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The Strongest Airline In The World.  
User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16827 times:

I'm not talking about how good the service is etc. What I want to know is what airline do you feel is the strongest in the world - taking everything into account.

No biased answers please.

Emirates, BA etc?!

[Edited 2006-10-16 03:49:42]

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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 16611 times:

Without a doubt - Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV)

User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 16617 times:

Don't quite understand the question. Strongest = best, or most able to survive?

I'd say SQ for both


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11956 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 16556 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
Without a doubt - Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV)

I don't know if I'd call them the "strongest" in the world right now.

They are facing increasingly hostile competition from other low cost carriers that keep bumping into each other all over the U.S., to say nothing of the legacy carriers that are now producing superior yields with lower costs than they ever had. And that's before you even talk about their fuel hedging program which has insulated them from the recent spike in fuel prices and is slowly going away, and perhaps most significantly, their labor costs, which are now the highest in the United States.

I'm not saying Southwest is going anywhere anytime soon. They have the largest market cap of any airline in the U.S., they have a great product that customers love, and they have tons of motivated employees being led by one of the smartest and most focused and committed management teams on earth. All that being said, though, there are definitely some substantial challenges ahead for Southwest -- at least in my view.


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 16536 times:

...On the other hand, AA is the world's largest airline, and I am sure BA is somewhere in there.

So you could say the WN has a coveted business model, as they always turn a profit, while AA is the giant, having a strong influence over the industry.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 16380 times:

Honestly, I'd say EK...I mean, they're backed by oil, even if they screw up big time (like ordering a few too many A380s) they'll make it through.

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3254 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16339 times:

FedEx.

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/...beanID=1700974478&viewID=news_view



FLYi
User currently offlineSpeedBird203 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16316 times:
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Using my own definition of Strongest.. I would say British Airways due to my recent flight experiences with them. On a side note, I think you will get many of the asnwers if you want if this was in the Polls Section.


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User currently offlinePalladium From Indonesia, joined Apr 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16274 times:

Cathay Pacific - Singapore Airlines
Emirates - British Airways
Qantas - Air France - KLM


User currently offlineCharliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16237 times:

BA. They have the most extensive route network on earth and hold more clout than any other airline in existence. If BA says "we want to fly to your city", that city will always jump at the chance to accomodate and do business with BA.

User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16205 times:

Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 10):
BA. They have the most extensive route network on earth and hold more clout than any other airline in existence.

That is incorrect.

AF/KLM have the world's most extensive route network and have more clout than BA.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16143 times:

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 11):

That is incorrect.

AF/KLM have the world's most extensive route network and have more clout than BA.

It depends on what constitutes extensive. DL serves the most destinations of any airline in the world. So it can depend heavily on who you're talking to.

Jeremy


User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 16066 times:

Strongest Airlines - all included:

Southwest
Lufthansa
British Airways
Virgin Atlantic (maybe not in pure size, but otherwise)
Singapore Airlines

I think it's very interesting that no one mentions U2 or FR, while many mention WN... Not that I'm dooming U2 or FR at all, but I definitely wouldn't call them strong airlines either, so I can only agree with others in this thread regarding this..

My Top-3: WN, VS, DK... and increasingly SK

Kevin777



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15939 times:

I'd say EK. They have the cash to spare and a large route network

User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15890 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 14):
I'd say EK. They have the cash to spare and a large route network

"Cash to spare" should not be a criteria for a strong airline. A strong airline should be strong on the basis of its overall business and market model, not on the basis of cash to spare; this is the same as saying that EK is strong (partly) on the basis of the large oil funds backing the airline.

Kevin777



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User currently offlineWukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15813 times:

Quoting Gh123 (Thread starter):
What I want to know is what airline do you feel is the strongest in the world - taking everything into account.

No biased answers please.

You: "what airline do you feel is the strongest..."

You: "No biased answers please"

Are you asking us to play in your sandbox with you, or shoud we get out?

Feelings have a bias built in. That's why we feel the way that we do.

Would you like to rephrase?



We can agree to disagree.
User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4666 posts, RR: 77
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15755 times:
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Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12):
AF/KLM have the world's most extensive route network and have more clout than BA.

It depends on what constitutes extensive. DL serves the most destinations of any airline in the world. So it can depend heavily on who you're talking to.

Take away the US domestic airports served by US airlines and your argument falls on its backside :
Source Air Transport World, October issue :
" International Traffic, January-August 2006 :
1 AF/KL
2 BA
3 LH
4 SQ
5 AA
.
.
10 DL. with just about more than 1/4 th of AF/KL RPK."

If you're talking in terms of "system Traffic" :
1 AA
2 DL (that's my interpolation as DL figures are only from Jan to Jul)
3 AF/KL
4 UA
5 CO
6 NW
7 BA
.
.
.etc..


But I agree, as everything is a matter of opinion, this should be in P&P.



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User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15704 times:

It depends on what constitutes extensive. DL serves the most destinations of any airline in the world. So it can depend heavily on who you're talking to.

No they don't Continental does. 293 with their own metal.

[Edited 2006-10-16 11:26:44]

User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2876 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15704 times:

Cathay Pacific. They've been going strong for a number of years and look to continue to do so.

User currently offlineAdria From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15628 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6):
Honestly, I'd say EK...I mean, they're backed by oil, even if they screw up big time (like ordering a few too many A380s) they'll make it through.

I would also say Emirates but they are backed by a good business model and not by oil...check before making such posts


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15607 times:

I would also say AF/KLM. They are huge, profitable (can't remember where I saw this data but I remember them being very profitable lately), and anchor a major alliance.

