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BA Or Virgin Atlantic?  
User currently offlineCharliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 239 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13035 times:

I need to book my ticket to London for April and I have flown BA but never Virgin. For those of you who have flown both, which do you prefer and why? I loved BA, but I'm considering trying Virgin this trip just for variety and because I have heard good things about them. I will probably be flying economy, so I'm most concerned with the comfort of the seat and the amount of legroom (I'm 6'4").

Thanks for your opinions . . .

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User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4341 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13028 times:

Where you flying from? I flew on Virgin a few weeks from IAD and loved every minute of it. I can't compare what it's like flying on BA's international, but I've flown on BA's European flights on a 767-300 to Sweden. The A340-600 is a very comfortable aircraft, gotta love the big PTVs that many airlines do not offer in economy, the movie selection are somewhat updated, but they do show new release moves on demand. I might be heading back to LHR in a few months, if I do, VS all the way.

Kevin


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8341 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13026 times:
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Virgin is far better, BA thinks its the best because its been around since the British Empire. BA has been very innovative since it went private 20 years ago but there is still a BOAC and BEA mentality.

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12883 times:

Both are good. But if comfort in economy class is important to you...remember that both BA and VS offer regular economy seats that are at least 1/2 inch narrower than US carriers and seat pitch as little as 27", compared to average US carrier seat pitch of 32".

Try them out if you like, but I find both very cramped.

Between the two, I prefer BA. But I'd take a US carrier any day when I'm crossing the Atlantic.

Check out www.seatguru.com for more information.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4341 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12861 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 3):
remember that both BA and VS offer regular economy seats that are at least 1/2 inch narrower than US carriers and seat pitch as little as 27", compared to average US carrier seat pitch of 32".

Virgin's seat pitch in economy are the same...it's not 27 in...it's 32 inch. No difference. I'm not a tall guy, i'm only 5' 9", but find the seats very comfortable. I have pictures from my last flight on Virgin Atlantic in economy class, an A340-600, if you would like to view them, I'll link it to you.

In fact, here is the seat when I flew from IAD-LHR on VS.
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Kevin

[Edited 2006-09-28 07:40:53]

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12829 times:

Quoting GOCAPS16 (Reply 4):
Virgin's seat pitch in economy are the same...it's not 27 in...it's 32 inch.

I've been in the 27" seat pitch seats. Exceedingly uncomfortable.

VS definitely is more glitzy, but if you are of substantial size, a US carrier will be more comfortable.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4341 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12805 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 5):
I've been in the 27" seat pitch seats. Exceedingly uncomfortable.

Well, 27 inch pitch is pretty much pushin' it. Perhaps it was Virgin's 747-200s, I don't know. In accordance with seatguru, all of VS's fleet are 32.0 inch pitch in economy.

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 5):
a US carrier will be more comfortable.

I don't see much of a difference. Delta's 767-300ER, 767-400ER, and 777-200s have a seat pitch of 32-33 inch. I guess that extra inch does help. United's is a big concern, with it being 31.0 in economy.

I flew back to back from the US to the UK ealier this month. I flew JFK-MAN on a Delta 767-400ER, the seat pitch was 39.0 inch, I found the seat a tad uncomfortable on the journey while trying to sleep, but the legroom was excellent, but found the journey on Virgin as I slept like a baby for a couple hours. The leg room was good for my size.

But, if we're talking about IFE's in coach, VS would make Delta or any other U.S. airline to shame. That's really sad.

Kevin

[Edited 2006-09-28 08:20:51]

User currently offlineCusaeng From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12789 times:

Quoting Charliejag1 (Thread starter):
For those of you who have flown both, which do you prefer and why?

let the ba v vs discussion begin again ! woot woot !

Personaly I have flown on both vs and ba and I would say fly with ba. I also want to keep my self in a job tho  Wink. either way I am sure you will find them both comfortabal.



I wanna fly but they wont let me :( grr
User currently offlineCrosscountry From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12614 times:

Take VS
The service and IFE is way ahead of BA and the talk of 27 inches pitch is BS
Just flown the Atlantic on American...love the 777 but miss the VS style and the V-PORT.
Plus, terminal 8 at JFK is a dump.
I'm a VS FF and have loved every flight with them


User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12586 times:

Quoting Crosscountry (Reply 8):
Take VS
The service and IFE is way ahead of BA and the talk of 27 inches pitch is BS
Just flown the Atlantic on American...love the 777 but miss the VS style and the V-PORT.
Plus, terminal 8 at JFK is a dump.

