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Accused Of Faking It!  
User currently offlineNed Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

I have had a few e-mails about this picture in the last year or so, most of them have been polite questions about "why are there additional upper windows" in my photo of N7470, the 747 prototype. But this one takes the biscuit!!

Here is the e-mail I received:

"Why did you add windows to the upper deck of your photo of the first 747
prototype? Just in case you don't know its photo id 156916. Every single
other photo of N7470 in the database shows it with only 3 upper deck
windows. It looks so obvious that you used Photoshop to make those extra
windows as they are darker than the originals. Also, back in 1969 the 747s
were meant to have bars in the upper decks as evidenced in some of the more
recent photos of that aircraft. I would highly recommend that you re-upload
that photo with the normal number of windows so as to prevent further
confusion such as my own. Oh, and by the way, as a 747 enthusiast, I am
extremely dissapointed that you would try and alter the appearance of an
aircraft as reveared as the first 747 ever built!"


& the photo in question: (sorry for the plug)


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Photo © John Kelly



Ned.


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User currently offlineRes From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

What is your explanation for the extra windows?


FLY NAVY
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Why don't you ask Boeing, the photographer doesn't alway have the answers on why....we just take the pictures?

Apparently they added more windows later on!

Grant



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineNed Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Sorry I should have explained this.

When I originally uploaded the photo on to the database, I never even noticed the additional windows myself until I received an e-mail from someone who pointed it out to me.
In his e-mail he said that the "windows" (which in fact are only stickers made to look like windows) were added by Boeing sometime earlier to promote the 747-200 series. When the aircraft was ferried to the museum in Seattle, the aircraft was restored to it's original state & the stickers were removed.

If anyone else is able to correct or add to this story, or details when the stickers were added & removed then please respond.
Ned.


User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Don't you love getting rude emails from people who don't know what the hell they are talking about? Sigh.... I just got one from someone regarding one of my photos. Why is it that people can't ask a question instead of yelling at you and accusing you of unnatural acts.  Confused

User currently offlineRoyalDutch From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 917 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

if you look really close, you can see the difference between the stickers and the real windows...look at the 2nd window from the front, the fifth, and the 8th...they are a lighter gray-ish shade in comparison to the others.

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2764 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

whoever wrote this email makes me wonder...what would the photographer have to gain by photoshopping on additional windows? It doesn't make any sense.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Some people are idiots, Clickhappy.
Or make that "most people are idiots", but a good portion don't act it most of the time.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineBrianhames From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Accused Of Faking It!
Yeah, my girlfriend accuses me of that a lot...  Big thumbs up


But anyway, I agree with Royal, why would he photoshop that? If you're gonna photoshop make it cool, or at least something that will boost your number of hits. haha

Brian


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

The funny thing is, this guys says he's a 747 enthusiast  Wink/being sarcastic If he actually would have had the knowledge he wants us to believe he has, shouldn't he already have known that Boeing added some window-lookalike stickers to this airplane years ago?

Anyway, since he's seriously dissapointed by the fact that this plane's appearance was altered, I think he should sue Boeing for, let's say $ 50.000.000, and hence let the company get rid of a couple of thousand good employees, currently working on new 747 models. Just imagine, huh?

Just another guy who refuses to look for reasons why some things aren't the way they should be.

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

hmm, you might consider sueing the guy for slander and telling him to give the money to Boeing for the 747 program he claims to love Big grin


I wish I were flying
User currently offlineAPP From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Yeah, but Ned, annoying as that message was, you must have had some fun firing an e-mail back to this '747 enthusiast'
APP
 Big grin


User currently offlineNed Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Thanks for the replies.

APP, I made sure I had calmed down for an hour or so before I replied to this guy. I sent the following reply back to him, which under the circumstances was quite diplomatic I think.

Dear xxxx,

Thank you for your e-mail regarding my picture, and accusing me of faking
it!!

The additional upper windows on my photo were not added by me, but by
Boeing. They are in fact stickers that were added to the aircraft when
Boeing was trying to promote the 747-200 series, as a 747 enthusiast I am
surprised you were an aware of that. You will also notice that my photo was
taken at Las Vegas, quite a few years apart from other photo's on the site.
It was not until the aircraft was ferried to Seattle that Boeing restored it
to it's original condition (i.e. removed the additional stickers).

I think a little basic research before you sent your e-mail, could have
saved you some embarrassment.

Regards ,

John Kelly.



User currently offlineBrianhames From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2335 times:

Excellent reply, mang. You let him know he's a jackass while being nice. Couldn't have written it better myself.

Brian


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Great answer! Did you get any reply to that post?

Gerardo



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