EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12426 posts, RR: 40 Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4149 times:
damnit, you beat me to it Johan, guess I wasn't paying attention (I went into the civil aviation forum and then decided against it, so I deleted civil_aviation in the address bar and replaced it with aviation_photography, thus bypassing visiting this forum).
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5447 posts, RR: 53 Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4072 times:
Good god that's frightening, if I were on that flight I'd be s**ttin bricks at that point. Awsome shot!
N178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1626 posts, RR: 69 Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4063 times:
Hi Johan
Thanks for the plug here Just wake up in Bangkok hotel, a nice morning sweet gift to me!!
hehe I will comp you back someday
It was my 1st time to Phuket and god the place, setting and spot are just heavenly perfect, anyone with a 200mm about will do just well as I do and I have a few more good one to come!!!
The Domodedovo shows a real moment of tense and struggle! I really thought it won't make it at one stage! ....coz I was almost at 3/4 end of the Runway, and the thing just still rolling with NO sights of rotate at all!!!! But it did get airborne right at the end of the runway. I suppose it carried all Russian jetsetters back all the way to Russia. Earlier the day, there was a Kras Air in TransEuropean Color IL86, he went to Utappo, and took 3/4 of the R unway too, HKT have a 3000 meter runway I believe!
I also remember seeing an IL86 take off from Rwy 20 in Barcelona, Marlo Plate said they did that a lot and it is really scarey to see they finally airborne at the very end!
I saw the following in HKT on a 2 day weekend there 18-19/1
Domodedovo IL96
Kras Air IL86
Novair A332
Finnair B757
Condor B753
Lauda B763 Daily
China A300, B738
FAT MD-90
Uni Air MD-90
Orient Thai B747 x2
Cambodia Sky Eyes AN-24
Malaysian b737
Silk Air A320
Bangkok Air All colorful B717, ATR72s
Privatair B737-700 HB-IIP
Thai everything except the MD11
About every 20min or so averagly, you get a plane there, not too bad, weatherwise condition is lot better than Bangkok, without haze and pure soft blue sky.
Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4038 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW PHOTO SCREENER
Sam,
I will be free on the 7-9th. Where are we meeting???? Denver? Vegas? SLC? Email me!
Alaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4026 times:
Sam, excellent photo! I was on my way to make a thread when I saw 2 already.
Hope we can meet up in ANC this summer, D100 action here would be simply fatastic!
B744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4008 times:
THIS PHOTO IS FAKE.
I'm 99,9% sure.
just compare it http://www.airliners.net/open.file/312682/L/
and this one http://www.airliners.net/open.file/183755/L/
both photos show what is supposed to be the same rwy end (RWY27) and on IL96 photo you can also see "27"
But now compare:
1) totally different shape at the end of runway - on 757 landing you clearly see that rwy extends to the left and right for 180 degrese turn and lineup, but on IL96 photo rwy extends only to only side.
2) count the white parralel markings just before digits "27" - on IL96 photo there are 6+6, but on 757 photo it is 5+5
3) the shadow from IL96 is not realictic enough
4) VASI approach lights supposed to be around 200 meteres from each other, while on IL96 takeoff you can see them quite close.
B744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3990 times:
I'm not photographer (but have 1 or 2 pics here however),
I'm asking the questions. Even forget 3) and 4) that's could be due to lens and lighting - but 1) and 2) are still valid. Explain me - and I will take my words back.
Ljungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 900 posts, RR: 40 Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3975 times:
B744F wrote:
I'm not photographer (but have 1 or 2 pics here however)
Copyright violation, then?
Q #1 and #2: ever heard about construction work? From time to time buildings, train stations, roads and even airports change shape. The AY B757 approach photo was shot in 2001, it's 2003 now...
B744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3952 times:
I've just scanned CURRENT Phuket chart http://www.hot.ee/aviation/vtsp.gif
Sorry for bad quality (paper in Jeppesen manuals is almost transparent) however rwy27's stopway shape is clearly seen
B744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3941 times:
Skymonster,
Huh, is that the normal way of discussion here to press others relaying on "rating" and asking "show us your photos" when you have nothing to explain the valid points.... "Gimme a break!" - I don't need respect of such people... I'm politely asking for explanations and will take my words back if I'll got them.
p.s. just seen your reply in nearby topic on the same shot.. could you imagine that someone is not wasting time here to earn "rating" but earning money doing the real things? I've been a quite frequent visitor here some time ago, but not the last year... You can trace my messages, dates and topics I'm participated at..........
B744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3931 times:
Nope, the answers are not right - even if there was a construction work recently it hasn't changed the rwy end config and you can see current official chart I've provided.
OK. that's enough. the truth is somewhere else, leaving you all now for a while.
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3928 times:
OK B744F, you asked...
I'm not even going to check into the issues you raise to justify your claim that the photo is fake. I don't need to. There are some people who contribute photos to this site who in my opinion simply wouldn't risk their reputation by doing such a stupid thing as faking a photo like that. Sam is one of those people. Instead of making accusations in this forum, why not ask Sam about the picture? If, having insulted his integrity, he's still prepared to talk to you, I suspect he'll explain the photo to you.
