

Richard,
youve been against me talking up kodachrome forever so this is nothing new coming from you- you made a personal decision to switch from kodachrome in the 70s to prints only-(i still struggle to comprehend why but i dont think i ever will), but you should understand that people they use their slides to support their hobby which is very costly so I dont agree with what you say that " I never knew it had anything to do with making money off them" because you've known for a long time now that people acquire, trade and sell their kodachromes

Andy- nice shot, i shot the a340 in that scheme (on kodachrome) and 744 (on you know what)

Joe



User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Andy (skymonster),
you're not 100% right about the AA MD80- if you have nice shots of the AA MD80s with TWA registrations, they will very much be very valuable  Big grin

Joe


User currently offlineJetTrader From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 586 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

Shawn,

I've never shot K25. I have had a lot of nice shots on K64, which as Andy points out is the only Kodachrome available now...unless you can prise a rool of K25 from Tommy [Mogren]* or A.N.Other slide/ramp shooter who stockpiled the stuff when it went out of production.

My collection of DC8 slides is largely brought and paid for. Most of what I want isn't flying any more.

Regards,
Dean

* apologies if it wasn't you Tommy - I know someone on this forum mentioned they were going to buy a fridge full  Wink/being sarcastic



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User currently offlineSkyliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 204 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

I think Andy's understanding of the dynamics of future supply/demand for slides is right on. Thirty to forty years is a long time to wait for a big payoff, which may not be there at all in the future. As long as there are collectors, shooting extras is an excellent way to pay for film, but I think that it's dangerous to project present conditions into the long-term future. There are still good reasons for shooting slides if you want (I am), but I wouldn't be making retirement plans for 2030 based on unloading my collection of Kodachromes shot today or in the last five to ten years.
George


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

George,
ofcourse I agree with you, but especially in today's world making any long term predictions is like stock picking with darts- you just dont know. But also you see, I go to alot of conventions throughout the year here in the U.S. and abroad and I see plenty of enthusiastic collectors young and old who are in it for the long haul. Granted, if KR production ceases then there will be some very serious issues to consider. Regarding shooting kodachrome for retirement, like all investment vehicles, diversification is paramount, that is why 15% of my gross pay goes straight into my 401K and part of my gross goes into my daughter's 509b -my slide collection is not a factor. Anyone who depends on their slide collection to carry them through their retirement years is out of their mind  Big grin

Joe


User currently offlineTimdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3570 times:
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Joe, I was going trough Clint's stuff this morning and I just watched in awe.
That guy is gonna make a F%*$ing fortune with those slides.
Then again ,some people must be going broke very soon Smile

I'm not gonna bid on any of them though, way too expensive for my sake and I don't even collect oldies very much. I've decided to focus on Airbus from now on, especially the A330/A340......much cheaper alternative and still possible to get a very complete collection.

Tim




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User currently offlineN314AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Andy

Realising that there are more digital cameras out there, there will be less slide
photographers around, thus, yes, the slides will be limited. But if slides go, the
value of the older ones will not disappear. These old slides are historical archives
or artifacts. Historians and aviation photographers will pass them along to others.
They are the original photographic record of specific aircraft and will always be
in demand for publications/etc (with all due respect to the rights of the photographer).
These are of better grain and quality, which it is very difficult to reproduce in film (dupes). Same thing goes for National Geographic archives. If slides disappear
now, then would you think that the value of the Afghan Girl (cover) slide will do too? I doubt that very much.

Digital is nice in some respect as the quality has increased and you get instant
satisfaction. You can also make some money from digital as one can sell a good
print of a shot, pending that shot is not distributed on the net and the photographer
keeps it in his/her file. There are many good action shots which have been taken
by digital cameras that warrant this. Still, the digital image, if distributed in good quality,
has no value. Everyone will have it. The people on those auction sites make their image small for that purpose.

Take care

Joe Fernandez
Miami FL


User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

I have a slide on Airlinehobby as well:

http://www.airlinehobby.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=406918077

It stands at 7,50 right now... not that high, but bear in mind that it is Provia and not shot with L lenses or something.

