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Oldest Livery Still In Use?  
User currently offlineRavel From Finland, joined Feb 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 18037 times:

Companies tend to change their planes' appearance every once in a while which is a pity - at least personally I like to see the same old colours on new planes, reflecting some imaginary company values, national heritage and so on.  Smile

I know that Air France and American Airlines have very old liveries and they have flown Boeing 707's with the current one. Are there any other really old ones in use?

It is a shame that Ethiopian Airlines and Delta changed their livery some years, ago their old ones were true classics.

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User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 18028 times:

Olympics musy be fairly old. Alitalia as well. Also Malev looks pretty classic.

I wish we had a few aircraft painted in retro BA/BEA/BOAC colours at BA.  Smile


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 18040 times:

Alitalia is definitely a winner
The current scheme was introduced in 1968 or 1969 and hasn't changed a bit, even the newest 777s have the Mickey Mouse black nosetip.
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User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 18003 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2):
Alitalia is definitely a winner


It needs a SERIOUS upgrade. Very much outdated.

Quoting BAStew (Reply 1):
Also Malev looks pretty classic.

I think it was introduced back in 1988 or 1989. In my opinion, still looks sharp.

Quoting BAStew (Reply 1):
Olympics musy be fairly old.


Right. Old and terrible.

I think Singapore Airline's is quiet old as well.


User currently offlineOwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17931 times:

I think Air Mauritius never really changed its 'evergreen' and timeless aircraft paint design:


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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17906 times:

Quoting Ravel (Thread starter):
very old liveries and they have flown Boeing 707's



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2):
introduced in 1968 or 1969

The previous KL scheme was also introduced in the late 60s and has been replaced in 2003. There are still plenty aircraft flying it though. It has been used both on DC-8s and B738s!


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User currently offlineN31029 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17891 times:

Hi Everyone.

Let us not forget that today's beloved "old, classic" liveries were almost all at one time yesteryear's unwelcome, futuristic changes themselves!

 Smile

Blessings, N31029



John 3:16
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17896 times:

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 3):
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2):
Alitalia is definitely a winner


It needs a SERIOUS upgrade. Very much outdated.

Absolutely not. AZ's livery exudes style. Too bad it doesn't exude profitability

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 3):
I think Singapore Airline's is quiet old as well.

SQ's livery is absolutely hideous and boring.

AA's livery is one that has been around a very long time (more than 35 years) but it has really held up well with age.



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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17868 times:

Quoting BAStew (Reply 1):
Olympics musy be fairly old.

I don't know how old, but I think they updates the stripes from multicolored to just blue sometimes in there, so It has been changed.



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User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17708 times:

Air-India's scheme is essentially unchanged since they got their first 747s. Not only that, but a new scheme tried in the late 1980s was dropped after an outcry over plans to drop the classic one.


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17625 times:

American Anyone?


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User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17550 times:

It's been said time and time again on this forum that American Airlines' decision to keep its scheme is not an affront to neo-asthetics, but the fact that the paint scheme uses very little paint and thus has weight and fuel efficiency benefits.

United, Northwest, and Southwest may all have very stylized or vibrant schemes but their aircraft are all heavier and burn more fuel annually just to be a little more "pretty". Customers buy tickets to get from A to B quickly, cheaply and with reasonable comfort... certainly not because airlines make their planes colorful.



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User currently offlineFll2993 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17542 times:

American for sure. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17498 times:

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 11):

Which would explain why its costing me $287 RT on AA to fly BDL-DFW-MSY when the next cheapest is 310 on CO :P



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User currently offlineBx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 678 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17435 times:

I think Iberia's scheme is quite old, it came out some time in the 1970s I believe. Mind you I think it is quite nice, how unpopular will that be. The main problem is that it fades quite quickly, bearing in mind the colours

User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17335 times:

Quoting Irish251 (Reply 9):
a new scheme tried in the late 1980s was dropped after an outcry over plans to drop the classic one.

This is so interesting! If you look at that scheme, it could've easily been today's invention. It's totally Eurowhite avan-la-lettre! Hereby the official A.net petition to rename Eurowhite to Indowhite!  Big grin



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17226 times:

The American livery has changed over time in regards to the titles. The font has been changed a few times, as has the kerning, though it's all be the same basic san serif idea.


