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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5054 posts, RR: 15
Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

I noticed that the screening queue is now up to 3800 plus another 200 plus for Johan; its growing again like it did when there was a screener shortage....did another Screener quit?

It seems as if just after the new ones came onboard the queue went way down like beolw 1000 and then, slowly, began to creep back up despite having a full staff of screeners!


bruce


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9628 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1798 times:
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summer.

More people shooting, screeners on vacation.

Of course, when you have individuals uploading dozens of RJ shots...well, you know the rest  Big grin


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

at the risk of getting majorly flamed, am i the only one that wishes so very much that there was a button that would permit you to see newly uploaded airliners and airliners only? no gliders, helis, baloons, cessna 172s and the like, military or anything else for that matter but airliners only. Johan, can you try to develop such a filter?

Joe A.T. TEAM


User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Joe, I fully support that!  Big thumbs up

User currently offline737heavy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Sorry guys I'll get to work.

User currently offlineLjungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 907 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

Joe, Unique,

Count me in, as one more supporter!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Johan (Ljungdahl)



User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

Joe, im with you on that one ...
Regards,
Shaun



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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

Am I missing something here? On the front page when you click "view photos" it gives you a little box and you get to choose whether you want military, civil airliners, boeing, airbus, etc...... is that what you are talking about?

bruce



Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 732 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

am i the only one that wishes so very much that there was a button that would permit you to see newly uploaded airliners and airliners only?

Pah! Cigar tube collectors the lot of you! Have you no souls? Real airplanes are made of sticks and strings and fabric!

Boeings and 'buses? The muzak of the skies  Smile

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineSerge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

Hi Bruce.. I think its only "Civil & Military", "Civil", and "Military".. no "Civilian airliners" as some want...  Smile

Serge


User currently offlineAA 777 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 807 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1715 times:
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Joe,

Count me in on that one too

AA 777
Matt



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User currently offlineQantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

I would fully support such an option too.


Matt



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User currently offlineKereru From New Zealand, joined Jun 2003, 873 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

Bruce

I have been spending a good few hours per day uptill yesterday screening with a couple of others but it doesnt seem to have made a difference to the queue. As mentioned by clickhappy I think the number of uploads have increased when the queue came down to 1000. I have noticed in the past few days that the rejection rate for baddouble has been quite high, so it would help if some contributors did not load, what seems to be, the entire contents of their cards into the queue.  Wink/being sarcastic

I think a couple of the others have been away with other commitments and are returning soon.  Big thumbs up

Colin



Good things take Time.
User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 722 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

Why doesn't Johan just get more screeners. It's not as though he needs to worry about his wage bill.


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User currently offlineDavidEHAM From Netherlands, joined Jul 2003, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1591 times:
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A very easy way to reduce the queue would be to reject all pics without a c/n included (and the correct type). It isn't too difficult to find those, at least I can...
It would also be nice to have a filter that does not include photos of aircraft with parts missing, for example parts of the tail or wings being cut off. I usually throw them away when this happens by accident.

David


User currently offlineJetTrader From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 586 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1561 times:


"...so it would help if some contributors did not load, what seems to be, the entire contents of their cards into the queue..."

Well displaying the upload stats prominently on the front page of the site is only going to encourage this kind of mass uploading. In my opinion that was a big mistake!

For all sorts of reasons many here seem to be driven (read "obsessed") with hits and/or statistics. Affording people the opportunity of getting their name in lights (so to speak) just for getting 50 shots uploaded and accepted in any one day is like a red rag to a bull.

Serves no purpose whatsoever. Johan...do us all a favour and ditch that feature. Pretty please...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards,
Dean



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User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

I am getting my photos added quickly, no complaints from me, mine are being added normally within a a day or so of uploading, I am trying to upload in small batches and not all at once to help the screeners out and also, personaly there is nothing more boring than seeing a massive load of similiar shots from the same photographer in one lot i.e 20+ shots from the same photograher from the same day etc when I am going through the new uploads!

Ben Pritchard


User currently offlineKingwide From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 838 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

Well I'm doing my 'other' job [see URL in my profile] at the moment so I'm not doing any screening for the site. I suspect a number of people are doing similar non-screening type things with their spare time.


J



Jason Taperell - AirTeamImages
User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 722 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

there is nothing more boring than seeing a massive load of similiar shots from the same photographer in one lot i.e 20+ shots from the same photograher from the same day etc when I am going through the new uploads!

Ben I couldn't agree more but this might be due to the system as it now exists. I thought there was an earlier topic on the queue being altered so that your uploads would be grouped by the date of upload and not by your upload name. That would have possibly helped but it appears to have disappeared fairly quickly.

As for being screened and added within a day.....WHO THE HELL DO YOU KNOW BEN?

I've had 3 in the queue, not an excessive amount, for almost a week without any being screened. Dare I say I've added another since but still waiting. What is happening is yes the number of photographers ahead of me is reducing but the number of photographs just remains stagnant or keeps going up. Shame as I know some of the offenders but what can you do? Its called the "kiasu syndrome" here.

Cheers.



Etihad Girl, You're a great way to fly.
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

As you probably know, we still have a fundamental imbalance of screeners between north and southern hemisphere. This last week or two, the weather in western Europe has been mainly excellent, and even if we discount some screeners being on holiday, for those of us still close to PCs its not too difficult to choose between going out in the evening for a few beers and a bar-b-que, or to go shooting some pictures, or doing some screening. Sadly at this time of year, screening sometimes gets pushed down the list a little. Last weekend in the UK was Flying Legends at Duxford, and the PFA Rally at Kemble (amongst others). This weekend in the UK, with the weather set to be fair, there's the British Grand Prix and the Royal International Air Tattoo at Fairford. I know I'm not going to be sitting in a hot study this whole weekend screening, and neither are most of my screening colleagues - because of everything going on and the nice weather, its inevitable that less screening is going to get done, right at the time when submissions are at a maximum. No doubt next week we'll get flooded with Fairford pictures...

