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3D Generated Images Of A340-500/600 - Comments Pls  
User currently offlineOle From Denmark, joined Feb 2003, 16 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Could you be fooled ?

http://www.3d-aviation.com/wallpaper.html

As probably all of you are very experienced in looking at airplane images I'm asking you to comment my 3D computer generated images of Airbus 340-500 and -600. I have tried to make them look as realistic as possible but I'm sure you'll find something that could be improved. Click on the above link and take a look. Different resolutions available. I appreciate your comments.

Technical notes: The images are made using 3d studio max. The aircraft is a 3d model that I have drawn manually. That takes quite a long time and it is a real challenge to get it look right. All the textures on the aircraft are also made manually. But - when you have a finished model you can turn it and view from any angle and make as many shots as you like. There is of course some work in getting the composition with the background right.

Best regards,
Ole

29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

looking pretty good if you ask me!

Wietse



Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlineAvroarrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

Very cool....and nice detail.


Give me a mile of road and I can take you a mile. Give me a mile of runway and I can show you the world.
User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Wow, those are just amazing! Could you post a screenshot of what this program looks like, and a wireframe of the model? It would be really interesting to see that!

Thanks, great work!

Shawn


User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 4505 times:

Looks great, engines are a tad too big, but great! Big grin

-Clovis


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 745 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 4484 times:

Scary really - how long before we won't be able to distinguish a computer generated image from a photograph?

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Excellent pictures Ole!

Like mentioned, the engines can be a bit smaller.

-Dmitry


User currently offlineAirFX From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

FAKE! Oops... Innocent

Those are quite the impressive images, I must say! If you didn't mention it, I would have just dismissed them as air-to-air. But the engines kinda give it away :0) On first glance though, I would have surely thought they were real!

My friend works with 3D Studio Max and now you've given him something to aim for :0)

(BTW, I *was* kidding with the FAKE part...well...you get the idea)

-J.Icasas


User currently offlineMarco_polo From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 324 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

Ole:

Nice modeling works of Airbus familiy on 3DSMAX. A pleasure to meet someone in the same line of work. Love the Emirates livery you did. Great work!!!

-Jay


User currently offlineOle From Denmark, joined Feb 2003, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Thanks for your comments so far. Regarding the engine size - just to make sure - you are comparing them to the 340-500/600 ? - like on the images below:

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Photo © Bernard CHARLES
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Photo © Craig Hendley




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Photo © Jens Flunkert
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Photo © Steve Dreier



If someone please can tell me how I post an image directly into a post I'll be happy to post a wireframe and a screenshot as Shawn requested.

Regards,
Ole


User currently offlineFL350 From Belgium, joined Feb 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4399 times:

If someone please can tell me how I post an image directly into a post I'll be happy to post a wireframe and a screenshot as Shawn requested.

Well I asked the same question yesterday on another topic and nobody replied
Thanx!!

So I figured out that myself, here's is how to do it:
< img src"ur correct url of the pic " >
without the space between the < signs and text

Cheers

Fa



Fabrice Sanchez - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineOle From Denmark, joined Feb 2003, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Thanks for the tip FL350.

Heres a screendump from 3ds max and a wireframe of an Airbus 320 as requested.

Regards,
Ole


http://www.3d-aviation.com/Submissions/ScreenDump.jpg

http://www.3d-aviation.com/Submissions/320wire.jpg




User currently offlineFL350 From Belgium, joined Feb 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

Sorry forgot the = that u have to type like that < img src="
And remember no space between the < and the text
Fa



Fabrice Sanchez - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

That is just so amazing... it must take forever to do this!

Thanks for the screenshots

Shawn


User currently offlineAirFX From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

I personally was referring to more of the (HOT STEEL!) blue exhaust cone thingies (pardon the technical terminology) on the engines. Or, most likely, it's my "misperception" now that I look at Jens Flunkert's photo. They seem a *tad* big. Mind you, this is pulling fine details--the images are still absolutely amazing! Bravo! (Are you doing this for Flight Simulator or something?)