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17214 times:

The oldest paintscheme flying around today probably that of Ethiopian, although it only remains on the 757 freighter they have. The passenger fleet has been unfortunately repainted into a bland eurowhite scheme with oversized letters during the past 2 years.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7404 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17171 times:

Quoting Ravel (Thread starter):
I know that Air France and American Airlines have very old liveries and they have flown Boeing 707's with the current one.

Air France livery was adopted in January 1976 to celebrate the introduction of Concorde in the fleet.
The first aircraft to wear this, then, new livery was Concorde F-BVFA.
The livery hasn't changed that much since then, only minor adjustement.


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Note that before this change in 1976, Air France had the same livery since it was created in 1933 !!! The only change occured in the early 60s, when the fuselage of the aircraft went from bare metal to White :


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User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17167 times:

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 11):
It's been said time and time again on this forum that American Airlines' decision to keep its scheme is not an affront to neo-asthetics, but the fact that the paint scheme uses very little paint and thus has weight and fuel efficiency benefits.

United, Northwest, and Southwest may all have very stylized or vibrant schemes but their aircraft are all heavier and burn more fuel annually just to be a little more "pretty". Customers buy tickets to get from A to B quickly, cheaply and with reasonable comfort... certainly not because airlines make their planes colorful.

Ok, so why did Air Canada try it and then revert? Remember the recent postings on the AC 767 that went in the paint-less scheme?

It was almost identical to the AA scheme. Bare polished aluminum. The conclusion was the polishing/buffing to prevent corrosion out weighed the fuel savings benefits.

And, remember that Airbus aircraft REQUIRE paint to prevent the composites from breaking down from the ultra-violet sunlight. The AA A300's are painted in silver paint IIRC.


User currently offlineKLMA330 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17131 times:

American Airlines should never change their livery. Love the silver planes. As they land in Miami, with the sun usually shining, they glitter as they approach the runway.  Smile

User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17089 times:

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 3):
It needs a SERIOUS upgrade. Very much outdated.

says who? Alitalia's design is perfect, elegant and still looks very modern. It was way ahead of its time.

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 3):
Right. Old and terrible.

lol that's crazy, and just an opinion of yours. Olympic's scheme has been updated, and it's one of the few elegant paintschemes left, and the most elegant on an A340. No ugly eurowhite nonsense.

seeing your flag is Israeli, that's what EL AL did, they changed a very sharp and pretty livery into the current boring white nonsense to appear cool. Then came PIA and copied this already lame scheme, and got it even worse!  Silly

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
SQ's livery is absolutely hideous and boring.

says who? Singapore's is one of the most elegant liveries to ever be painted on an airliner. Out of the majors, that one is probably the sharpest looking. No wonder it's lasted this long.

Alitalia
Singapore
Iberia
Olympic

All are timeless and awesome designs that should NEVER be changed, especially now. The way airline design trends are, any change would be for the worse!


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17071 times:

Quoting KLMA330 (Reply 20):
American Airlines should never change their livery. Love the silver planes. As they land in Miami, with the sun usually shining, they glitter as they approach the runway

I know, gorgeous. I can remember when I was so bored of silv er 727s landing at MIA one after another. Today, with some many boring white airplanes with only color on the tail.. i'd pay to see silver 727s again! All day  Smile


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4746 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17017 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2):
Alitalia is definitely a winner
The current scheme was introduced in 1968 or 1969 and hasn't changed a bit, even the newest 777s have the Mickey Mouse black nosetip.

Apart from slight modifications, Alitalia's livery remains the same as when it was rolled out in 1970. Some modifications include:

-Lighter green
-Removal of Gold colored "Alitalia" behind each forward door and black colored "Alitalia" behind the rear door
-Application of multiple EU flags and subsequent removal leaving only one
-"Alitalia" written in black with red middle portion of "A" on both wings, still featured on MD82, MD11, A321, A320 and A319 a/c. Boeing 767/777 aircraft feature Alitalia only on one wing now and one wing under the a/c.
-Application of "Team" stickers and subsequent (thank god) removal.

