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Flying From CDG To TLV:BA Or LH?  
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6346 times:

I am soon going to fly to TLV and I would like to experience another airline than LY or AF.Now, I am hesitating between BA and LH.What do you think?What are the schedules for both airline?If I fly with LH, I would like to fly the A346.
Any advice appreciated.
Regards.
Sacha


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6335 times:

Sacha, I take it you are originating from Paris?

BA has the option of two daily flights from LHR to TLV, and with multiple connections to LHR. BA gives you the most options by far.

Are you flying in Economy, if so remember that LH doesn't have PTV's.

If I was you, I would take the LH flight as it is an A340-600, you don't realy need PTV's on a shorter leg  Smile On the other hand, BA operates one of it's two daily flights with a 777-200ER!

Service wise, BA is by far the best though!  Smile

Also remember that AF only operates A320's to TLV  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6330 times:

Thanks Rob

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
Also remember that AF only operates A320's to TLV

this is why I avoid AF when I fly to TLV!!!As for LY, I am fed up with their old 767s!!!I want to try something else for once even though it will take more time than a non-stop flight CDG-TLV



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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

it will take MUCH more time than a nonstop flight... Frankly, flying LH through FRA has nothing that exciting...the airport is under (permanent??) renovation, the security check to enter Terminal C is inefficient (had to wait half an hour until they "opened" the 2 x-ray machines at the entrance of the terminal; thus many passengers lost the flight to GVA and we were delayed because the luggage of the stranded passengers had to be removed....) so I tell you, FRA is not a nice stopover at all. And LH...I just went to LAX last weekend with them via MUC and back via FRA. Crews are very nice, but level of serice is low: uncomfortable and narrow seats (both on A343 and 744), no PTVs before 2008 in the best case, bad quality and small televisions, and most horrible food I ever experienced on a plane...!

On the opposite, I flew with BA to new york last january and I was delighted and impressed by the exceptional quality of the service (I could even change my return date a few hours before the flight, at no cost). This being said, I think it is weird to fly from Paris to TLV via London...which is exactly in the opposite direction!

Anyway, it's great flying to Israel, have a nice time!



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6268 times:

Finally, I will fly with LY, and again with a 762 Embarrassment .I want a nonstop flight!!!


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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

It is the best solution for sure!
BTW, the 767 was during many years the most comfortable plane in the LY fleet....much more legroom and less noise than in the 747, 707 or 737... It's a pity they haven't modernized the cabin and installed PTVs...
But anyway...TLV is really not that far away



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

They could have changed at least the seats...


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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6255 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
Are you flying in Economy, if so remember that LH doesn't have PTV's.

Reminds me of those "Why Lufthansa no PTV's threads"

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
If I was you, I would take the LH flight as it is an A340-600, you don't realy need PTV's on a shorter leg On the other hand, BA operates one of it's two daily flights with a 777-200ER!

Never new there was such a market between those cities as to bring those A/C

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
Also remember that AF only operates A320's to TLV

Jst for that I'd chose to fly something else than AF ! If there is one A/C i am extremely fed up with its those classical A320's. They are like the vanilla icecream of aircraft



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6250 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 7):
Never new there was such a market between those cities as to bring those A/C

Swiss also brings A330s and A340s(as well as A32S) to TLV.AF is the only major which does not send wide bodies at all to TLV.Sorry, but they are ridiculous with their A320s.Even Iberia flies A321s and sometimes 757s to TLV.I don't know when AF will start competition with LY on the CDG-TLV route!!!



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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6233 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 6):
They could have changed at least the seats...

indeed. But there are MANY things LY could have done to improve the level of service. For instance, they could have installed PTVs on their 737s flying to Europe...to offer the same kind of entertainment as on many foreign airlines using widebodies for these flights (BA 777s and LX 330s/343s for instance, as already mentioned). There's no reason not to have PTVs in small airplanes (I think MEA has them on their new 320s for instance).

Instead of this, LY is in the most stupid (and costly) process of modifying their great logotype into an ugly and cheap looking "modernized" version...



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6210 times:

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 9):
For instance, they could have installed PTVs on their 737s flying to Europe...

I think that you are dreaming...LY willl never install PTVs in their 737NG fleet.Their 737NGs still look OK from the inside:the seats are comfortable, the cabin looks new.
Look at their 762 fleet,first:those planes who fly to North America, South Africa, China,really look awful from the inside: no PTVs, old seats, old projector(which are often out of order by the way)...Furthermore, there are often delays with these a/c due to technical problems(when I flew TLV-CDG in April with a 762, we had 4 hours delay, and on the same day, another 762 which had to fly to Mumbay had a delay of...11 hours).What makes me sick is that LY does not react and still plans to operate such a/c for the years to come,without at least refurbishing them, and they don't seem to be eager to buy new a/c!!!



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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

Well, the way the El Al iconic logo is being destroyed is in itself sufficient to illustrate up to which point the current management is desperately bad.

btw, the borovich were the ones behind the collapse of Clubmarket, one of israel's main chain of supermarkets. it was one of the country's worst financial disaster ever, the company being finally bought by competitor super-sol, instead of being liquidated....

and you're right, ly flights are often delayed due to technical problems or incidents. their SMALL fleet is experiencing a lot of technical incidents, and I wonder if it is still a "normal" situation. for instance a few months ago, the automatic pilot of a 73G did not function correctly after t/o from Moscow and the plane fell several hundred meters, it was described as being a very serious situation. more recently, another 737NG lost part of a wing over Italy on the way to marseilles, and the pilot decided to go back to...tlv although the plane was already closer to its destination.

and hutzpa is not a foreign word at LY...They were still using old and noisy 707s when most airlines had already repaced them with modern planes. and 3-decades-old Jumbos (in bad shape!) were still operated for passenger flights until very recently. these are just 2 exemples...there's more to say, but I'm tired it's 2.30 am here in GVA......

but some thought back in 1998 that changing the great livery on the airplanes would be enough to create a new image. obviously, it wasn't....and a decade later, some other bright LY managers imagine that the new image will be created by butchering a unique logo, which is a real masterpiece of graphic design. maybe in a few years, after the livery and the logo updatings, yet some other manager will suggest to change the name of the airline itself into something more "modern" and more fashionable...



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6179 times:

However,I would like to say that El Al is not worst than other major carriers.I flew AA this summer, and LY is much better!!! For instance, LY cares about its passengers, contrary to AA.


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User currently offlineIDISA From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 8):
AF is the only major which does not send wide bodies at all to TLV

Not exactly, AZ also flies their A320/A321 onto TLV, as a (strange) choice on that market: all routes out of MXP to TLV, BEY, THR, CAI, DKR and IST are operated with A320/321 aircraft.

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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

Quoting IDISA (Reply 13):
Not exactly, AZ also flies their A320/A321 onto TLV, as a (strange) choice on that market: all routes out of MXP to TLV, BEY, THR, CAI, DKR and IST are operated with A320/321 aircraft.

you are right, but as you said, they use a mix of A320s/A321s, whereas AF only uses A320s



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