-J.Icasas


User currently offlineBoeingholiday From Austria, joined Apr 2002, 456 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Simply stunning Ole!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Excellent!! These are really good.

2 things though,

As mentioned before, I too noticed that the engines themselves do look a tad big, they are too wide and chunky in diameter. It is noticable.

Also, if you have photoshop, I suggest you sharpen these photos a bit using USM. If you don't, I should be able to sharpen them up for you and then send them back, should anyway...

Cheers

Dan


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

ok just to show you what a bit of sharpening could do:

here is the original (1024x768 to save space on my webspace Big grin):

http://www.3d-aviation.com/wallpaper/EK1_1024x768.jpg

and here is the modified picture (230% USM), Thailand">USM radius 0 i think, something like that..):

http://www.eggd.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/eka345.jpg

I can also mess around with the contrast and color ballance to get it looking a bit better too (at the moment, it is a bit 'flat', needs more contrast..).

Cheers

Dan

[Edited 2003-03-01 20:31:20]

User currently offlineOle From Denmark, joined Feb 2003, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

Thanks for the comments Dan - I clearly see the difference. I think that the post production of the image is a very tough part - because I have an image that is not real and I have to make it look real - and what is that.....actually. I have also posted some of these images in 3D computer graphics forums and some people there says they need to be blurred a little bit and needs more noise ???

Dan - if you have the time - and a fast connection there is an original rendering of the EK image at the address below. Its a TGA file (3mb) and you can select the aircraft only by "Load selection" and select alpha channel. Then you can give different post production to the aircraft and the background if needed. It could be interesting to see how you think the optimum image should look. Others are of course welcome with their version as well.

http://www.3d-aviation.com/TestArea/EK1_2.tga

Regards,
Ole



User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

Ahhh... thank you! I've been dying to say something about the size of the engines and didn't dare for fear of coming across as a complete Tw@! Big grin

Apart from that Ole, they are truly excellent images and you are to be commended on the quality of the work! If only I could produce photos like that let alone 3D solid models!

Cheers!

Rez
 Wink/being sarcastic




Flightlineimages DOT Com Photographer & Web Editor. RR Turbines Specialist
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4282 times:

I don't have time tonight, but tomorrow I will download the images and modify them a bit...

cheers

Dan


User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4234 times:

Hi again,

Ole, I was looking at the screenshot you posted, particularly the nose wireframe. Some of the edges at the front of the nose look like they spilt off into more edges, I was wondering how you do that (what function to use)?

Thanks again!

Shawn


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4233 times:

Sorry I didn't get round to it, i'll find the time soon..

Cheers

dan


User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4222 times:

Oh yeah, for some reason with the TGA image, when I open it in PS7, I can only see the aircraft. What do I do to get the environment?

User currently offlineOle From Denmark, joined Feb 2003, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

I guess I have to resize those engines then.......

Dan - no problem - take your time.

Shawn - regarding the nose section wireframe. It is two meshes that are attached and as they didn't have the same number of vertices I used the Weld/Target function to close the mesh in Edit mesh/vertex mode.

I don't have PSP7 myself but only PSP5 and PhotoShop and I know that PSP5 cannot handle Alpha channels. The image is 32bit and the aircrat is contained in the alpha channel. But when I open the image in PSP5 I get the whole image but without the possibility to select the aircraft only.

BTW - any comments on the A330-300 ?





Best regards,
Ole



25 Ole : Shawn - Sorry, I didn't read your post careful enough. You said Photoshop 7. In that app. you sure should be able to see the whole image. Try and chec
26 Mas a330 : The engines look a wee bit too big, especially so in the Star Alliance/Air Canada image.
27 Marco_polo : Ole: I did look through all your posted images and I do agree with many other visitor that your A340-500/600 engine is wee bit too big. Looks like a G
28 Post contains images EGGD : Sorry but I wasn't able to download the files, just kept coming up with warnings on my computer
29 Post contains links Shawn Patrick : I have the file Dan. If you still want it, email me at shawnb777@adelphia.net and I'll send it. Let me know if you can open it and see both channels i
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