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 3):
It needs a SERIOUS upgrade. Very much outdated.

Alitalia's colors look as fresh today on new a/c as they did back in 1970. An upgrade to the livery is not what's needed. What is needed however is an internal make-over of employees and their work ethic.

At one point, Alitalia's livery and the airline itself (both current and past livery) were synonomous with among the best service in the world and a symbol of national pride. Whether they hate Alitalia or not, as soon as you see the Tricolore "A" you know there is a piece of Italy near you.

The livery looked best on 747s (IMHO), especially since that was what it was originally designed for. Continues today on what are some of the most beautiful 777 a/c in the sky.



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16979 times:

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 3):
It needs a SERIOUS upgrade. Very much outdated.

I have to disagree - AZ's scheme is stunning IMO.
Thanks
Alex


25 Captaink : But basically Alitalia wears the oldest livery, even there are alot of airlines, AA, KL, etc that also have older liveries?
26 Wingedarrow : Now that's as useless as it would be a livery change...
27 MIAMIx707 : KLM's look (before the 2003 update) was introduced in the 70's. AA's current scheme is slightly older, since the late 60's. The Ethiopian livery on t
28 NWADC9 : The crown color was changed, but basically it's the same.
29 Post contains images Gr8SlvrFlt : This one's been around since the early sixties:
30 Alitalia744 : oh come'onb now wingedarrow, you know I love Alitalia but some of the employees....
31 Post contains links and images Mygind66 : IB is quite old actually.. but looking still good Photo dated May 1979 (27 years old) View Large View MediumPhoto © George Canciani Enrique
32 Post contains links and images B6JFKH81 : WN's is fairly old with minor changes: Pic taken in 1971: View Large View MediumPhoto © Mel Lawrence Pic taken in 2006: View Large View MediumPho
33 Alitalia744 : not their current livery tho.
34 B6JFKH81 : Is the purple one their official c/s? I thought that was an anniversary c/s? My favorite is still Shamu!
35 N844AA : Shamu is a good one. But "Canyon Blue" is their new, official c/s. I prefer the old one, but then again, I think I'd also have preferred the old FA u
36 Jcf5002 : Sure it is... Although they have been painting a lot of their older 737s and 733s in the blue scheme, they are still keeping many of them the older s
37 Post contains links and images Cedars747 : What about RAM Royal Air Marroc View Large View MediumPhoto © Mel Lawrence View Large View MediumPhoto © Laurent Arsac Alex!!!
38 Post contains images AlanCHS : The first Timetable to feature American's current scheme was May 1, 1968 Lyndon Johnson was president America was involved in a unpopular war Martin L
39 Post contains images EGNR : The AA A300s have a polished aluminium skin, just like the other aircraft in their fleet. If it really was a shiney 'metal' paint, surely they would
40 IBERIA747 : Iberia's current livery was introduced in 1977 when the airline was celebrating it's 50th anniversary...29 years ago.
41 Post contains links and images EGNR : How old is TAAG's livery? Earliest dated photograph on here shows a 737 at Boeing Field in 1975: View Large View MediumPhoto © Bob Harrington - B
42 Baw716 : Alitalia744 is absolutely right on. The Alitalia logo and livery are as fresh today as they were when introduced in 1970. If I'm not mistaken, Landor
43 Post contains links and images Captaink : Are you sure about that? Because if i remember correctly the first A300s were greyish and not silver. And from what I have read, it was mentioned tha
44 MEA-707 : OK, reading back the thread I think so far Royal Air Maroc (pre 1962) is the winner. Runners up are American Airlines (1968) Alitalia (1970) Air India
45 Max Q : I woudn't call American Airline's a 'Livery' Its not even painted!
46 Post contains images Captaink : Considering the fact that a livery is a paint scheme, or design used to identify a particular brand, AA benefits from that definition. Hey come one,
47 Doug_Or : I guess technicaly its not covered in Alumnium. Its made out of aluminium. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I tihnk the 787 is the first
48 Captaink : Ok so now i am rather confused. IF this is the case, what are other airbii aircraft made of? The A320 series, the A330 series etc. I thought these ai