Good point AA term 8 is a total dump. Thank God that they are tearing that down and replacing it with a much better facility.


User currently onlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12543 times:

Quoting GOCAPS16 (Reply 4):
Virgin's seat pitch in economy are the same...it's not 27 in...it's 32 inch. No difference. I'm not a tall guy, i'm only 5' 9", but find the seats very comfortable. I have pictures from my last flight on Virgin Atlantic in economy class, an A340-600, if you would like to view them, I'll link it to you.

At present the seat pitch on VS aircraft does vary from 29" to 32". They are however now refitting economy with 31" throughout which is a big improvement. This has started with the A340-600s (configuration 2) although I'm not sure when they will update the 747s.

Quoting GOCAPS16 (Reply 6):
I don't see much of a difference. Delta's 767-300ER, 767-400ER, and 777-200s have a seat pitch of 32-33 inch. I guess that extra inch does help. United's is a big concern, with it being 31.0 in economy.

Well Delta does have some Y seats on the above mentioned aircraft at 32" and even 33" but many are 31".

Quoting GOCAPS16 (Reply 6):
I flew JFK-MAN on a Delta 767-400ER, the seat pitch was 39.0 inch

Nice one, you must have snaged one of the domestic first seats. This is as good as it gets for transatlantic economy.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12521 times:

BA and VS are much of a muchness when it comes to seat, pitch, food, alcohol, service, and general quality, although I think BA has a tiny edge because the food is better and the service more consistant. Also OneWorld points are more use than VS Flying Club I feel.

VS has the edge IFE-wise because of the much superior (when it works) V-PORT system although BA's Omnia isnt bad for a non-AVOD system.

Personally I like them both the same, but once the new World Traveller is rolled out across the BA fleet I think BA will regain the edge. The dusked 767s have it, the 747s are getting it, and the 777s will get it last.

Both are so much better in every respect than any other US carrier that its not funny, and I say that from bitter experience.

The only other airline in Europe that can touch them in Y-Class is Air France who are on a par I would say. If they are cheaper, i'd try them if you can - everything you've heard from various sources about them being rude, arrogant, ignorant, surly, and generally crap are so far wide of the mark its not funny. Flown T/A several times with them and they really are top class.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCharliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12378 times:

Thanks for all your opinions! I live in phx, so I will go direct if I do BA and LAX if its VS. There is an interline space positive fare with VS, so I might have to take that even though it means another connection or a long drive.

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12371 times:

Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 12):

Phoenix is usually one of the Rolls-powered 777s if i remember correctly. You could do a great deal worse.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCharliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12306 times:

phx-lhr is a 744 and has been for some time. It used to be a 777, but I'm not sure when it changed. I flew the 744 over a year ago out of sky harbor.

User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12180 times:

Both are good airlines, it's mainly down to personal taste who you prefer. You may as well give VS a try and come to your own conclusion.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 11):
Personally I like them both the same, but once the new World Traveller is rolled out across the BA fleet I think BA will regain the edge. The dusked 767s have it, the 747s are getting it, and the 777s will get it last.

BA are making no changes to the World Traveller product. The 747-400, 777 and 767 fleets all have the same WT/WT+ seat. Do you mean the new AVOD IFE which the 767s are getting first?


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12145 times:

Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 15):
BA are making no changes to the World Traveller product. The 747-400, 777 and 767 fleets all have the same WT/WT+ seat. Do you mean the new AVOD IFE which the 767s are getting first?

I was told there would be a programme of service improvements (mainly food and bev i think) to go with the new AVOD, and that there would be new seats.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12076 times:

Given the choice, I'd fly VS. I've flown BA recently (LAX-LHR-LAX) simply because they were a couple of hundred bucks cheaper than VS, but I prefer the VS seats, service, food and of course IFE. The V:PORT system really is great, and I've never had a VS flight where it didn't work. I've flown the LAX-LHR-LAX route on both 744 and A346, and found both to be pleasant experiences. I especially appreciated seat 64K in their 744 - plenty of space to the right of the seat, and nobody behind. The seat felt like it reclined an extra couple of inches, but that might just have been a phantom effect. Regardless, VS have never let me down. BA, unfortunately from time to time, have.

User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12043 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 16):
I was told there would be a programme of service improvements (mainly food and bev i think) to go with the new AVOD, and that there would be new seats.

Catering and other 'soft' elements are about to be improved in Club World. No changes to the WT/WTP seats or product, it's only the IFE that's changing.


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