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Will The A380 Or The 787 Enter Service First?  
User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5762 times:

First of all this is NOT an A vs B thread. Also it is NOT a poll.

With the continuing delays in the A380 program, Airbus is announcing that the 1st (and only one) A380 will be delivered in late 2007 and a handfull in 2008. According to Boeing's website the first 787 will fly in 2007 and the first revenue service will occur in 2008.

My question to my fellow a-netters is do you think there is a possibility that the 787 can enter revenue service before the A380?

I think it is possible that the 787 can enter service first if there is another delay in the A380 program and the 787 stays on schedule.

Just my thought. Comments welcome.  Smile

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User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

I doubt there would be a further delay with the a380 - the worst is out of the way for airbus , that is why they waited a while , looked at all of their options before announcing this one!

User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

Bohica:

I'll keep it brief. Two thoughts, the first to your question:

1 aircraft of a given type is not enough to plan a route around, given the intended nature of the 380 (long haul).. So even if 1 is delivered whether or not it actually enters revenue service is debatable.

Also the 787 isn't even assembled yet so anything you get on this thread will be more speculation that's been seen on others  Smile

Thought two:

Quoting Bohica (Thread starter):
First of all this is NOT an A vs B thread. Also it is NOT a poll.

If this thread makes 20 posts it will turn into a A v. B thread. Also, how is this not a poll LOL. A poll might be a better way to go in all honesty.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21476 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

The A380 will enter service first, but unless the 787 has more than a 3 month delay, there will be more 787s in service by YE 2008 than A380s...


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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3477 posts, RR: 67
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

It's unlikely that the 787 will beat the A380 to EIS.

However, I suspect that 2008 will be the last year that the A380 has more seats in service than 787.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5694 times:

No the A380 will more then likley enter service first. The A380 is much closer to being certified and Airbus is most probably doing everything it can to bring forward the deliveries. Even tho they've said the revised schedule is 2 years later, this is probably a worst case scenario.

It would be naive to think that the 787 won't suffer some kind of set back. Boeing aren't perfect and are just as susceptable to the kind of difficulties that Airbus have had with the A380.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5681 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 5):
Boeing aren't perfect and are just as susceptable to the kind of difficulties that Airbus have had with the A380.

Boeing ISN'T perfect, but most corporations are better organized than Airbus at this point, and I really doubt that Boeing will have delays to the degree that customers threaten canceling.

Harry



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5651 times:

It could turn out to be good competition.
While the first 787 will obviously handed over to ANA, it could be few extra weeks for it to enter service so thus another carrier may beat ANA as the first to enter revenue service. The reason is that Japanese airlines are extremely thorough on training and certification when they receive a totally new aircraft type. Despite the type being an 788, NH will most likely use it first on a domestic route before moving onto int'l routes, just like the 744 & 777s.


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5640 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 6):
Boeing ISN'T perfect, but most corporations are better organized than Airbus at this point, and I really doubt that Boeing will have delays to the degree that customers threaten canceling.

Harry

Reply 6!! I win!!

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 2):
If this thread makes 20 posts it will turn into a A v. B thread. Also, how is this not a poll LOL. A poll might be a better way to go in all honesty.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5610 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 6):
Boeing ISN'T perfect, but most corporations are better organized than Airbus at this point, and I really doubt that Boeing will have delays to the degree that customers threaten canceling

You never know. Boeing are throwing a whole heaps of new ingredients into the bowl and no one yet knows how the mix will turn out. We'll just have to wait and see.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5604 times:

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 8):
Reply 6!! I win!!

I was just saying that just because Airbus is having so many problems, you can't assume Boeing will also. Most companies get by just fine without these types of delays.

Your post, on the other hand, contributed nothing to this thread.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):
I was just saying that just because Airbus is having so many problems, you can't assume Boeing will also. Most companies get by just fine without these types of delays.

Your post, on the other hand, contributed nothing to this thread.

Holy s**t man, relax.. I was joking around having some fun. This thread contributes nothing that hasn't been debated in all the 380/787 threads in the last two days.

Sorry I quoted only your post, it was a lark.. sheesh



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 11):
Holy s**t man, relax.

You think that was me being agitated? You obviously haven't read a lot of my posts.  Wink

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 12):
You think that was me being agitated? You obviously haven't read a lot of my posts.

Lol alright..  white  "Can there ever be peace between us?"  rotfl 



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5520 times:

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 13):
"Can there ever be peace between us?"

Why not, I didn't even know we were arguing.  Smile

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 14):
Why not, I didn't even know we were arguing.

You were supposed to reply "Peace?! There can be no peace.. only deeeaaaattthhh" (I take it you didn't see or don't remember Independence Day?) LOL



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

Quoting Bohica (Thread starter):
With the continuing delays in the A380 program, Airbus is announcing that the 1st (and only one) A380 will be delivered in late 2007 and a handfull in 2008. According to Boeing's website the first 787 will fly in 2007 and the first revenue service will occur in 2008.
My question to my fellow a-netters is do you think there is a possibility that the 787 can enter revenue service before the A380?
I think it is possible that the 787 can enter service first if there is another delay in the A380 program and the 787 stays on schedule.

If Airbus keeps screwing up and biting off more than they can chew and as you said it; another significant delay, the Dreamliner WILL beat the Whale-Jet into service laughing !



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21476 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

The letter A is way, way, way better than the letter B, and if anyone says otherwise, they are morons!!

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 6):
Boeing ISN'T perfect

Don't correct a brit/aussie/etc. about this.

We in the USA think of a company or sports team (described by city) as a single entity, and use singular verb tenses with them.

But they think of them as a plurality, since they are a group of people, and use plural verb tenses.

Neither is wrong, both are very logical.



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

A380 will enter sooner than the 787 but by a few months only if the delays keep up.

User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
The A380 will enter service first, but unless the 787 has more than a 3 month delay, there will be more 787s in service by YE 2008 than A380s...



Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 4):
It's unlikely that the 787 will beat the A380 to EIS.

However, I suspect that 2008 will be the last year that the A380 has more seats in service than 787.

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Which leads to another question....Which aircraft do you think will be the first to breakeven based on actual aircraft delivered, not just orders?

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User currently offlineEGHHwizard From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

The A380 is highly likely to enter service first but the daft thing is that it was supposed to have been commercially flying last March!!! Airbus have just been rushing too much and seem to have slipped up on a few areas thus the delays. Boeing on the other hand are taking their time on the 787 and will probably have very few if any delays.


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