KLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1670 times:
I find it really hilarious to beleive that so many people stress out about getting their pictures accepted here. Having just recently tarted uploading, I have gotten about a 50% rejection rate. But that doesnt bother me. There are lots of other webistes where I can share miy pictures with others, and I dont NEED to have my pictures up here. I really enjoy this site for its high quality yet interesting and vast selection.
Of course, if a picture of mine gets rejected for a reason I disagree with, I leave it at that. I could never see myself Appealing a decision. I upload my pictures the way I like them and if they are rejected then I won't change them to fit the screener's needs. I'm happy with the way it looks so thats how it will remain.
I'm glad to be able to share the pictures that did make it here with everyone, but I wont loose any sleep over a rejection.
I dont go out to the airport to take pictures FOR this site, I go out to take pictures FOR myself. For my enjoyment. If those pictures happen to bring others joy then thats wonderful!
But hey. Point is: don't stress, have fun and enjoy your passion.
Avroarrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1046 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1628 times:
Yep, I take my pics for myself and friends and if the sites criticism or acceptance helps me take better pictures, then so be it. Although I have to admit that I do check my hit counter a few times a week because the vain part of me likes to think that others might enjoy my pictures too.
Give me a mile of road and I can take you a mile. Give me a mile of runway and I can show you the world.
Qantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1627 times:
I've been uploading for a couple of months and have only once started a thread about a rejected picture-but that was mainly because I found the 'badscan' a bit non specific to start with. I haven't appealed any rejections but if a rejected pic is fixable (badlevel, badinfo etc) I'll try and fix it and upload a second time.
Since going digital I have found a level of enthusiasm for photography that I just didn't have before. I've been to LHR every day (bar one) so far this year including the first few days when the weather was simply awful and there was never any chance of getting A.net standard pictures-but I simply enjoy the photography itself.
I don't get quite so enthusiastic about the processing though, nearly all the pictures I've taken so far this year are still in RAW format and will get processed as time permits.
you can't buy time but you can sell your soul and the closest thing to heaven is to rock'n'roll
AAGOLD From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 550 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1596 times:
I think the truth lies somewhere inbetween what's being said here. As a photographer and one who loves both photography and aviation the enjoyment I derive from taking the pictures is enough in itself. That I like the picture I took, well, that's icing on the cake. A.net gives me the opportunity to share those photos with others. Some may like what I've done, some maynot. But the sparkles are added when someone sends an e-mail complimenting you on a shot or just inquiring about where it was taken. Then you know that someone else enjoyed your work also. It's important for us to get external feedback from others, both the good and the bad. Through it and because of it we all grow in our hobby. But, the most important thing is that you like the work you did not whether A.net accepts it or not.
Bwc1976 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1463 times:
If the standards here weren't becoming so anal in the first place, then people wouldn't be stressing so much. I mean, of course there are some pictures that are obviously crap and don't belong, but I see a lot more these days that are perfectly decent but still get rejected for some tiny thing. Every picture here doesn't *have* to be totally grainless, spotless, totally professional quality (although that's certainly worth striving for). If they look about as good as what's already been accepted in the past, and there isn't a space problem, then what's the problem? Live a little.
Tomh From United States of America, joined May 1999, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1445 times:
Great attitude! You should continue to have fun with this hobby if you can maintain this viewpoint. Some people have a bit too much emotion wrapped up in their photos. When it comes to rejections, this really seems to impede the learning process. Some people seem to want to show how well they can argue, rather than to learn what the problem is and get past it.
A few thoughts on rejections, and why we should discuss them. We need to do this to understand the upload criteria and meaning of the rejection messages. It helps us improve our work through a self-checking process. It is best done with a level head, and should NEVER be done with the common complaint "my picture was better than this one,how come mine was rejected and his was accepted"? (Often linked to another photographer's picture).
Lately I have been uploading about 10 pictures per week. My rejection rate is currently about 25%. The reason given for the last 6-7 rejections has been very accurate. I look at the rejected images on my hard drive, and sure enough, the problem described by the screener is right there in front of me. If I have spent a fair amount of time preparing the image and it was rejected, that's dissapointing to me, but it's not a reason to complain about the rejection. It's up to me to fix the problem or just get over it.The screeners are doing a great job.
Some rejection parameters are more troublesome than others. In particular, the "Not level" statement. I personally do not agree that the horizon should be the governing factor. I think if buildings or fence posts are visible, and are large anough, their vertical aspect should be accepted rather than referencing the horizon, which in the first place is seldom level. Complicating this, the rejection statement for "not level" does not contain a hint as to which direction the screener would like to see the image rotated. In some cases, the deviance is so slight it would be helpful to advise the photographer which way to go with image rotation when attempting a correction. Still, none of this is a reason for a complaint about the screeners.
Not sure if I would have said all this the same way when I was 19 or 20 years old, but this is how it looks to me now.
Staffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1419 times:
Never really understood why some people get so worked up over a rejection. I get rejections too, and when I do, most of the times I understand why it was knocked back and I never bother to appeal, I just keep them for myself.
USAir_757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 996 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1382 times:
I have a lonely 17 photos in the database. Are they good? Not really. I could have DEFINITELY done better. At first, I had a 100% rejection rate. When I stopped uploading, I had a 40-50% acceptance rate. I stopped uploading due to lack of time/money to continue this hobby. Hopefully I can make a comeback this summer, that's if airports aren't guarded by concrete walls by then.
My point? Don't give up. If I gave up I would not have any photos in the database. Was I a whiner? Absolutely, then I learned my lesson.
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1365 times:
If people didn't get worked up about rejections, both this forum and the e-mail inbox of the screeners would be somewhat more pleasant places to be on occasions. As a screener, having been subjected to some of the backlash from peoples' stress over rejections, I have reach the conclusion that a lot of the stress is simply due to rejection rather than inclusion or exclusion from this site. Of course people want their pictures here, but I believe that the people who get annoyed primarily get annoyed because they feel they've invested a lot of time and effort working on a picture, and merely get a rejection by return - no one likes rejection, no matter what the consequences (or in the case of airliners.net, lack of any really meaningful consequences!).
Of course, there is also the issue of "inclusion" which I've seen causing stress. Some newbies seem to desperately want to become a part of the airliners.net photographer community, and by that I mean have pictures in the database (for whatever reason), and a string of initial rejections will sometimes raise their stress levels to the point where a verbal backlash is dispatched to us one way or another.
AAGOLD said: A.net gives me the opportunity to share those photos with others. Some may like what I've done, some maynot.
I think that if a photographer fundamentally take this view, then its unlikely that they'll get really stressed about rejections. However, and to contradict to an extent what I said above, if a photographer sees getting pictures onto airliners.net as some sort of competition or having their pictures on airliners.net as a platform for getting their pictures noticed and making some money out of them (and some photographers do view airliners.net is this way), then the stress levels will almost inevitably be higher.
I offer no solutions because there will always be the two diametrically opposed views. I used to get a bit upset about the criticism of the screening process and the screeners the sometimes crops up, but I don't anymore. We screeners implement the policies of airliners.net, we don't make the policies, and in that role I can live with rejecting pictures that don't meet the criteria, whatever the photographer thinks of me or the process.