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Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II  
User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2117 times:
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I've read that the only difference is in width. so I wonder can the narrow Type one card be inserted in Type II slot without getting too loose and losing contact
(I 'll buy FUji S602)


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User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2099 times:
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If you have a Type II slot, then both Type I and Type II cards will fit without any problems. The reverse it NOT true: a Type I slot will only accept Type I cards.

Both Type I and Type II cards have very accurately manufactured guide rail channels. The card slot has corresponding guide rails - these ensure that the card goes in square and that the female electrical connector matches up precisely with the male pins in the slot.

The Type I card will not rattle around in a Type II slot !

TZ



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User currently onlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3153 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2068 times:
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And what are the other differences besides the width? More advanced, faster, more reliable etc...?

Konstantin



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

More expensive, lots more expensive  Laugh out loud

And faster too...



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User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2024 times:
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The only reason for a manufacturer to choose Type II when designing a new card is for packaging reasons. If they can fit everything into a Type I (3.3mm thick) package, then there is no reason to go to Type II (5mm thick).

Of course all IBM Microdrives were Type II. Almost all solid-state CF cards have been Type I until recently.

The very latest high-capacity CF cards announced by Pretec are Type II, I'm sure they had to go to Type II to fit everything in.

Just in case anybody is interested, the MRP of these new Pretec CF cards is:
3GB CF card = $1999
6GB CF card = $7499

... and don't forget that only the latest cameras can utilise the FAT32 file system, enabling the use of cards bigger than 2GB. If you have a D30 or D60 (which are limited to FAT16) there is no good dreaming of a 6GB card !!!

TZ



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User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

3GB CF card = $1999
6GB CF card = $7499


I'll take twenty of those.  Big grin Whats the point of buying a big card like that when you can easily get microdrives at $200 these days... I know some people like to have huge cards but if the card for some reason doesn't work anymore it must not be a pleasant experience...

I'm ready to bet that in five years time you can buy those for 10 or 15 times cheaper than today. If not well the marketing department of those companies will have done an excellent job...

Otherwise back to the subject I think the most important has been covered above...

Tim


User currently onlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3153 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2021 times:
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If I had the money for a Canon 1Dx I'd probably be able to afford such a 6GB CF too, but for now a 10D and 512MB CF's will do fine for me, thanks...  Big grin

Konstantin



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2013 times:
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anyone who would gamble storing 6 gigs worth of mobile data in 1 place should have their head checked.

User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Hmmm...

3GB CF card = $1999
6GB CF card = $7499


or three 1GB CF card for less than $300 each, total less than $900, saving $1100 over a 3GB card
or six 1GB CF card for less than $300 each, total less than $1800, saving getting on for $6000 over a 6GB card
or a 20GB image tank for less than $300 too!

anyone who would gamble storing 6 gigs worth of mobile data in 1 place should have their head checked

Anyone who thinks those prices are a good deal wants their head checked!


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 742 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Obviously not suitable for everyone, but I can imagine a number of situations where such a large card would be worth the money - for example, any nature photographer using remote setups and infrared triggers.

And once the "specialist" market has bought their fill the price will come down, just as it has for every other storage media.

Of course photographers are not the only ones using CF - it seems to be becoming a popular storage medium across a whole range of applications - I frequently "borrow" my CF from my camera to backup files on my laptop - arguably a 3 or 6gb CF could be a very effective method of, say, archiving large amounts of material - I suspect there is nothing else to match CF in terms of reliability and GB/square inch of physical storage space required.

Besides, 3GB isn't gonna look so big when we get up to 20mp class cameras.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Why is it Colin can always find a logical and good reason for everything???

Andy


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 742 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Why is it Colin can always find a logical and good reason for everything

Except when explaining to my wife why I need 2 DSLRs  Smile

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

I should be so lucky... I can't even convince her of the need for 1!!!

Cheers!

Rez
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User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
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If you need GB it is better to buy 1500$ laptop with 40GB than pay 7500US$ for 6GB card.
Sure it's heavy but it also has other uses.




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User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1905 times:
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I completely agree that for us, those prices are crazy.

I'll bet though that some sports photographers will have them in their equipment just as soon as they are available. I worked with some photographers at Wimbledon (the tennis tournament) last week, and most Canon guys were using 1Ds cameras, shooting about 3-4 fps in RAW mode. That equates to about 450 shots on a 6GB card, or just 150 returns of the ball. Okay, that's enough for an entire match.

However, if these guys use 512MB cards then they must either change cards every 12(ish) returns, or use lower resolution or JPEG mode. The consequences of missing a crucial moment of the game, or having sub-optimal image quality is more than outweighed by "mere" money (for the lucky few).

Of course not all sports photographers are in such a position, but it's horses-for-courses. One thing aircraft photographers tend to have a lot of is - time between aircraft - this can usefully be consumed with copying files to laptops, digital storage devices, etc.

It is interesting that the consumer storage market (CD-R / DVD-R, etc) isn't really keeping up with these CF card sizes. Again, the press photographers are okay with their huge Sun servers running several Terrabytes (TB) of storage capacity. For those at home with increasing GB's of images to store, it won't be long before DVD-R's will start to look a little limited(!)

TZ




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