Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1159 times:
Good question. I can't say I know the answer. They CAN make films that have both high speed and low grain - the problem is shelf life. I'm sure that Kodak or Fuji can develop a 1000 speed film with all the finesse and color of a 100 speed film, the problem is that its shelf life out of a freezer will be measured in hours or maybe a couple of days.
Fuji's Provia 100F is fantastic, and it's performance is on par with 25 speed films (even better - Provia's grain index is better than Kodachome 25) but the downside is that if you leave it in the camera for more than a few weeks, the colors will start to change. Wheras the K25 can stay in the camera a couple of years without any problem.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1156 times:
Once developed, it will be fine. One of the steps of developing film is "fixing", which basically renders inert all chemical processes which can change the colors.
Even Kodachrome, with its legendary longevity, has a shelf life of only a couple of years, when undeveloped. Professional films also have a shelf life of a couple of years, but require refregeration until they are used and developed.
I have a Provia film in my camera which I need hurry up and finish, since it has been there for over 2 weeks now. Of course, I could put the whole camera in the fridge, but my wife might object
Chris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1151 times:
Hey Charles i took your advice and shot a roll (just 1 ) of the provia 100, i think i really like it alot, a few pics are waiting for upload but a few of them are by far my sharpest pictures, absolutely no grain whatsoever, i couldnt stop looking at them!!
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1147 times:
I use a Canon EOS 50. In January I bought a Sigma 28-300 Aspherical lens, but have not posted anything from that lens yet, all my posted pics are with Canon USM lenses, either 75-300 or 100-300.
For places like the Frankfurt terrace, where you have both planes at long distances and passing right in front of you, I also used an EOS 500N, which I kept with a shorter lens, but now with the Sigma lens I don't need to have 2 cameras around my neck, so I keep it with print film for family shots and such.
I have some films being developed now based on the Sigma lens which should be posted once I've catalogued them all, hopefully next weekend.
Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 33 Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1094 times:
Chris, the more I see this picture, the more I have the urgent feeling, that I have to try the Fuji Provia. Do you recieve any money from Fuji for posting your statements? Boy, what a publicity for their films!!
dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
Chris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1091 times:
AHhh.. kind thank you!! yeah fuji owes me for advertisement... but then, shouldnt Nike pay people to wear shirts with the "shwoosh" on it?
Anyway, the conditions were more than perfect for that particular shot, lighting was great. My scanner had a hard time picking up the dark portions of these pictures though, in order to get rid of the little green spots i had to darken the "shadows" which made the other pictures all a bit darker... oh well..
Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 33 Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1089 times:
It depends: if a real bear belly wears Nike shirts, I don't know, if this is what Nike wants to communicalte to the world but then again, we're getting off topic.
The original topic was about grainy films. So we have definitely Fuji Provia on the list for good films. In my opinion, the Kodak Elitechrome 100 has a tiny little bit more grain, or am I wrong?
Today I saw a photo magazine with some nature and wild life pictures. There were about 15 pics, and only 3 were taken with Elitechrome, the rest with Fuji Provia. This might be a coincidence, but perhaps it is a sign....
dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1085 times:
Elitechrome and Provia are not entirely comparable. Elitechrome seems to be the top end of the consumer film segment (or at least pretty damned close to it). Provia is professional film, which will provide better grain and color performance, at the cost of strict limitations on storage and handling.
If you can deal with storing your films in the fridge, and not leaving films in your camera for long periods, I strongly recomend Provia. If your camera needs to stay in the car a lot or otherwise gets a bit of heat abuse, and if you only take a few shots here and there and the film stays in the camera for weeks at a time, Elitechrome will remain undamaged longer than Provia.
Chris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1072 times:
Hey speaking of shelf life, try and follow this, i do actually have a point to make....
Okay, less than 2 weeks im flying out to HNL for a week and a half. On the way im stopping for a night in LAX, only the first few days in HNL will be spent spotting at the airport, (i know a few guys there to take me around) then, coming home im stopping for a day or so in LAX again, meeting up w/ a few A.net guys.
okay, for most of the week in hawaii im going to use royal gold 100 print film for the non-aviation pics im gonna take during the time spent with family, BUT, due to the current turn of events, i would like to have some provia 100 for: The first night in LAX, the first few days in HNL, and then the stay in LAX on my way home.
Okay, most likely-case-scenario i wont be able to hook up w/ a lab down there, so i'll have to bring the pics back home... While im there, i will be able to refrigerate the film, but they are going to be cooled, then "thawed out" numerous times, with all the various traveling.... will this effect the film in a negative way? (no pun intended)
*whew* okay, i REALLY hope you followed all that and got the question, i've been awake now for about 20 hours straight and not thinking 100% clearly...
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1064 times:
About the pics, Johan does apply some compression to the pics. When I upload my photos, they are between 350-550K, but end up only 160K or so. You can (just) see the difference but it's a reasonable balance between server space and quality.
About your trip, I do trips like this all the time. if you stay in the same place for more than a few days, go ahead and stick it in the fridge. You can even take it in and out of the cold if you have to, but only if you have never opened the plastic film canister.
But for just a few weeks, you could leave them out without a problem, as long as it's not on the windowledge under the sun. Once exposed, put them back in the fridge if possible, and have them developed as soon as you get home.