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Very Important Viewing Areas At MAN For MAY 28TH  
User currently offlineWidebodiedlee From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 119 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

Further to my posting yesterday I have this important update. Both the airport authorities and the Police are concerned about the numbers of enthusiasts and public that may visit the southside areas on the 28th. These are unauthorised viewing areas and as such for security reasons anybody loitering in these areas will be moved on by the Police.

Please remember May 28th is going to be a fantastic day but the continued use of ALL viewing areas at the airport by enthusiasts may be reviewed if there are any incidents on the day. Please adhere to this advice given to you from the Airport and the Police.

The airport has published details about the Aviation Viewing Park and the Terminal 1, Level 13 Spectator Terrraces on its web page. www.manchesterairport.co.uk

Lee Collins


All opinions stated above are my own, not my Companys'
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User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

SOunds like it´s gonna be a white wash .... shame really
Regards
Shaun  Sad



All together or not at all
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

hmmm thats lame. Security reasons, bullshit, they are just trying to make as much money out of it as they can :/

User currently offlineJon01 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

Is spotting or photography classed as 'loitering?'

Weather forecast is good for Wednesday and it's half term. Can you imagine the pressure on the AVP and it's infrastructure?

With police/airport security patrolling the south side there won't be any problems there. Never has been in the past.....

Jon


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Jon,
saw your post yesterday on the civil spotters and I have to say,you made a very good point,despite the backlash!The AVP is going to become 1 giant pigsty on Wednesday and somebody is going to crushed(I doubt it'll be me Smile )


User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

Weather doesn't look too good according to SkyNews or Weather.co.uk:

Day:

High:
17°C

Showers
Wind:
From the South at 7 mph

Chance of precip: 40 %

Max. Humidity: 77 %

UV Index: 4 Low

DC-10


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Found these items about footpaths:

"Your legal right is to pass and repass along the way. You may stop to rest or admire the view, or to consume refreshments, providing you stay on the path and do not cause an obstruction."

"A person who strays from a right of way, or uses it other than for passing and repassing commits trespass against the landowner."

"Closure and diversion - that is, a change to a path's route - can only be carried out by local authorities or central government."

"Path closures. A highway authority can make an order to close a path if it considers the path is no longer needed for public use. A notice must be published in a local paper and also placed at both ends of the path. At least 28 days must be allowed for objections."

My reading of all this is:
  • Unless they've applied to close the paths and published advance notices, they can't just do it on the day

  • You can walk back and forth along the paths, and even stop on the paths to "admire the view" which in this case will be of airplanes Big grin

  • If you stray from the paths then you could be setting yourself up for trouble


  • Andy


    User currently offlineRayPettit From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 608 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

    I've only been to the MAN footpath once (on an unbelievably cold June day) and I found it difficult to wander from the footpath, especially to "admire the view".

    I would caution people to challenge the Police too much as to what grounds they may use - probably best to walk back and forth and just pause to admire your viewfinder every 2 minutes. We don't want to jeoparise the event.

    Honestly, though, BE SENSIBLE, and let us enjoy the day. Let's face it, we can always get these airliners in sunnier climes, but it won't be so easy and cheap, and yes, I know those Italian operators don't always knock at our door.

    R


    User currently offlineDerekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

    I agree with Ray. Manchester airport go out of their way to support enthusiasts and spotters , more than any other airport that I know of and rather than irritate the authorities lets just go along with what they request and please don't spoil it for us locals!

    Sorry about the unashamed plug but dream about what it used to be like in the olden days - viewing from the top of the piers.

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    Photo © Derek Ferguson



    Derek



    Whatever.......
    User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

    Derek,

    I'm sorry, but Manchester Airport are not going out of their way to support enthusiasts or spotters. They know, as well as we do, that the south side is the most attractive for photographers, and to try to constrain photographers from legally using such areas is not being helpful either to those photographers, or to the unfortunates who they try to use to constrain the use of those areas. To the best of my knowledge there have been no security problems along the south side, so to site security as the reason for trying to keep people off the footpaths on that side is just c**p. I absolutely accept the need to keep the lanes clear, but beyond that if enthusiasts can get to the paths without clogging the lanes up then why not? The sort of mentality being demonstrated here is exactly the same as that we have all seen, heard and complained about in the US recently - those in authority trying to constrain or restrict enthusiasts activities, quite possibly without any legal basis, just because enthusiast's activities don't conform to their ill considered ideas about what should or should not happen.

