Sponsor Message:
Aviation Photography Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Bad Weather: Should We Bother?  
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

In another, now locked thread, we were discussing being more selective in uploads.

On the same general topic, should I even bother taking pictures when the weather is poor? Sometimes you are someplace where you don't live, and you've managed to edge in a few hours to do some spotting at an interesting airport, and your luck runs out with the weather.

I think like the shots below are not bad. What do you guys think. Do you want to see such shots or only sunny bright day shots?

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Charles Falk



Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Charles Falk



Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Charles Falk



Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Charles Falk


Charles

21 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineTomH From United States of America, joined May 1999, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Charles,
These are wonderful shots. I don't see where the weather has really impacted them badly at all. The fact that these are colorful subjects helps offset the weather factor also. If they were all natural metal or camoflaged military subjects, it would be another story.

Of course there are many types of bad weather.
Identifying the days where you can still function as a photographer is the key to success. One day I was at a sports car competition and it started to rain pretty seriously. I was in the process of packing the cameras away. In spite of the rain, the open-wheel cars were just beginning their race. When the first car came down the track shooting a "rooster-tail" of water in the air 50 feet high, I quickly realized that right then was the time to take pictures, even better than before when it was just drizzling slightly.

The play of lights on water, reversers in action on wet runways, and, in the case of the Concorde, the afterburner light show that is so greatly enhanced due to reduced ambient light are all good reasons to tough it out in certain types of bad weather. Don't see it much anymore, but before the turbofan engine, most jets at rotation would produce tremendous water/steam clouds well worth a photograph.

At many airports, you are offered better photographic opportunities when it is cloudy because at certain locations you are not forced to shoot into the sun. Photographing end of runway departures of the shadowed side of an aircraft on a sunny day has a very muting effect on colors and other detail, much more so than on a cloudy day.

I might not depart from home on a photography trip if it is a bad weather day, but if I'm already on location, what is there to lose?
TomH


User currently offlineSashA From Russia, joined May 1999, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

If it wasn't for "bad weather" wonderful shots like these wouldn't be possible:


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Hiromichi Miyagaki



Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © PixAir



Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Ralph Kunadt



And your own photos, Charles, are great too!




An2/24/28,Yak42,Tu154/134,IL18/62/96,B737/757/767,A310/320/319,F100,BAe146,EMB-145,CRJ,A340-600,B747-400,A-330-300,A-340
User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1557 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Hi all

I usually tend to avoid shooting in bad weather but If you are on a shooting trip for example you may not be able to avoid this.

I have been lucky recently with Zurich and Heathrow so I will keep my fingers crossed for future trips  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

This shot was taken in really bad weather, wind and driving rain:

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Gary Watt


The only reason I got this was the fact that my parents were on the flight which was going to Sanford, Florida.

Regards
Gary Watt
Aberdeen, Scotland


User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

Why not, bad weather if snow or rain could actually enhance a picture if you use the elements in the right way:

Here two examples and I am still waiting for some rolls which I shot last week during night and heavy rain.


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Vasco Garcia




Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Vasco Garcia



Regards
Vasco


User currently offlineTguse From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Hi all,
I don't like shots taken in bad weather! Exeptions are pictures like the displayed ones of Vasco and Hiromichi! For my slide collection I try to avoid shooting in bad weather, but I do sometimes. Especially at foreign places like Charles mentioned. But I have been in Geneva last February and have had only few sun that day! I shot up to 15 different aircrafts but I have uploaded only the 3 pics taken with sun!

For me, I see no necessity to share bad wheather pictures on a.net, if there are many better pics of this particular aircraft around!

Best wishes,
Torben


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 713 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

This is a bit like the background discussion - weather is part of the environment in which aircraft operate - they look different (sometimes better, depending on the colour scheme) on a dull day, in the rain, snow etc.

Weather is not the issue - its how the weather is used in the final image.

But I am prejudiced - last year I think I got half a dozen "perfect weather" days in the whole year. If I was put off by clouds and rain, I'd just have to give up photography!

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Personally, I don't go out to the airport if it's not sunny and clear. For normal shooting (ie. collection/stock/ad usage) I wouldn't even consider shooting in anything but full sun unless I'm trying to capture a particular weather scene. Shooting in no sun conditions just produces poor results on slides. With that said, I don't think you should never shoot in poor weather. As Vasco and others displayed, you can get some excellent shots. But, for just normal aircraft taxiing or parked, I'd wait for a sunny day.

Michael


User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Hi Gary

Dont tell me - its Glasgow right?

