Db777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 47 Posted (11 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2639 times:
Bad news for those in the Orlando area and those who were thinking of going there. This state is developing a bad case of the dumbass.
Airport viewing spot to be fenced
By Tim Barker | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted December 10, 2002
The Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority will begin fencing off a popular parking area today near a pair of Orlando International Airport runways -- if the weather cooperates.
Some 3,000 feet of chain-link fence will be moved closer to the access road that lies just north of the runways, eliminating parking areas where observers have stopped for decades to watch planes land and take off.
Expressway authority spokesman Steve Pustelnyk said the work would take four to five days to complete, though it could be delayed if Monday's poor weather continues.
"If it's raining like it has been, I'm told it's just too wet to pour concrete and put posts up," Pustelnyk said.
The fence movement was requested by the airport and approved by the city of Orlando, citing security concerns following the recent, failed missile attack on an Israeli-owned jetliner leaving Kenya.
The airport's action has drawn mixed reviews from plane watchers and aviation experts alike. Some applaud it as a way to increase security at the airport, while others call it a knee-jerk reaction.
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5472 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2535 times:
You gotta be f**king kidding me, another reason why I hate this city. Guess I'll have to stand across the street then! I can see it now, the cops busting me for standing in a public area watching planes (because we all know that's a suspicous activity now). Hey, lets ban happiness too while we're at it.
Msh744 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 463 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2525 times:
I'm not sure how much space this new fencing will be covering, but won't it be just as easy to use a missile to shoot down a plane with the fence there? I don't really see their logic. Again, just an opinion.
Db777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 47 Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2440 times:
Let's all hurl at once and mail it all to MCO...........damn this is nauseating.
Plane-watchers lose prime spot near airport
By Tim Barker
Sentinel Staff Writer
December 12, 2002
Three men, some metal poles and a fence-post driver. That's all it took Wednesday for one of the public's most intimate views of Orlando International Airport to start going away.
It should take less than a week for the Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority to close off an area frequented for decades by plane enthusiasts, tourists and people just looking to kill time.
According to a letter from Orlando transportation engineer Harry Campbell to the expressway authority, a new fence will be erected 14 feet from the edge of McCoy Road, which turns into Frontage Road. The spot offers prime viewing of planes coming and going from two of the airport's three runways.
To further discourage anyone from trying to use the remaining, unfenced portion, a host of "No Parking Tow-away Zone" signs will be spaced along the new fence line.
While the action was requested by the airport -- citing security concerns in the wake of a failed missile attack on a jet in Kenya -- the final decision to eliminate the parking area was made by the city of Orlando.
Initially it appeared there might be a discussion on the issue, with council member Phil Diamond, whose district includes the airport, saying he wanted it brought before the entire City Council.
But the mayor's top deputy, Richard Levey, gave the go-ahead to close the area late last week. The mayor's spokeswoman, Susan Blexrud, defended the fast decision.
"Basically this is an administrative function. It's not anything that needs to go to council," Blexrud said. "I can appreciate that there are people out there who like to sit and watch airplanes go over. But this is a security issue."
Diamond also is now happy with the decision.
"Our country is at war. A lot of people are making sacrifices," he said. "I think it's a prudent measure."
Those security arguments, however, have drawn mixed reviews from aviation experts.
Some have applauded the move, saying it does eliminate one possible approach for terrorists hoping to attack airplanes with shoulder-launched missiles. At the same time, they point out that video surveillance of the area would accomplish the same thing.
Others have been more critical, calling it an overreaction that only damages Orlando International's relationship with the public.
"This is a sad day," said George Hamlin, vice president of Global Aviation Associates, a Washington, D.C., consulting firm.
He said the action does little to offset the threat of a missile attack -- considering the vast stretches of undeveloped land around the airport -- while taking away one of the airport's ties to the community.
"Is it going to cause catastrophic, economic havoc? No. But on the other hand, there may be a time when the airport is looking for community support, and it may be harder to come by," he said.
For now, plane enthusiasts appear to be out of options.
There seems to be little hope that the space will be resurrected as an official viewing area, like those found at airports scattered across the country. And even some of those, including one near Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport, have also fallen victim to tightened security.
The Orlando parking area, which stretches along some 3,000 feet of McCoy Road between South Conway Road and State Road 436, was never intended to be used for its current purpose. It just sort of evolved that way, with the city tending the land and keeping it clear for plane watchers.
And even if the airport and city wanted to make it an official viewing area, they would have some work to do in persuading the expressway authority, which owns the land, to go along with it.
Authority spokesman Steve Pustelnyk said the land is likely to be consumed in the future by an expansion of the Bee Line Expressway, which parallels McCoy at that point.
"As the area develops, we'd like to take that road out of there," Pustelnyk said.
There does not appear to be any plan to consider a viewing area elsewhere. City officials say any such plan would have to be initiated by the airport.