    Andy


    User currently offlineDerekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

    Andy

    Where else in the UK would actually lay on extra parking and extra facilities for spotters for a day like Wednesday? Most airports wouldn't bother. The authorities at Manchester have no obligation to even provide a viewing park and certainly don't have an obligation to make life easy for those who decide that they are somehow "different" than all of the other punters who use the viewing park. I know the sun is on the wrong side for some of the day for photos but so what - we are fortunate to have the facility at all.
    There may have been no security problems so far but if they expecting 1000s more people then who knows.
    To say they have "ill-considered ideas" is just cobblers - they have carefully considered Weds 28th for a long time now with the cooperation of the local aviation groups.

    If you go to the AVP then you will not get any security hassles or be in danger of being moved on - go elsewhere and you are asking for trouble especially now as the airport have asked people to be cooperative.

    If you are not happy with the provided facilities then be reasonable but don't spoil things for everyone else.

    Derek



    Whatever.......
    User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

    Derek,

    OK, so opening up another field next to the AVP may be helpful but only in so much as it may just avoid them having cronic conjestion problems on the road through to Wilmslow. I don't think that artificially trying to constrain people from using the footpaths and bridleways constitutes "go[ing] out of their way to support enthusiasts and spotters" - obstructing them from lawfully using footpaths and bridleways is nearer the truth. Anyway, we'll see what happens on the south side on the day...

    Andy


    User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
    Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

    How will they fit the estimated 30k people into the AVP and adjacent field?

    User currently offlineDerekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

    Andy

    I think you missed my point. The airport has no obligation to do anything for the spotters and photogs on Wednesday. The fact that they are doing something is to be welcomed and encouraged. They do, however, have an obligation to the the local population (I am one of them as well) so the potential congestion could be a problem. I guess that is why they are trying to encourage people to use the available facilities rather than clog up already congested and narrow roads as basically there is no parking anywhere on the south side.
    I still think that the airport are doing all that they can - imagine this - the Champions League final comes to the new Wembley in a few years time - do you think Heathrow will open up a field especially for enthusiasts - I don't think so.

    I have a real concern now that non-locals are going to be marching around demanding rights to go wherever and will end up getting the south side closed for good.

    Derek



    Whatever.......
    User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

    Derek,

    I don't think anyone, least of all me, is going to be "marching around demanding rights..." We all have an obligation to observe any parking restrictions put in place on the day and to ensure that the lanes remain clear for both emergency services and local residents. BUT, as far as I can tell, if I choose to park in my company's office car park three miles away, and get a cab to some point where where I can get onto the paths, then I shall have done nothing wrong, nor will I have contributed to any congestion anywhere. What I therefore object to is airport and law enforcement trying to implement rules that simply don't exist on the basis of something that is simply not applicable for people such as myself who will have done nothing to cause congestion in the area.

    Andy


    User currently offline737heavy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 601 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

    There is still going to be mass congestion and 30k people in the AVP is impossible. I think the police are correct in closing the roads to some of the 24L spots to cars but I think it would be unlawful to ban people too.

    No doubt a small number will let the side down.

    Regards


    User currently offlineDerekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

    Andy
    Point taken. You may not contribute to the congestion and neither will I (probably) but there are many others that will ignore the restrictions and cars will be parked any old place. The point is that if that is going to happen then the airport has to act accordingly and enforce access restrictions. Sad but true.
    What is happening at Manchester on Wednesday is unlike anything I can think of previously at a UK civil airport. We all ought to at least try and make things run smoothly. Again you personally may not "marching around demanding rights" but again there are those who will and will later wonder why access to everywhere is closed.
    I honestly do not think that the airport are doing these things to piss people off, they are doing what they think is right. These are difficult times for spotting and we must be prepared to accept some restrictions to access. Look at what we used to have in reply 8 above.

    Derek



    Whatever.......
    User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3175 times:


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    Photo © Derek Ferguson



    Wow, that must have been great!  Wow!
    It's a shame that these piers aren't open anymore, but you've got to understand why.

    DC-10


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