Wietse



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25 Post contains images Db777 : Back to the retirement money from the slides issue. If he has 200,000 slides he's going to put up and he only got an average of $10 for each (ridiculo
26 Sunilgupta : Clint Groves is not trying to cash in on his collection... he apparently has serious financial problems and he says that most of that money will go to
27 Post contains links and images Skyliner : Joe: I still wonder how many slides of current items are out there, versus how many slide collectors there will be in the future; time will tell! I al
28 RayPettit : I was too spellbound by this collection. Even if I don't bid for one single item, it will be a pleasure just browsing through every few days. Its a re
29 Joe pries : George, been there done that my friend- when i started kodachrome in 1990 i had a friend that worked for the FAA and had full access at jfk, better ac
30 Post contains links Joe pries : For those of you who have read this entire thread, I thought you'd get a kick out of this comment about this slide, read on... http://airlinehobby.com
31 Post contains links Joe pries : Andy (skymonster), see link below- not only stuff from the 50's and 60's brings in heavy dough. btw, im hotshotsjp on there http://airlinehobby.com/we
32 Flpuck6 : Back up a few posts... skymonster (Andy) wrote: I think we should all get real. Specials and one-offs are one thing, but a slide of your common-or-gar
33 Db777 : George and Suni: whatever the motive I wish him the best of luck in disposing of his collection. I think he's doing the best thing by auctioning them
34 Post contains images Joe pries : Hey Don, you have some kodachromes of calder dc8 no? put one up Joe
35 Post contains links and images Carlos Borda : Boy would I love to get my hands on this one day.... View Large View MediumPhoto © Don Boyd Joe writes: >>Hey Don, you have some kodachromes of c
36 LGB Photos : OKAY......what non of you know is the reason Clint is selling this stuff is because he has BIG medical bills and needs money to pay them off. It won't
37 Alaskaairlines : Great thread Joe! I meet Joe a couple years ago (over the net, actually I just met him in person a couple of weeks back), I accidentally bumped across
38 Post contains images Alaskaairlines : Is that how much he wants for all of them? $60,000? Where did you get this LGW? I don't think you will find anybody out there who would do it, oh wait
39 Post contains images Rindt : Stephen - if he's selling that whole collection for $60,000, where can I send a cheque? The guy has close to $2000US in bids already, they aren't anyw
40 Post contains links and images Rindt : Dean, "I've never shot K25. I have had a lot of nice shots on K64, which as Andy points out is the only Kodachrome available now...unless you can pris
41 Ckw : Still, the digital image, if distributed in good quality, has no value. Everyone will have it I'm intrigued by this slide collecting ... where does th
42 Skymonster : JoePries said Andy (skymonster), see link below- not only stuff from the 50's and 60's brings in heavy dough. btw, im hotshotsjp on there With respect
43 Skymonster : Colin said: When it comes down to it, the true value of a slide is just a few pence - anything else is a highly artificial construct which can be infl
44 Alaskaairlines : Rob, very well said! BTW, did you really get to shoot 3 rolls of the Westjet B738? Must have held short for quite some time! -Dmitry
45 Post contains links and images Carlos Borda : I would say it's the limited number of *original* slides of a certain aircraft that can really drive the price up Colin... which is something that can
46 Ckw : Andy said and there is no reason why slides shouldn't be the same as anything I agree this is so (though not necesarily how it should be!), and wasn't
47 Post contains images JetTrader : Colin, Further to your suggestion that some form of digital signature be attached to a digital image to in some way distinguish it from copies to in s
48 Post contains images Skymonster : Colin said: I should say I'm not really interested in this collecting business from a personal point of view - for me an image be it slide or digital
49 Post contains images Ckw : so if you could find a way of making money from collectors through digital images, then you'd understand the concept and then that'd be fine Too right
50 Post contains images Skymonster : CKW said: I probably could of expressed myself better - what I meant was that I didn't see the image itself as having any commerical value (as slide c
51 Ckw : Andy - I accept I was using "collectors" rather loosely - I'm sure you're right in distinguishing traders from collectors (is there a pecking order in
52 Db777 : In response to the Calder DC8 shot of mine in the above postings, that slide has already been promised to Phil Glatt who asked for it many years ago a
53 Timdegroot : As for my point of view: I think slidetrading/collecting has a very secure future. It's in people's nature to collect things and as long as the slides
