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QF LAX-SYD: J V. F Class...  
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21502 posts, RR: 60
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

I am looking to fly to SYD in a bit, and am going to try to use airline miles (so I'll go whenever there is space). Using the CO FF program, a Y ticket is 80k, a J seat is 105k, and an F seat is 135k. I have nearly 500,000 available miles, so I don't mind paying the extra 30k if it's worth it. Flight 11 and 12 are blacked out for these awards entirely, but 107/108 and the other non-daily flights are valid.

I prefer a true lie flat experience, and as I'm flying alone, the single seat vs. paired would be nice, but if the F seat has any major drawbacks, I'd consider that too. Flying in the hump would be cool if nobody was next to me, too, but you can't be assured of that, as the flight could be full.

I'm sure food in both classes is great, and I'm not a wine snob that needs premium wines, so that's not a concern.

Anyone with experience in either or both have some comments?

Which seats in F and J are the best on the longreach? Which days of the week is there likely to be a non-full J section? How sloped is the "slope flat" bed in J?


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User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Good luck is all I can say. Last year I was trying to cash in a few miles for the same flight and could not get a seat seven months out.


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User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

Ikramerica,

Avoid the two most forward berths in first class if possible, they are slightly shorter than the rest. While all four berths down each side (see SeatGuru or the like) are solo those in row four are displaced from the window and closer to the twin berths in the middle. The layout is inferior to that in Singapore Airlines or Cathay Pacific for example, but much better than United.

It needs replacing yesteryear. Where are those damned A-380s.

The business sleepers are slopers. Good for the type, but inferior to the Air New Zealand or Virgin Atlantic product. The seat charts will show you the middle seat numbers to avoid on the main deck and the business class cabin on most flights out of America is divided between upstairs, and two main deck cabins, the second being a few rows to the rear of the stairs to the upper deck.

Cabin service standards vary wildly, but I would expect you will find them somewhat better than on United or American and so on.

Antares


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

1st class are lieflat beds, albeit slightly dated (due for replacement once the A380 comes along). Business seats are quite comfortable (make sure when you checkin to not get the center seat however!! 2-3-2... upstairs is 2-2).
The main difference is the lieflat bed, slightly more room (and individual seat with own aisle access), larger table, AVOD plus extra movie selections on tapes, and yeah champagne etc for 1st class. Upstairs is nice... I prefer this as its quieter, less people around and you have more space (business class that is).



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3966 times:
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I took Qantas to Sydney on Continetal award in 1997. Take the day flight to Aussie, it helps getting to SYD at night with a full nights sleep to recover; it easier getting awards for the day flight too. Since you have so many miles go First Class its ony 30,000 more then Business. Enjoy it to the max man. Coming back take an early as possible flight if you have to connect at LAX. One more thing, drink lots of FOSTER on the way, the bloody trip is so long you won't arrive drunk, I had 5 oil cans, cheers.

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
One more thing, drink lots of FOSTER on the way, the bloody trip is so long you won't arrive drunk, I had 5 oil cans, cheers.

Foster's is garbage, drink a Tooheys or a VB.

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Flight 11 and 12 are blacked out for these awards entirely, but 107/108 and the other non-daily flights are valid.

Not entirely true, it is possible to book to QF 11/12. Though not under normal circumstances.

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Which seats in F and J are the best on the longreach? Which days of the week is there likely to be a non-full J section? How sloped is the "slope flat" bed in J?

www.seatguru.com . Your best bet for a non-full J class would probably be a Tuesday. I'd go for the J class myself and save the miles. The Skybeds are nice and QF's F is nothing exceptional by F class standards. It's good, don't get me wrong, but not worth the premium. But that's all up to you and what your miles are worth to you. It's worth mentioning that a J seat would probably be slightly easier to acquire than an F seat.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7545 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
Take the day flight to Aussie, it helps getting to SYD at night with a full nights sleep to recover

Definately. Ive taken both night and day flights and I always try to go during the day if I can. As a rule flights 107/108 are always extra hectic. I make the journey down there every 3 months and I always try to avoid QF 108 if I can. Try to get on QF 8, its much easier, but it doesnt opperated every day so you would have to see if it fits your schedule.



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User currently offlineQFFlyer From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

I have found that upstairs tends to be most popular and mostly full, whereas downstairs is empty[ier].
Row 23 has the most room, although a bassinet seat, if you can get it, has more legroom and far easier to get in and out of if there is someone next to you.

