Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 660 posts, RR: 17 Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 17522 times:
I doubt you can get an unbiased view as I'm not aware of anyone who owns equivalent outfits from both camps. Whatever the relative merits, I'm used to the way Canons handle - any Nikon feels clumsy in my hands.
For what its worth, I read a review last night in one of the UK digital mags which compared all the current DSLRs (including the new Kodak). The 10D was placed first - part of this for sure was down to value for money - the D100 is certainly overpriced here in the UK.
Personally I'm not sure there is a clear cut advantage to either camera as such - both are well below par when compared to their respective prosumer film comparators (EOS-3/F100) - and any photographer worth their salt will be able to optimise the strengths and work round the weaknesses.
For me the more significant difference is the system surrounding the camera - I think the Canon lens line-up is an overall better package. I also find Canon's track record on innovation and development over the last 10 years more reassuring than Nikon's - at present I have more confidence in Canon coming up with a worthy successor to my 10D than Nikon.
Boieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17467 times:
Getting a fair test is something very hard to do. Remember different people use different lenses, techniques, post-processing, camera settings,etc... I personally see the 10D as the best of the two, however not everyone thinks the same way and its often down to the system you already own...
Planephoto From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 54 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17433 times:
For me it depends on the glass... I already own Nikon glass so it doesn't much matter, I have nikon. I had never seen or held a 10D until last week when I saw one at Circuit City. My initial reaction was that it felt cheap because it plasticy. I am use to the solid heavy feel of my Nikon. I think both companies have basically high quality equipment (unless you buy the really cheap consumer stuff, which I don't think is all that high quality from either company).
BUT... I have been using Nikon for over 10 years, it has never let me down, and I have no reason to change.
In stead of comparing the 10D and D100 it should be more equivalent bodies, like the D200
I think I have managed to use up 20 lines of text to be able to come up with no conclusive information other than I like Nikon b/c I use Nikon. Had I started with Cannon I would probably like it just as much. I am looking forward to the Nikon D200 and D2X, we will see then, maybe Nikon gets the edge. I was disappointed to see the D2H @ only 4mp but they were not going for big MP on that body anyway.
What about a MP comparison. Is everyone just looking for as much as you can get or is their a good point at which it really doesn't matter... i.e. is an 8MP SLR enough???? I would like to see the D200 with 14MP? - Scott
Fallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17418 times:
I chose to use a D100 since I was already using Nikon. I stated with Nikon, and liked how the felt, I looked at the 10D, but since I had enjoyed my Nikon so much, I decided to stay with Nikon and opt for the D100.
BigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4075 posts, RR: 55 Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17396 times:
Well, to be honest, Sam, I really am curious as to the truthful differences between the two cameras.
But also, to be honest, I do like to clown around a bit here. I can understnad if some folks from otehr parts of the world don't get my humor, but I know that things can get very serious and even tense around here, and I like ot lighten the mood with an occasional joke thread or little silly comments.
People email me and let me know that I'm putting a smile on at least a FEW faces, so I liek to thinkt hat I contribute in that sense here.
I'm certainly not looking to cause trouble. If I ever cross the line, please jsut tell me and I would more than gladly retract my comments and apologize. I goof a little the way I do because I consider you folks to be an importnat part of my passion, which is also a part of my life.
I'd also like ot thinkt hat I do start a lot of serious and educational threads as well. I'm not ALL joking around.
And yes, I relaly do hope to see you in September. As for seeing me with Tom, it depends if him and I are still dating then. lol
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11794 posts, RR: 48 Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17388 times:
As other people have said, the stuff you already have will play a very significant part in your decision. I'm currently using a Nikon F65 and I have Nikon lenses and accessories. If I do go digital, and I'm still not 100% convinced, then I sure as heck can't afford to lash out > £1,000 on a camera body that can't take my existing lenses and stuff. As things are today, my only choice would be the D100. If Nikon launch a 8-10mp D200 at £1,000, I'd have to be tempted though
I read the Nikon brochure for the D100 and it showed a comparison of the 6mp vs a 35mm frame. The 6mp only covers about 30% of a 35mm frame. David Bailey wrote a magazine article last year saying that 'serious' professionals (I presume as opposed to general newspaper hacks) wouldn't switch to digital in place of 35mm till the cameras start to hit 15-16mp. As for replacing large format cameras, he didn't offer an opinion as to when that might happen!