Andy
PS: Notice I underlined the words "in my opinion", and yes, it is only my opinion. However, given that I am a screener here, my opinion does have some impact on the acceptance process, albeit not that I screened this picture.
Sudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4127 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3868 times:
B744F,
do you lack the need of attention!?
For someone who can't state anything about yourself in your profile, I put very little value in what you write.
What are you occupation for ex.? It sure must be something involving pro. photo, right?
Or do you maybe design and build rwy's?
Or is it simply that you had to get everyone started cause Sam got alot of credit for a great photo?
Timdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 67 Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3849 times:
Who volunteers to bury this guy?
Nuff said!
Tim
Alderman Exit
25 Tsentsan: Hey guys, Got to go easy on him. Perhaps he's suffering from the after-effects of all the war thats been going on in his home country (Afghanistan)...
26 B744F: Staffan, OK - I agree it could explain why turning area looks different on two photos. I'm not 100% sure but at least it is first reasonable one. Howe
27 Ckw: B744F - you have accused a reputable photographer of fakery based on an obvious lack of photographic knowledge - your "photographic" evidence is easil
28 Sudden: B744F wrote "other aviation professional questioned it as well." So you do actually think you are a pro on the subject. If you would be a pro you woul
29 FUAirliner: B744F, even if you were right (it has clearly been proven that you're NOT), why would Sam add a sixth white line and a false runway end to his shot? W
30 Alaskaairlines: Last thing I thought could happen to this thread! -Dmitry
31 Carlos Borda: There's no need for an established photog like Sam to alter his shot to this extreme. It would only question his skills and reputation if he did so...
32 Skyguy11: I am a pilot and I do know that for each 50' of runway width on a runway with a precision approach (such as the one pictured)... they put 1 bar on eit
33 Skyguy11: Oh and I just noticed the chart said the runway width is 150'... so I guess just divide everything I just said by two :P... shows what I know ahaha
34 Clickhappy: typical punk. Causes a shit storm and then "leaves us for a while" Jealousy is an ugly thing. I'm not sure who is more miserable, this guy or the yo-y
35 Aviasian: I was in Phuket to undertake some photography (Dec 2002) and at that time, the runway was indeed being re-surfaced . . . and the markings were being r
36 AirFX: I suppose someone has to learn that the world is not perfectly level, not perfectly 'spherical' for that matter... Maybe a little about telephoto comp
37 AirFX: Sorry for the double post, but might I add... Sure, the VASI lights are 200 away from the end of the extension...feet. The top scale is in increments
38 Serge: Damn... Some take words too seriously from the internet. Honestly, whos going to believe that photo is actually fake? No need to argue about it with s
39 Sudden: " was in Phuket to undertake some photography (Dec 2002) and at that time, the runway was indeed being re-surfaced . . . and the markings were being r
40 N178UA: Sorry about the very late reply, I am in Beijing now, and sometimes you cannot always get wired when travelling. B744F This shot in NO WAY it is fake,
41 N178UA: Ok here is the 5 shot series (not 6 , took slide in between with slide camera) I would like to thank everyone here who think my shot is genuine, in fa
42 Ckw: Sam - I think only B744F had the crassness to question your photography - I doubt you'll get an apology from him ... but I wouldn't worry about it too
43 N178UA: Hey Colin I am cooling off now, was just thinking to go out here and run around couplt laps to cool myself off, it is -10 degress with lots of snow on
44 Skymonster: Sam said: I will NEVER provide a fake shot to get credit, and to jeapodise my good reputation. I demand an appology here. But please think again, befo
45 Ckw: I understand where you are coming from Andy, but perhaps this thread indicates otherwise. Sam's picture was vindicated, I don't think his reputation h
46 Fly-K: Sam, the other photos are impressive too - how much time did you spend faking them all? Now seriously, how close did the aircraft get to the trees? Ko
47 EGGD: Sam - I'd upload 3 and 5 too, very interesting pictures!!
48 CPH-R: So, I suppose it's illegal from now on to even mention the word fake on this forum if the photographer has a) a certain respect rating, b) more than 1
49 Staffan: "THIS PHOTO IS FAKE." "I'm 99,9% sure." No he didn't say he was 100% sure. He could have asked, "has this runway been widened?" and "are you sure this
50 Ckw: CPH-R - no, as has been said many, many times, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about querying a photo 1 - first ask the photographer, polit
51 Gerardo: I think, all of Sam's pics shown in reply nr. 41 are fakes. Yes I'm sure. The reality is, it was an old Cessna heading down a grass field (look at pic
52 Joge: Looks like the Il-96 should go for a go-around soon... J/k Great pic Sam! Taken with a Nikon, of course. -Joge
53 Je89_w: Sam, nice shot! Pretty amazing! B744F does not know what he's talking about! Ignore that crazy guy!
54 Gerardo: Taken with a Nikon, of course. Joge, that's perhaps, why B744F thought it was a fake OK, I'll stop now Regards Gerardo
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