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User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3030 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Hi,

In exactly two months I'll commence a one week UK/Ireland spotting trip together with Turbotrent and Sabena 690. During this one week event, we'll be making some ten flights.

Now, during those flights (well, during my stay on board of the planes) I'd love to make some very nice cockpit shots. But, since I haven't tried those kind of shots with my D60 yet, I've been experimenting a bit here at home with more or less the same light conditions (outside light vs. less indoor light).

I'd like to hear some of the techniques used by you guys (and girls...) to achive good results. I like those cockpit shots where you can still clearly see the outside (left picture), instead of one big white spot (i.e. overexposure) (right picture):


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Photo © Paul Stienstra
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Photo © Michael Carter



How can I get the same results? Meter the light through the windshield, lock it, focus on the instruments and use flash? Or can I still get quite decent results without using flash? I guess the best way to achieve a big white window is just meter the light inside and press the shutter release button?

Another question: can I use my onboard flash with my sigma 17-35mm? I've noticed that from time to time a piece of the lens' shadow appears on the bottom of the picture, due to the big size of this lens. Maybe it would be better to use external flash and hence get myself Canon EX550 Speedlite? (oh boy, and I still have to buy myself an ImageTank and some spare batteries*...


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Photo © Jan Mogren
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Photo © Chris Markerson



All other hints/tips are welcome (e.g. ISO settings for dusk/dawn shots)! A lot of questions, but I know I can count on you guys!

Greetings,
Ivan

* URL's of good online stores who ship to Europe are welcome  Wink/being sarcastic

[Edited 2003-05-12 00:39:06]


Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

I would say Paul's has been exposed for the outside, then used a flash. Michael's was exposed for the panel only, thus overexposing the sky.

You best bet is to bracket over and under as many frames as you can afford, using both methods.

Can't wait to see the results, have a good trip.

v/r

Jeff


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Ivan, don't forget that most of our flights are to/from the UK  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Cockpit visits are almost excluded I'm afraid  Sad But keep on hoping!!  Big thumbs up

Regards
Frederic


User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Cockpit visits on UK carriers whilst the aircraft is in flight/powered are banned.

You may though be able to gain access whilst at the gate and even then it has to be with the engines closed down and this too depends on the crew/airline.

Cheers

Paul


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3030 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Thanks for the information guys...

Sabena 690: I'm sure we'll work something out with some of the crews we're gonna have... (well, I sure am crossing my fingers  Wink/being sarcastic )

Ivan



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User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Ryanair are very flexible in letting you go into the cockpit for a picture once the aircraft is at a stand still .... the crew are general very nice.
Bmibaby on the otherhand seem to have stopped it all together, although on a flight to EDI a few weeks back i was aloud in the cockpit but WITHOUT the camera, i was also given a postcard of G-ECAS in bmi colours.
Regards
Shaun  Smile



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User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

"How can I get the same results? Meter the light through the windshield, lock it, focus on the instruments and use flash?"

Basically, that's the way to do it.

Luis


User currently offlineEBOS From Belgium, joined Jul 2001, 520 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

You decribe it correct : meter the light through the windshield, lock it, focus on the instruments and use flash. It's called fill in flash.
For cockpit shots at dusk i use ISO 200 settings and overexpose them 0.3-0.6 stop.

With the Sigma 17-35 lens you need indeed an external flash to avoid shadow of the lens.

Have a nice trip and don't forget spotting in between the flights Big grin

Sven




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User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3030 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Thanks for the information guys.

With the Sigma 17-35 lens you need indeed an external flash to avoid shadow of the lens --> That's what I was already afraid for. Hmm, I'll see what I can do (depending on available funds that is  Wink/being sarcastic )

Ivan



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