Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 529 posts, RR: 18 Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1718 times:
Ouch - that is disappointing - I'd have my doubts, as the compositing has been very well done - if Gregg had bothered to change the numbers as well, I don't think I'd question it.
Perhaps Gregg would care to explain why he did this - to get one over on the screeners? If so, well done, he's demonstrated what we've said all along - we're fallible. I hope he considers sacrificing his reputation as one of A.net's better photographers worth it - he's certainly been around long enough to know this kind of thing is not acceptable. The comments suggest this is a deliberate attempt to deceive rather than a bit of fun, and I think A.net as a whole suffers because of it.
Maybe it was just an excess of Xmas cheer (the bottled variety )
AdrianPing From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2002, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1708 times:
Hi Skymonster,
Greetings from Bristol (England)
Absolutely agreed. I've looked very closely at the picture of the three F-18 aircraft and there is no doubt this is a Photoshop manipulation (or whatever package was used). In particular, it seems impossible that the star-like reflections on the cockpit canopies could be identical.
Same for the lower picture, where the serial on the fuse is the same on both aircraft.
However I must congratulate the photographer on a truly outstanding cut-out. Beautifully done!
JeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 53 Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1651 times:
Having been in more then one U.S. Navy squadrons, and having been on carriers, Naval Air Stations, etc. I can tell you I have never seen two planes from the same squadron with the same buno/side numbers. Ever.
Ljungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 900 posts, RR: 40 Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1594 times:
"The penalty for uploading a fake (and somehow managing to get it past the screeners) is swift and severe : removal of all other photos on the database and banishment from uploading ever again."
This is what a member of the A.net crew stated in another thread a while ago.
Goboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2630 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1582 times:
I say give him a second chance. Obviously these pictures need to be removed from the database. But he's taken some really good shots that are not fakes:
If it happens a second time, however, I think any photographer should be banned from airliners.net. This website is way too good to have fake pictures mixed in with real ones that are incredible.
Goboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2630 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1576 times:
Looks like Ljungdahl posted his post as I was writing mine. I didn't know that there was this policy. I guess if that's the standard, then the website should stick to it. If they didn't, then people might try to see just how much they can get by the screeners without it being noticed. I'm surprised that those 2 F-18 shots were not noticed though.
Goboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2630 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1575 times:
Something else I just thought of...who's to say he doesn't just forget about his 601 photos and start uploading his new ones under a different name? No one. Just something to think about...(eliminating 599 good ones for 2 bad ones and having more good ones come from "someone else").
J.mo From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 640 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1544 times:
I like the fact that only the bottom F/A-18 of the three has exhaust coming from the engines. I don't believe it was an "accidental" upload based on the comments with the picture.
Jeremy
What is the difference between Fighter pilots and God? God never thought he was a fighter pilot.
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 529 posts, RR: 18 Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1519 times:
Johan will decide what if any action is necessary. IMHO the fact that he has lost a lot of respect plus the fact that his pics will be subjected to the minutest scrutiny in future if he is allowed and chooses to continue uploading may be penalty enough.
As for the oversight in screening - well the fact is that there are photographers from whom we have come to expect work of a consistently high standard - both in terms of technical and aesthetic quality. Gregg WAS one of those - he has produced great airshow pics in the past, and personally, having not been at this show, I would have no reason to doubt that such a formation flight actually occurred. If you're not looking for it, the identical codes could easily be missed.
Yes, we were sloppy with this screening because Gregg was trusted - I feel this trust has been abused.
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1511 times:
If you look at the pilots in the first photo, none of them are looking at the aircraft above them that they are in formation with, thats a dead give-away that somthing is amiss.
Photopilot From Cuba, joined Jul 2002, 2439 posts, RR: 20 Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1496 times:
I have one other thought on this issue.
Trust is lost with this individual.
Will one of the screeners, or some other person go back in the database and with painstaking thoroughness re-examine all other submissions from this photographer? We are all assuming that this is the first instance of manipulation. Could there have been others that have also slipped past? When I see a photo such as the two opposing contrails photo posted above, I now wonder ? ? ? ?
Once trust and integrity are lost......... what more is there to say.
Unfortunately, I have dial-up Internet access and it would take far too long to examine the large versions of 600 submissions or I would volunteer.
Remember the old adage.....
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1489 times:
Sadly, I have to go with the overall consensus. Gregg's work always had a certain charm but as Steve suggested much of his previous work is now subject to some severe scrutiny in particular the more unusual images such as the B1B bomber breaking the sound barrier.
However I would like to hear his side on this.......
Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1481 times:
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5447 posts, RR: 53 Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1471 times:
Sheesh, I can't back him up there (I took it into PS, and I can see where it was copied). I don't think he should be banned though, he wouldn't try it again I'm sure.
Fotodj From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 87 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1458 times:
Adrian:
"However I must congratulate the photographer on a truly outstanding cut-out.
Beautifully done!"
This is nothing beautifully done in that kind of manipulation because it takes 25 second to copy plane and paste it somewhere else . Notice the sky is very uniform and you do not have to cut out airplane, you just take it with a little sky around it and move it to the next spot.
Here you go :
It took me about 2 minutes on Photoshop.
Greg, I do not think you should do it again, try just to take real formation :
Lindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3072 posts, RR: 15 Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1453 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW HEAD DATABASE EDITOR
Derek,
That one F-18 in the lower right hand corner flying out of formation is HILARIOUS!!!! Thanks for giving me my first real laugh all day!
Glenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
hey now that's starting to look like a real convincable scene from Independance day. You know the when all the Hornets are flying to launch the missiles etc etc.
25 PUnmuth@VIE: As Charles Falk said in another thread some months ago: "One you are screwed you lost virginity" http://www.pbase.com/image/9595880/original Spot the
26 EGFF: Clickhappy ..... regarding the thread you posted in which Dmitry was making a fool of himself .... i noticed he's very critical towards other peoples
27 Ljungdahl: PUnmuth@VIE wrote: Spot the error OE-LBR should be an A320...
28 PUnmuth@VIE: OE-LBR should be an A320... --> true but its OE-LBA who was the third in this formation Peter
29 Alaskaairlines: Beautiful photos, but the manipulation is sadening. But I don't think he should be banned - we all make mistakes - including me...... Royal, why did y
30 FACT: I would just like to clarify that my words quoted in Reply 10 was my personal interpretation of A.net penalties, not an official A.net policy (i.e. Jo
32 Clickhappy: Actually Dmitry, it wasn't your comments I was drawing peoples attention to...
33 Joe pries: From one of my websites for the buyers & sellers to read which applies here also: "We are a community of people who love various forms of transportati
34 Avroarrow: OK, maybe I'll make an arse of myself here, but I guess someone has to say it. Would it be possible for the fakes to have been uploaded by someone els
35 NonRevKing: That's exactly what I was thinking Ed. I've talked with Greg via email frequently. I really didn't get the impression that he would pull a stunt like
36 Lennymuir: Two parrots on a perch. One says to the other, "...can you small fish?..." I can. I'm sure I mentioned this possibility about two years. The upload is
37 Lennymuir: Failed miserably: "...can you smell fish?..."
38 Sabena 690: Yes, did he give already an explanation? I mailed him yesterday, waiting for a reply... /Frederic
39 Ckw: Before this gets out of hand, and the conspiracy theories start escalating, the matter has been dealt with by Johan. Gregg has put his hand up, a mist
40 Alaskaairlines: End of story - glad the outcome was good.........keep the falcons coming Greg! -Dmitry
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