Hkg_clk From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 999 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17412 times:
The D100 was designed to compete against the D60, and even then the Canon often just edged ahead in many comparisons. The 10D is much improved over the D60, esp in things like Autofocusing, even lower noise levels, more iso range. I would recommend the 10D, especially if your starting anew and do not have lenses from either manufacturer.
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Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 17319 times:
You're wrong there Hkg.
The D60 and now the 10D were designed to compete with the D100 which entered the market first...
In the end between the 10D and D100 it's all down to personal preference.
If you don't have Nikon or Canon equipment yet (in which case the choice is obvious) go to stores and try them both.
Given the price they should let you try one for a few hours (on a deposit and leaving behind some ID of course so they can track you if you don't bring it back).
Then make a choice based on the handling of the camera rather than some emotional argument from a salesperson whose only business is to sell the camera that gives him the highest margin (Canon) or someone here who has an irrational hatred for one brand or the other.
My personal preference (after trying several cameras from both brands as well as others) is Nikon for their more efficient control layout and more substantial feel.
But that is personal and others might like the Canon layout better.
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 660 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17288 times:
The D60 and now the 10D were designed to compete with the D100 which entered the market first
Sorry, that's not quite right - the D60 and D100 (and SD9) were all "launched" in Feb. 2002, but the D60 was available a good 2 months before the D100. IMHO this was a major piece of luck for Canon - or poor planning from Nikon.
The cameras are so similar that I'm convinced it was this fact alone which determined the DSLR market leader.
Whether the 10D was built to compete with the D100 is open for debate. I think the D60 held its own against the D100 in terms of image quality, though the D100 certainly has better AF and some other desirable features.
The 10D in my mind was more likely an attempt to address the various criticisms levelled at the D60. These were catered for pretty much item by item, yet various D100 features were not replicated.
AAGOLD From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 545 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17247 times:
The others are right. You're not going to get a clinical answer to your question from either a Canon or Nikon owner as to the differences and why they own them. You need to read the reviews to see what they have to say as a result of their benchmark tests and make a decision based on that.
You know I'm Nikon all the way. Have been since I purchased my first one in 1970 and have never had anything but good experiences with them for both my land and underwater cameras. When it came time to buy the D100 I did read the reviews and compared both cameras thoroughly. While I had Nikon glass already it really wasn't a consideration because that glass technically could be used on the D100, but without any of the automated focus/metering features so what good are they. The majority, especially here on the forum, touted Canon over Nikon probably because it did come out first and got the jump on Nikon. But in the end I decided to stick with what my experience has taught me over the years ... that Nikon is a top-notch camera.
And the rest of the story you know. I bought it, I've shot almost 10k pictures with it and I love it.
Ebos From Belgium, joined Jul 2001, 520 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17262 times:
I tried the D100 with a high end lens and found the AF slower than the 10D, even than the D30. A fast AF is the most important feature in my opinion (esp. when you want to take pictures of military aircraft).
Of course you can read reviews and forums, but only trust yourself. Go to a shop an check them out yourself. I've read a lot of things in reviews or on forums that were not true (e.g. bad functioning of sigma-lenses on the 10D).
I agree the D100 is a decent camera but two of my friends switched their Nikon SLR for the Canon 10D. Sure i'm biased but it's just an observation (or my bad influence)
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Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 660 posts, RR: 17 Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17227 times:
bad functioning of sigma-lenses on the 10D
Is in fact true - depending on the lens and when it was made - some Sigma lenses DO require chipping to operate properly with the 10D. Sigma are aware of this and will perform the necessary service (for a small fee).
Planephoto From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 54 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17159 times:
Well, for what it's worth I love my Nikon stuff but I went to shoot today and my D100 broke as soon as I got to the airport (wish I had a backup DSLR). All I get is an 'err' and the mirror seems to be malfunctioning. It just flops around (maybe a busted spring or something). At least it is under warranty (barely) so it is off to the service center (BTW this body is on about the 12,000 picture count).