Folks, when you live in a pisspot like Scotland you HAVE to be able to shoot in bad weather otherwise you might not get a second chance to get that unique airliner.


User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

I personally welcome the effects of bad weather.
I see it compared to as NIGHT shots.
And what you gusy said, you can tinker around with bad weather to create unique effects.
Like one of Lawence Feirs Lightning shots.. I really like.
And just now, Vascos, 2 night/poor weather shots.
And if you lucky, maybe theres a possibility to take a picture of an airliner in HORRENDOUS WEATHER..
Say:: During a Hurricane, lol planes would be flying naturaly due to heavy winds, Tornadoes in background like an F4 or F5, or a more peaceful way like.
Sun and snow at the airport. I've seen that once and boy it looks nice. The snow is crisp and sharp thanx to the sunlight.
Has anybody tried takign shots of planes with a Rainbow in a background?? I think that would look nice..
Or how bout Hail the size of Coffe Mugs pelting the crap of a 767?
or is your in the UK region like Gary, Ive heard that theres sometimes "Frog rain, or Fish rain" catch that with an airliner and thats instant gold.
 Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Big grin  Smile
Normal cloudyness, or perhps a storm cloud approaching is also pretty nice to include.
Effects again..


Ive added three of my shots taken in unique weather, projecting different effects as well as yes some blurryness but I find it good all the way..




Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Bo Kim






Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Bo Kim




Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Bo Kim



Well, that one had sunlight but the clouds in the background give pretty neat effects and and just behind the plane was a load or storm cells advancing.



Expanding my global domination one spotter at a time..
User currently offlineEDIpic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

C'mon Scotty

"...when you live in a pisspot like Scotland.."
Yes, but where else in the world can you see four seasons in one day?
Whoever works in the Scottish Tourist Board must have
the easiest job in the world!

I can be wet and dull at times here here, but you do have to work hard to get a good photo. If it was bright and sunny everyday, then it would be too easy, eh?

(I'll be heading up to the Tay for a spot of spring Salmon
fishing in February. If I caught one every time I went
fishin', it would get really boring!)

So, should we bother?
Of course we should.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Cheers

Gerry/EDI


User currently offlineInvader From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 325 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1495 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
DATABASE EDITOR

Restricting Airliners.net only to K25/K64 sunny ramp shots ? Oh no, please.

There is nothing wrong with the photos above. Every weather has its own character, and photos may reflect that, as long as they are not blurred or have other faults.

As Bo said, snow can be very nice, even when the sun isn't out, like at this picture, taken on a dull Canadian winter day :

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Peter Vercruijsse


When I am visiting the Paris Air Show, I often go to De Gaulle in the evening, and keep on photographing until the shutter speed drops to 1/30th or so. Not doing that I would have missed in my collection e.g. this rare Swedish Air Force Metro, and until now it is the only Swedish AF Metro without AEW radar at Airliners.net.

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Peter Vercruijsse


Now and then I do an overseas spotting trip for more than a week, hopping from airfield to airfield, and it has happened more than once that the sun didn't come out for the whole week. Bad luck, but I still make my photos, otherwise it would have been a total waist of time and money. Stop photographing when the sun is gone ? I would not have had C-FOEH in my collection and you couldn't have been looking at it now, as it is the only photo of it at A.net !

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Peter Vercruijsse


As Tom said, afterburners can be much more effective when the sun is gone. This Typhoon would not have that flame so visible in full sunlight :

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Peter Vercruijsse


With aircraft displayed in a static show at an AFB Open Day it is quite common that you have people and fences around it the whole day. It is then often better to wait until it departs in the early evening, and you have an uncluttered shot :

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Peter Vercruijsse


Last September I visited a two-day Open Day at Uden-Volkel AFB in the Netherlands : it was the most appalling weather I ever had at an airshow, with only a few rare moments that the sun tried to get through the clouds, and the rest was heavy overcast and rain. It was the first time in my spotters life that I got a film partly damaged by water. Nevertheless I have already 59 Volkel shots at Airliners.net, and another lot at Airfighters.net, and, seen the number of hits, people seem to enjoy them.

So, make the contrast and brightness a bit higher in Photoshop and let's continue with all-weather shots for the less common aircraft !

Peter


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3860 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

I rather like shoothing under inclemment conditions, it provides me with a challange. That said, I do agree with Mike at least in part, that these images are harder to move from a professional or a collectors standpoint. But if they are done right they can be fairly good sellers in the editorial market place and with some stock agencies.


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Thomas Millard



Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Thomas Millard



Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Thomas Millard



Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

So, make the contrast and brightness a bit higher in Photoshop and let's continue with all-weather shots for the less common aircraft !