"That's something the airport would have to decide," Blexrud said.
Airport officials say that economic and security conditions have ruled out any such talk.
"We have not considered an observation area and currently would not consider one," spokeswoman Carolyn Fennell said.
Tim Barker can be reached at email@example.com or 407-420-5022.
Copyright (c) 2002, Orlando Sentinel
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727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5914 posts, RR: 18 Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2411 times:
The approach to Tampa's runway 18R takes airplanes near a parking lot for a bowling alley. OK, are they gonna close the bowling alley because a terrorist could be in the parking lot???? IT'S F**KIN' RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!
Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5472 posts, RR: 52 Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2409 times:
From what I could see today, most of the fence is up, if not all of it. I didn't save my letter to the paper that I sent, so I have to start over to the one for the city. I'm ready to pound some heads in.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3786 posts, RR: 24 Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2410 times:
Truly a sad day not only for MCO enthusiasts but all enthusiast. What this 'Mickey Mouse' town has done is set a dangerous precedent that is no doubt being closely observed by other cities and airport operators nationwide.
IwantaBBJ From Ireland, joined Jun 2002, 771 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2380 times:
I feel bad for all of you there in Florida... I've visited FL 9 times so far, and it looks as if I (and many others) won't come back for a long time....
I do see some hope for FLL as this park can easily be reopened (from what I've heard, there are no permanent installations to prevent spotters from entering) and that petition-list is getting longer, but a fence is not going to be removed that quickly.....
I'll miss those days at Frontage road with a nice southerly breeze and planes comin' in low
Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 23 Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2376 times:
Wait till B757300 hears about this!
It's silly though.With spotters nearby the chances of taking out a plane at the airport is much lower as it would take some time to erect some machinery surely?Still,why destroy a hobby for many when it will make not decrease the chances of an attack on a plane when some missiles now are effective up to 15,000 ft or so.I live about 50miles from Stansted yet planes going into STN come over my house around 15,000ft just for an example so it's possible to take down a plane almost anywhere(apart from Dakota)
Vh320 From Venezuela, joined May 2000, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2332 times:
I live in Orlando and I had a terrible feeling when I saw the fence by McCoy Rd. Whoever made the decision is a stupid ***hole". This place used to be an excellent area to enjoy our hobby and also to meet people. Security is the most stupid excuse City of Orlando has just to close this area. This is like a funeral for all the aviation "lovers" on the area including myself. Once again, whoever is involved on this I just say ironically " thank you". Anyone could provide me the address of City of Orlando just to send them a friendly letter to explain them what the hobby is all about. I might email the reporter who wrote the article on the Sentinel just to give him my opinion. Orlando spotters and fans, email me to let me know if we can do something about this, I doubt it, but I would like at least to express them our feelings.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5914 posts, RR: 18 Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week ago) and read 2303 times:
Well, here's an idea! Pack a bycycle in your trunk, then park at the western most economy lot. From there it is a short cycle ride to runways. If you see a cop or security, just start pedaling, and you can peddle to the Delta Air Cargo also. Hey, with Xmas approaching, is that economy lot on the south side open? I think it would have some good views.
Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5472 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2284 times:
If you peddle to the DAL cargo, the cops will be waiting for your arrival there as well . I've been kicked out 2 times now, the last time a guy came out and said someone had called OPD out and that we should get out of there ASAP.
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5472 posts, RR: 52 Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2267 times:
Stand across the street in that big grass median? I know across the way there is a dirt road (actually leads over by the comair hangar), a pretty good spot in the mornings for runway 17. Don't know if the cops know of it yet
I'm going out for a bit tomorrow and maybe Friday (but the wx is looking somewhat bad for Friday).
Tu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2255 times:
I got kicked out of the DL lot and I work for DL!!!!!(I was showing a Brit friend of mine around....I drove down from ATL). This whole freakin security mess has gone thru the roof!!! I often wonder..........do any of the knee jerk morons realize all of the 9/11 jackasses had tickets AND went thru security?!?!?!? The TSA is a joke as are all of the new rules. I'm gonna start spotting buses and cabs...........
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5472 posts, RR: 52 Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2224 times:
As I see it, this airport is about dead for photography. Runway 17 is the only spot to watch a/c now at Orlando (DL, WN, FL, JB, VS, BA). Wonder how long it will be before they somehow 'secure' that spot (i.e.-I.D. check etc). I better shut up before I give them more ideas.
Dlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1871 posts, RR: 21 Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2209 times:
I've parked in Delta Cargo's lot (thanks to Dazed767 for telling me about it) about three times in the last three months or so and never had a problem at all. People saw me with my camera and everything but didn't say anything. Go figure. And now with 18L/R gone the only place I'll be able to take pictures from is in the terminal when I fly and in the planes while I'm flying. Damn you Orlando!
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