The easiest way to expedite your pictures through the queue is to only submit those of best quality. We can and do immediate add some stuff, but its only the very best that gets processed this way. If you submit doubles, or marginal work, they'll get stuck in the queue whilst they go through several screeners. This not only delays you seeing your work on the site (if it finally makes it), but it also increases screener workload thereby lengthening the processing time even more. Be selective and you'll not only help yourself, you'll also help every other photographer and help the screening team too. Of course, we've said this before, almost until we're blue in the face, and still some folks ignore the advice.

As far as "load[ing], what seems to be, the entire contents of their cards" is concerned, whilst ever we have no restrictions on submissions it is each photographer's prerogative to do this if they wish. Again however, this could be construed by some as selfish as it clogs up the queue with common subjects, and the doubles that inevitably appear slow down the screening process. Unsurprisingly, its not usually the mass-uploaders who moan about the length of the queue, its the others who they affect that become unhappy. So, as before, it would help everyone if people were a little more picky, but we've said this in the past too, and yet again some folks ignore the advice.

Andy


User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1520 times:
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Thanks for the thorough post Andy.

Technical question to the screeners:
When a picture is not instant-added and not rejected by the first screener, it obviously goes into the queue waiting for other screeners opinions. At this stage, is there a comment or series of tick-boxes describing the marginal quality of the image (to draw attention for the subsequent screeners)?

I think it would be very useful to receive this information when (if) a "marginal" photo is later accepted. It could be "the following photos have been accepted with the following warning(s)"!

I believe this would be a very valuable way of learning what is liked and disliked by the screeners.

From my personal perspective, I used to get 80% of my shots instant-added but now almost everything (of mine) goes to the multiple-screener queue. I'd like to avoid that because it wastes so much of the screeners time. However, if all these photos are later accepted, I will never know what aspect made them marginal, and hence I will not be able to tune my future photos to be better.

This suggestion (of a "warning" message when marginal photos are accepted) is only valid if this information is in the queue already. I completely understand that screeners simply do not have time to manually type new comments.

Tamsin



TZ Aviation - Aeropuerto de los Banditos Team Images
User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 732 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Can anyone clarify the point raised above - is the queue operating FIFO or are we still doing this pointless batching photogs together?

Also, I'd like to empahsise (again) Dean's comment about the stats obsessed search page - no added value and sending exactly the wrong message.

I had hoped some of my Duxford shots would have got added before the Fairford innundation, but sadly not the case - probably doesn't matter as it seems form the other thread no one wants to look at them anyway  Smile.

I'm not too bothered (I've got some up "elsewhere"  Smile ), but a system whereby those who play by the screener's guidelines for uploading are effectively penalised seems a bit unfair - there is clearly a lot of "place holding" going on and no apparent attempt to address this.

Don't mind waiting - and I certainly don't begrudge screeners their time spent on other activities - but the ordering of uploads when they do go through does, I admit, piss me off at times.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineAviator100 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2000, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1516 times:
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CKW,

Well said!
There's more than airliners in the aviation world!

Regards,
Ad


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

Tamsin - we don't have a "warning" option other than writing some comment to you which can be time consuming. Only Johan has the "added-with-warnings" function available. As far as your recently uploads being brought to the attention of other screeners is concerned, I suspect that it is our newer screeners being cautious with the immediate add function that is causing this all of a sudden - I know that if I see TZ Aviation I hardly need look at the large version (I do though!) as an I know an immediate add is almost always on the cards.

Colin - I am not absolutely sure what sequence the queue is operating in. I believe that it should now be by-upload-date/by-photographer. I too have had a picture in the queue for several days whilst others taken more recently than my upload have been added to the database... However, as you well know, the sequencing of the queue is a complex issue because its not only down to upload date, its also down to whether a picture needs several screenings and whether it goes on second opinion.

Andy

[Edited 2003-07-18 13:46:25]

User currently offlineKereru From New Zealand, joined Jun 2003, 873 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

CKW Your Photos.

Done  Big thumbs up

Check your email or database.  Smokin cool


Colin



Good things take Time.
25 Post contains images Timdegroot : I don't upload a lot, but when I upload a batch I usually wait until they are all accepted (or rejected )until I upload any new ones. Some people uplo
26 Post contains images Kereru : I dont upload very frequently but I have uploaded 3 on 14th July, it will be interesting to see how long they take to be accepted / rejected. Colin
27 Ckw : Thanks very much Colin - though I really wasn't asking for special treatment, mine were just an example of what I think many people are finding to be
28 Post contains images Timdegroot : Perhaps one should wait until the first batch clears before uploading more, but frankly the present system seriously disadvanatges anyone doing that =
29 Skymonster : Andy - same old problem? Lack of comminciation between Johan and Screeners? I suspect it is not FIFO though as mine had not been given a first screeni
30 Heliporter : I can just agree to these many uniform opinions. It seems that we all want the same - FIFO and around 5 pictures per upload (per photographer/day!).
31 RayPettit : I'm all for introducing the "badtoomuch" rejection reason that Heliporter touched on. Uploading say 20 shots taken from the same viewpoint does not do
32 Skymonster : We've discussed the quantity limit before and the conclusion (or a directive from the boss, can't remember which) was that an unload limit would artif
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