Peter, this is exactly my point. I'm not saying don't shoot at all in poor/weak sun conditions but lets not start uploading plain taxiing shots of United 767s in no sun. Save the bad-weather shooting for interesting subjects and photos like the many shown above.

Trust me, look at the photo below. Yes, I was on the "wrong" side of the sun but it was an interesting shot and I took it. I would have loved to be on the otherside of the r/w but couldn't make it over there in time. I'm sure that has happened to all of us...


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Michael F. McLaughlin



Oh, and I love shooting in snow also...


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Michael F. McLaughlin



Michael




User currently onlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

Well I'm going to London in February and knowing the Irish/British weather the chances are for the two free days that I have there won't be any sun at all. I do realise that I have to use a slower shutter speed but the only problem is is that my camera sets the shutter and aperature automatically if I use the sports mode with the continuous autofocus. That will mean I have to use manual focus, since the standard AF is only good for still subject (at least I think it is anyway) and set the settings myself. Now I'm only new to photography so my MF skills aren't going to be that good and out of a roll of 24 I'll probably only get a half dozen decent shots. I tried my camera out in bad weather once before but the shots came out APPALLING, you could barely see the plane at all because the photo was so dark. As its sports mode the fast shutter speeds are only available so I cant shoot with anythin under about 1/250 probably (its only a new camera so I'm not completely sure of its FULL capabilities)
If you gents have any tips for me I'd be grateful.
BTW, the camera is a Minolta Dynax 404Si or a Maxuum STsi if you're in the states

Cheers,
Martin


User currently offlineNscaler From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 243 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

Since we are on the topic of bad weather shooting, what is recommended (if anything) to protect the gear. Do most of you when shooting in the rain, shoot from underneath awnings, etc? Or bitter cold (tons of that here in PHX!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Thanks,

Saul


User currently offlineKLM747 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 669 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

I think you should keep taking pictures, even if its raing or snowing. They'll still look good.

KLM747 Big grin


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Henry Jr Godding


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Alexander Jonsson



Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Ky Cheng


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © George Gayuski



Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Glenn Alderton



User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

Planes fly - regardless of the weather. We need to see crappy weather photos because this is what is real. It is not always sunny and warm. Alot of my favorite shots on Airliners.net are not sunny and bright. Airline photos, I believe are like life - not always smiling pretty and bright. Dark moods can also be appreciated.

User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1421 times:


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Mark Garfinkel

Weather can add alot to aviation photography...I am not sure I understand why one might ask should we bother (no disrespect intended..) I love shooting in bad weather
Mark G


User currently offlineNscaler From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 243 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

How do you protect your gear in bad weather?

Saul


User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

Saul - forget about the gear - protect youself first !!!! and I must say this to Mark - that shot you posted is about as crazy and moody as you can get in
"foul weather". I LOVE IT !!!! you're pretty good...

thanks,
Terry  Nuts


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Thanks for all the feedback folks.

As far as protecting gear, I generally don't. If it's pouring down, either I don't shoot, or find a place where I can take shelter and maybe run out when I need to. This pic was taken in this conditions.

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Charles Falk


Some water will get into the camera, and the worst thing you can do is to stuff it back in a camera bag and leave it for mildew to start. Dry it out however you can, even if it means putting it over the fireplace (not in  Smile/happy/getting dizzy) If I have a fire going, the temperature on the shelf above it is probably 30 or 35 degrees centigrade - perfect for drying out stuff gently. I do take out the film though.

Cheers,

Charles


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Bad Weather, Would Like Some Opinions Or Tips posted Thu Nov 23 2006 00:13:47 by Diezel
Photos In Bad Weather posted Sat Oct 21 2006 20:39:52 by Kiwelumo
Bad_soft In Bad Weather posted Mon May 29 2006 12:13:20 by ZSOFN
More Shooting In Bad Weather! posted Fri Dec 30 2005 02:38:09 by ZSOFN
An124 On A Bad Weather Day. posted Mon Nov 14 2005 19:53:04 by Pitchul
Should We Be Uploading Any Backlit Shots? posted Sat Sep 24 2005 09:56:38 by JumboJim747
I'm Wondering Weather I Should Upload posted Sat Sep 18 2004 03:55:33 by CactusHP
Bad Double - Do We Have To Go Through This Again? posted Wed Jul 7 2004 23:08:44 by Aagold
Bad Weather, Again In DEN posted Sat Jun 19 2004 00:51:04 by JeffM
Should I Even Bother? posted Thu Mar 7 2002 04:35:13 by 764er