54 Post contains images Timdegroot : Oh, and I'll sleep very comfortably this night, as I checked my dad's collection and there's a very nice Calder shot in there as well Tim
55 Joe pries : Tim, I can only imagine what your dad has in his collection- man o man. Don- ref what you said about me selling dupes, yes indeed, dupes of old airpla
56 Bruce : With all this talk of "slides" what's the difference between offering a big 8x10 PRINT captured on a digital cam? Why only slides? bruce
57 Timdegroot : Bruce, there are people who collect prints as well. I even did it myself till early this year. A few reasons for me to change were: -Slides are way be
58 Bruce : Ok.....DUH! I notice that site specifically says "airliner slides" but what about auctioning PRINTS somewhere? People will also pay for prints too, es
59 Timdegroot : Bruce I didn't say there isn't market for prints. cause there is. But your mixing 2 things up I think, selling prints to print-traders, which is not v
60 Alaskaairlines : Bruce, another reason is, I think slides are very unique, can't imagine storing 8x10's like people store slides. 20 slides per page is not bad, but pr
61 Tomh : Regarding the subject of this thread you have brought up. With a little prompting from you, my friend, I posted my first Kodachrome on the auction sit
62 Post contains images Rindt : Regarding the issue of younger guys not taking up Kodachrome slides, that's very much not the case. I've sucessfully switched two guys into shooting t
63 Post contains images Joe pries : You're welcome Tom, i'm very pleased for you and am pleased anytime I help any one out with this stuff (hell im just happy someone actually listens to
64 Post contains images Carlos Borda : Please Rob.. stop this talk. Your frightening me... Kodak has been saying over and over again that K64 going to be sticking around for a while.... but
65 Post contains images Sunilgupta : Re: film: Rob, what is your reason for not liking Provia? Just because it’s Fuji? To add my two cents to the debate: The group of people who shoot s
66 Alaskaairlines : Sunil, I don't think its not the reason for not liking the stuff, its actually got nicer grain. Chrome is developed by Kodak and nobody else, Fuji (E6
67 Post contains images Sunilgupta : Thanks Dmitry. I was more interested in Rob's specific reason for making the statement that he didn't like Provia. I shot Kodachrome for more than ten
68 Alaskaairlines : Right on Sunil! Chrome is also a very rugged heavy duty film compared to green. -Dmitry
69 Post contains links Alaskaairlines : Hello guys! Thought this might be something you want: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1941119391 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d
70 LGB Photos : Not all of the shots that Clint is selling were shot by him. I am willing to bet that NON OF YOU can guess who the original guy was who started shooti
71 Andyhunt : Mel Lawrence or George Hamlin? Andrew
72 Carlos Borda : I'll also go with Mel Lawrence on this one... ~Los
73 Timdegroot : "The group of people who shoot side-on 50mm Kodachrome shots are a somewhat exclusive group. Many of us are excluded because we simply don’t have th
74 Sunilgupta : I sold 18 rolls of K25 on ebay for more than $225! I wish I had the opportunity to use them myself :-( Sunil
75 Tomh : Look for me under username TomH1 Tom Hildreth
76 Post contains images Joe pries : OK Tom, at the end of the year i'll give you my address to forward my 5% cut of the action
77 Alaskaairlines : Clint says in his comment that somebody else shot the slides, check the link. But, he's probably not the original guy. -Dmitry
78 Tomh : Geez, I knew there was a catch somewhere! Actually, I have done well with my military extras more than airliners. Seems like any time I upload an F-4
79 Post contains images Rindt : Tim et al, "The group of people who shoot side-on 50mm Kodachrome shots are a somewhat exclusive group. Many of us are excluded because we simply don&
80 Joe pries : "just because many people shoot something doesn't necessarily mean many people shoot it well", and by that I mean that there are plenty of guys who s
81 Skyliner : Andy: I wish that I had been shooting when the "original" began working! George
82 LGB Photos : Ok the answer to my question is Larry Smalley. He is also the same guy that you will notice is listed or going to be listed as the person who took a l
83 Post contains images Glenn : Joe, only just returned and started to read a few of the comments. Interesting indeed but I think I'd prefer to get paid now than wait for 20 years Mi
84 Alaskaairlines : Hello Glenn! Hows the new full time job coming along? -Dmitry
85 Post contains images Joe pries : Glenn, full time job? enquiring minds want to know
86 Glenn : Joe check your email
87 Alaskaairlines : Glenn, mind forwarding some info to mine also: dema@cyberlynx.ak.net ? Thanks! -Dmitry
88 Post contains images S.p.a.s. : Hi... My 0.02 on the subject: We don't have KR down here in Brazil, so we have to use E6 films. Actually my main collection is made of prints, but, as
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