I have owned 5 Nikon SLR's (one DSLR) and this is the first one to break, guess it was bound to happen eventually but it stinks when it does. Anyone else have that problem with the D100?
P.S. Guess I will get the sensor cleaned while it's up there... anyone have any idea what Nikon (or Canon for that matter) charges for cleaning the sensor?
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 17110 times:
Whether the 10D was built to compete with the D100 is open for debate. I think the D60 held its own against the D100 in terms of image quality, though the D100 certainly has better AF and some other desirable features
That too is debatable. There have been many reports of problems with D60 output (mainly colour ballance and softness).
Never believe magazine comparisons as most are sponsored (without telling so of course) by a manufacturer, and it's a wellknown fact that Canon spends a lot more on marketing and is a lot more agressive than is Nikon.
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 660 posts, RR: 17 Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17084 times:
Much of the negative comments about DSLRs (regardless of brand) are down to people expecting perfect results straight out the camera. DSLRs don't do this.
Nor should they - for example, we all know (I hope) that the degree of sharpening to be applied to an image should be determined by final use - an 8x10 print requires a different level of sharpening to an A.net image. Output from a DSLR should be soft in order to allow sharpening to requirements.
The reported differences between D60/D100 are in most cases, not absolutes, but the differences in default output. Much of this can be altered when processing the RAW/NEF file - and has as much to do with the processing software as the camera itself.
There are, of course SOME absolutes - the D60 cannot, for example, use the AdobeRGB colour space. The D100 cannot produce the noise free 100 ISO images of the D60.
Canon spends a lot more on marketing and is a lot more agressive than is Nikon.
Agreed, which as I said earlier, is probably the main reason for the D60s dominance. Reviews can't be entirely trusted, though they can provide a basis for comparison if samples are included. Nor can individual "user" experience - at least 70% of complaints regarding either camera are down to "user error" or false expectations.
The only answer is to get your hands on these beasts, and try them for yourself - it is clear that any of the current DSLRs can produce outstanding results - you can't buy a "bad" one, choose the body and system that feels right for you.
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25 Wietse: Yeah it was the 23rd. So here is the full EXIF 2003:07:23 11:13:48 100.0-400.0mm @ 400.0mm 1/500 sec, f/8.0 Mode: Av Metering: Evaluative ISO: 100 AF
26 Lanpie: I do not have a digital camera yet. I am using a Nikon F80 with two different Nikon zoom lenses, a 28 - 105 mm and a 70 - 300 mm. I am getting good ph
27 Db777: There's a pretty humorous thread about the wonderful 10D at: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=5140039 A nickel to whoever
28 Mirage: I don't read it yet but let me guess... JPCAP.... Joe Pries - Cool Aircraft Photos Luis
29 Joe pries: yes thats me after a rough first week with the 10D. Luckily it was my stupidity and not the camera in the end. Joe A.T. TEAM or CAP- Commercial Aviati
30 Mirage: Just kidding Joe, so Mr. Boyd you can send one nickel to: PO Box 589 8000 Faro Portugal always welcome one more coin for the collection
31 Joe pries: no problem Luis, even if you were serious its no big deal -let me tell you i was a nervous wreck that week, i just got the 10D, i sold my D60 to Yevge
32 Mirage: As a matter of fact Joe, you have indeed cool aircraft photos. Luis
33 Joe pries: thanks Luis, and you take some awesome photos yourself, of the highest highest quality- i love your photos, you definetely have an eye for how to do i
34 Janne: Well, BigPhilNYC. I read your starting comment about not making this discussion into a war. I couldn't agree more and only want to make my own contrib
35 Db777: I thought the CAP stood for Canon Agonizing Photogs? I've never seen a photog cry and moan like I saw in numerous comments throughout that thread. Don
36 Mikephotos: Don, CAP stands for Canons Are Painful. I just finished reading that link http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=5140039 and co
37 Db777: In just one (below) of JPCAP's several posts in that thread, you can almost feel the Canon pain - it must be really awful to be tortured by Canon. I h