Cheers


User currently offlineYUAMB From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

ive flown both J and F on QF syd-lax.

although the skybed is fantastic, i found F to be quite a big jump. The seat was much more comfortable, and the service was fantastic. I was seated in 1A and am quite tall at 6'5' and was still very comfortable.

definately spend the extra!


User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 6):
Foster's is garbage, drink a Tooheys or a VB.

Not to veer too far off topic, but Toohey's isn't much better than Foster's... VB is drinkable.... I'd take a Cooper's or a Little Creatures ( if they have it ) over a Tooheys or VB anyday.

Back to topic.. I flew QF12 LAX-SYD in July (in Y class) and the experience was fine. I sat in the last possible row in the airplane and was lucky enough to have only one person next to me. If you can get the last possible row in Y class then I'd go with that and save the miles - but it sounds like you have your heart set on flying J or F, that I can't comment on as I am a semi-broke college student  Smile

I think most of the QF flights from LAX-SYD are pretty full - dont' know if you can work around that. I'd say take your chances. Good luck



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 10):
Not to veer too far off topic, but Toohey's isn't much better than Foster's... VB is drinkable.... I'd take a Cooper's or a Little Creatures ( if they have it ) over a Tooheys or VB anyday.

I realize that, but QF doesn't have a huge selection of beer to choose from. Last time I flew QF, they had VB, Tooheys and maybe one other that wasn't Fosters.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21502 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 6):
Not entirely true, it is possible to book to QF 11/12. Though not under normal circumstances.

CO website says for F and J, you can't book them under any circumstances. But I assume that if you had to make a change after already booked on another flight, and if 11/12 had space, you could end up on them...

I'm going to look into QF 8.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 6):
www.seatguru.com

Is not the end all be all of websites. It's limited, out dated at times, and I wanted to get A.NETTTER views on what THEY have experienced.

Quoting YUAMB (Reply 9):
ive flown both J and F on QF syd-lax.

although the skybed is fantastic, i found F to be quite a big jump. The seat was much more comfortable, and the service was fantastic. I was seated in 1A and am quite tall at 6'5' and was still very comfortable.

definately spend the extra!

Thanks. I was leaning that way, as the best trip I've had was flying AA in F to NRT. Even though AA isn't the top service, I had the miles to go F, and the true flat bed made arriving in NRT so much easier, and jetlag much less the entire trip.

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 10):
Not to veer too far off topic, but Toohey's isn't much better than Foster's... VB is drinkable.... I'd take a Cooper's or a Little Creatures ( if they have it ) over a Tooheys or VB anyday.

If I'm going to increase my jetlag and drink a lot, it's not going to be drinking swill beer when my free ticket includes much nicer libations...



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
CO website says for F and J, you can't book them under any circumstances. But I assume that if you had to make a change after already booked on another flight, and if 11/12 had space, you could end up on them...

I'm going to look into QF 8.

I have personal experience that suggests otherwise.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
Is not the end all be all of websites. It's limited, out dated at times, and I wanted to get A.NETTTER views on what THEY have experienced.

I gave you my opinion and referred you to seatguru. Seatguru's coverage of QF is quite good. So, you wanted peoples' opinions and you got mine.



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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Flew QF 1st this summer LAX-SYD on QF 12 and it was great....much better and more worthwhile than J, especially on this long flight! If you can, use the miles now while you can get availability!

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21502 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 14):
Flew QF 1st this summer LAX-SYD on QF 12 and it was great....much better and more worthwhile than J, especially on this long flight! If you can, use the miles now while you can get availability!

Thanks. I also tend to like the idea of getting as much dollar value as possible for the miles. 135k miles = 15,000+ US Dollars in this case.

I also noticed that DL has awards on SQ, but unfortunately Singapore is way out of the way for SYD.

Maybe I'll use those miles to fly SQ to NRT in the future. In F, of course. Oh how I wish that A380 were going to be flying with SQ sooner!



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4634 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3544 times:

I used points to book First for BKK-SYD - 12 months out. QF had no availability so I had to book BA as a QF Frequent Flyer.

QF J is lovely! If you fly J, pre-book a seat on the upper deck. Call the airline and then get a note in your PNR stating that you wish to have exit row upper deck. I've always had 16A or K by doing this. Easy to get out of the seat, tons of room - one of the best seats in the house.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21502 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 16):
I used points to book First for BKK-SYD - 12 months out.

When were you flying? I'm basically open for any flights within a 4 week window, any day of the week. Being that flexible going to Japan on AA booking an F award ticket, I was able to get a nice 9 day vacation fit in there.



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