Other powerhouses include AA, BA and UA, but to a lesser extent for various reason (finances, size, etc).


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 858 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15568 times:

I´ll say (in 5 years):

Qatar
Emirates
Etihad
LH
KLM/AF
Finnair

Don´t see any US carrier in the pipeline, always in limbo w/ Chpt. 11  Wink

Micke//  twocents 



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User currently offlineJoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15524 times:

Emirates seem to have a huge international market share.

Plus, with all those A380's coming in the next 20 years they will be stronger than most other airline.

Well thats my personal opinion

Bye  sly   sorry 


User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15274 times:

As this is the strongest airline IN THE WORLD, I don't think you can really see purely domestic US carriers like WN as being so influential outside of the USA. I'd say (in no particular order):

SQ/CX/Qantas - consistently strong over a long period of time
BA/AF-KLM/LH - traditional European powerhouses
EK/Qatar/Etihad etc are up and coming. Give them a few years and see how it all pans out in the Middle East aviation world. Some of them will continue to grow, others may well be stifled by the fierce competition.
AA/DL/UA - massive but again give them a few years. DL and UA especially need to find their feet again before they can be counted amongst the strongest


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5004 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15127 times:

Qantas
Lufthansa
Singapore Airlines
Air France/KLM
Cathay Pacific
American Airlines
British Airways


Just to least the main carriers which I believe are strong in the aviation industry to date...I won't list any Middle Eastern carriers reason being its to early...Give them at least another 20 years and then we'll have a NEW poll!

EK413



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25 Historic747 : In financail terms...Southwest, Singapore and as a few others have pointed CX, QF, BA AA and DL have strong route structures but to investors they ar
26 Byronsterk : How about Ryanair...
27 OOer : I believe you are incorrect about the labor being the highest in the industry. We do have the highest paid pilots and the highest paid CS agents and
28 UAL777UK : SQ for me. Great network, great product and and more importantly great market value!
29 BAStew : I think the 'strongest airline in the world' could quite easily go out of business a year later if faced with a combination of unfortunate circumstanc
30 Cobra27 : True, not by oil, but by kerosene and a good business model. They have lowest seat per mile costs, second only to Ryanair.
31 CF188A : Air Canada has one of the most efficient fleets in the entire world . They have emerged from the hole they were in years ago... and I just think they
32 PlaneHunter : Don't mix up Dubai with Abu Dhabi. PH
33 Post contains images Raggi : Hey, what about Alitalia? My vote goes to LH raggi
34 Anirudhvs : SQ is the best according to me ...but please tell me is it in a loss? thanks...anirudh
35 StarGoldLHR : VLM is a strong airline... Fleet of standard F50's Near monopoly on it's prime routes, inc major city pairs In and out of one of the world most major
36 BA787 : For once I agree, alrthough my reasonings different to your "I hate Britain Crusade" I think BA usedn to be one of the strongest but time has been un
37 Post contains images Justplanecrazy : well i would have thought that the strongest airline in the world is the one that can lift the most cargo
38 Post contains images BA787 :
39 Post contains images PlaneHunter : CP doesn't exist any more... Not again, please... PH
40 Pieinthesky : You've even started a seperate thread about this. What ARE you on about ?.
41 BA787 : sorry CX Erm what do you mean not again? lol
42 Pieinthesky : As there is no way of factually proving the answer to your question, all you are going to get is biased opinions. That's the way it is on here I'm af
43 Post contains images AA777 : British Airways.... You really cannot go wrong when LHR is your hub. Its the gateway from the Americas to Europe. And Just as easily serves America's
44 Pihero : So I'd ask you to check the figures : 1/-in terms of RPKs on international flights, the comparison between BA and AF/KL 2/-In terms of hub traffic, C
45 PlaneHunter : Dubai is not dependant on oil any more and Abu Dhabi won't run out of oil for some decades. PH
46 BA787 : I never gave a time limit!n My only point was that airlines such as EK that are built with oil money won't last forever mainly because oil won't last
47 Post contains links and images CP744 : Obviously, Atlas Air........ View Large View MediumPhoto © Pedro Aragão
48 Post contains images UAL757 : UA of course!! HEHEHEHE That wasn't very nice, you're just jealous of our legacy carriers.
49 PlaneHunter : It's simple: Dubai is not dependant on oil any more, EK is not dependant on "oil money". Have a closer look at Dubai's economy. And Abu Dhabi won't r
50 Jetdeltamsy : CX. Period. Deep pockets, highly coveted routes. They even own their own oil refining facilities.
51 SESGDL : CO serves no where near 293 destinations with their own metal. CO/CO Express may, but either way DL serves more with 296. Jeremy
52 Supa7E7 : I respect the idea that EK and BA are powerful. But I do not think they have the physical ability to throw metal around that the Americans can. AA, DL
53 Wdleiser : Lufthansa seems pretty powerful. They serve all over, make money, and are very productive
54 TIMEAIR : I would have to say AMR'S AA, as with AMR being the parent company and making alllll of that $$$ from the U.S. Government with their supplying compute
55 Post contains images AA777 : We're talking about BA as an entire airline. It has a huge long haul market share- this is where they have the best geographic location. LHR Serves a
56 BHXFAOTIPYYC : Ryanair are a very "cash rich" airline, with an extrememly low cost base.
57 Pihero : OK, let's. And still BA lags behind AF,. both on system (overall) and international traffic. And last time I checked, AFKL is one airline in all but
58 Hoppe777 : Singapore Airlines and Emirates which are growing with astounding speed. AA ? i dont think so, they may have one of the largest fleets but definately
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