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LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...  
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Posted (11 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

Recently some standard has been apllied to Polish Airlines name in the database. I am sorry to say this but the worst solution has been chosen.

1. LOT plane is now named: LOT - Polish Airlines / Polskie Linie Lotnicze

I don't know why both english and polish landuage version is used. All other airlines seems to have only one.

2. Eurolot planes:

some AT72: LOT - Polish Airlines / Polskie Linie Lotnicze (EuroLOT)
some AT72: EuroLOT
AT42: EuroLOT

Why are they different? All ATRs belong to Eurolot. Even if some of them have old liveries. I think the livery does not change the airline name - my sugestion would be to make it simple and real:

767
737
ERJ: LOT Polish Airlines

AT72
AT42: EuroLOT.

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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1555 times:

I agree with you. It should be LOT Polish Airlines on the mainline and EuroLOT on the ATRs

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

I think you have to appreciate Polish culture. Don't forget that the Poles are a fiercely nationalistic group of people, proud of their language and still somewhat distrustful of foreigners - and who can blame them, given the country's history.

Personally I like to see the native language on the fleet, even if English is a better marketing tool.

What next? Aeroflot written in English rather than Cyrillic? That'll be the day.


User currently offlineInvader From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 327 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1548 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
DATABASE EDITOR

Danny/LOT767-300ER:

I have posted the answer to your remarks in the other thread at:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/85973/

For the double names I give another example here, Delta Connection. You will probably know that Delta Connection is flown by several companies, which are now listed in the database as follows:

Delta Connection (ASA - Atlantic Southeast Airlines)
Delta Connection (Atlantic Coast Airlines)

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Delta Connection (Atlantic Coast Jet)
Delta Connection (BEX - Business Express)

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Delta Connection (Chautauqua Airlines)
Delta Connection (Comair)

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Delta Connection (Skywest Airlines)
Delta Connection (Trans States Airlines)

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When I take one of them as an example, "Delta Connection (Comair)". In the past when there was no guideline for this, you could find this name in the airline field of the photo caption as e.g.:
Delta Connection
Comair
Delta Connection/Comair
Comair/Delta Connection
Delta Connection-Comair
Comair-Delta Connection
Delta Connection Comair
and a few other combinations (and misspellings). Multiply this with the other operating companies of Delta Connection, and you can imagine how the database looked in the past.

There have been many requests of company staff and pilots, but also of general viewers, who asked that it should be possible to see e.g. all the photos for Comair under one button. But others wanted to see all Delta Connection photos under one button. Also many people find it very interesting to see from which company an aircraft is leased. With the new method of listing the names all these wishes can be satisfied. When you know a better method please let me know.

Regards,
Peter Vercruijsse
Chief Database Editor


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Backfire - we both are polish  Smile And we are not nationalistic group of people. I dont know you told you that but it is far from reality.

Delta connection is a different case as it is operated by many different often independent airlines. Eurolot is only one and is 100% owned by LOT.


User currently offlineJacek From Poland, joined Nov 2001, 61 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Backfire,

I'd like to tell you only one thing - your opinion about Poles is way too much stereotypical.

Danny, LOT,

New listing of LOT/EuroLOT looks somewhat strange, but does make a sense, so I finally agree with Peter.


Regards
Jacek


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

Still, why is it written both in English and Polish? Weird..

It certainly is an improvement over the previous field "Polish Airlines - LOT" which wasent even right  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Hi,

Still, why is it written both in English and Polish? Weird

Why not  Smile

I also agree with Peter. Makes sense.
Anyway, the issue will disappear once all the ATRs are repainted with EuroLOT colors.

JArek

[Edited 2003-04-25 10:55:39]

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

They won't be repainted as soon will be replaced by ERJ-170

User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

I was under the impression that ERJ-170s are supposed to replace some of 737 and ERJ-145, not ATR.
Not mentioning that ERJ-170s are bought by LOT and ATRs belong to EuroLOT.
 Smile

Jarek


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

"Still, why is it written both in English and Polish? Weird

Why not "

All im saying is, its unusual since others arent written in 2 languages...

Yep, the -170s are replacing the older 737s and ERJs.


User currently offlineLjungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 908 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

...well, if the LOT a/c's are marked in both English and the native language, why not apply the same rule to this airline:

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(Oooops, another plug, sorryyyyyyyy...)  Innocent

...and furthermore, there are many more photos of airlines in this DB, with titles in both English and a native language, pure logic says that the same rules should be used for all of them, just not for some selected ones...

...just my $2...

Johan (Ljungdahl)



User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1453 times:

ERJ-170 will replace some oldest B735 E145 and ofcourse AT72 as this is 70 pax aircraft.

User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

"ERJ-170 will replace some oldest B735 E145 and ofcourse AT72 as this is 70 pax aircraft. "

That means they will have to be painted in EuroLOT colors..

Johan,

That was exactly my point  Smile


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

I don't think the will be in Eurolot colors. But we'll see...  Smile

User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

ERJ-170 will replace some oldest B735 E145 and ofcourse AT72 as this is 70 pax aircraft

I am getting confused Danny!
ERJ-170 to be bought by LOT will replace some ATR-72, which are owned by EuroLOT?
Any explanation how would it work?

Regards

Jarek


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

Explanation is easy - 100% owner of Eurolot is LOT so they have one policy. Eurolot received ATRs from LOT. I guess Eurokot will be reduced to 5 aircrafts only (new AT45). All the rest will be LOT aircraft.

In fact you should treat them as a one company although formally separate entities.



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