49 Doug_Or : Airbus use more composite than most Boeings up until now, but I believe most of that is in the wings and tail. I beleive Aibus just want the aluminum
50 Post contains links and images EGNR : All Airbus aircraft are primarily of aluminium construction. Some areas are made of composite materials such as carbon fibre, and on the A380 a mater
51 Captaink : Thanks guys.
52 Post contains images 747400sp : I hope American Airlines keep their current liver another 20+ years, it is beautiful.
53 Skywatch : Hasn't the Aeroflot livery been around a while? I know they are phasing it out, but there are still some aircraft in the old colors. ---Skywatch
54 Post contains images Gr8Circle : AI's current livery was introduced in 1971, when they got their first 742....the 'Rising Sun' livery, introduced in 1989, I think, didn't last for mo
55 Post contains images Cedars747 : Yessssss...........What is the prime? a free tkt to CAS would be nice Alex!!!
56 MEACEDAR : Would about Continental? Their livery has been around for a pretty long time, has it not?
57 BA : No, the current livery was introduced in the early 90's.
58 N1120A : Says me. It always looks dirty, even though their planes are spotless Canyon Blue is the official color scheme They are keeping exactly 3 aircraft in
59 AlexPorter : I think it is nonetheless the 2nd-oldest livery of the six US major legacies: AA: 1968 UA: 2004 DL: 2000 NW: 2003 CO: 1990 US: 2005
60 7474ever : I don't think you have a problem to read my username above my comment, do you ? That's a matter of taste, and it's MY OPINION. Respect it as I respec
61 Post contains links and images JuniorSpotter : SAS, anyone? Early 50's View Large View MediumPhoto © Flemming K. Fogh 1964 View Large View MediumPhoto © Lars Söderström Late 70's View
62 Post contains images Cedars747 : Nice try JuniorSpotter Alex!!!
63 MIAMIx707 : Well, Ethiopian would qualify if it wasn't because the livery is in only left in one plane and a new look ws introduced 2 years ago already. Before t
64 AirbusA346 : That's not the offical livery of SAS though, it is a livery for their 60 years jubilee. Tom.
65 EHHO : The previous "blue cheatline" SU livery was introduced in the early 1970s. IL-76 and Tu-154 were the first to use it, IIRC. Even the first IL-62s in
66 Post contains links GoldenParrot : Don't know if anyone has seen this yet but it seems like Alitalia's livery is now changing....have a look at this forum and scroll down the page to se
67 Post contains images RICARIZA : WHAAATT???? AZ's livery is timeless. Exactly! yeah right, I definitely pay $50 more to receive "reasonable" service on any other airline. That, I agr
68 7474ever : Well, apparently Im not the only one who thinks that AZ'slivery needs an upgrade...Just check out the new thread on the issue...
69 Viscount724 : I recall reading something long ago that referred to the fully-painted Airbus fuselages as being for anti-corrosion reasons, and that AA's original g
70 WDBRR : For many years it was Eastern Airlines landing in Miami with their same bare aluminum and hockey stick strips reflecting the sun.
71 Post contains images JuniorSpotter : Time to get the "ironic humour" bag out of the baggage claim, dude...
72 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : But if you compare the two pics you'll see that the liveries are in fact not the same. The cheatline is no longer on the windows. So, not similar eno
73 Post contains images RICARIZA : I find the proposed new livery very nice, specially because it keeps the most important aspects of the old livery. It is definitely an upgrade and no
74 Post contains links and images Alitis : Looks pretty much the same to me: 1961 View Large View MediumPhoto © Günter Grondstein 1970 View Large View MediumPhoto © Peter de Groot 2
75 Post contains images MBJ2000 : Looks nice, but they should keep the Mickey Mouse nose...
76 Richierich : Not to mention the reflective qualities of their livery help keep the cabin cooler in hot, sunny climates (such as Miami, Dallas, San Juan, etc.)! I
77 RICARIZA : Just to clarify, is not mine, I took it from another thread.
78 RICARIZA : BTW, it is not the final livery as I thought but a concept created by two Italian college students (Aerodream Design).
79 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : hey buddy, get my name outta there I didn't say that. Once again, AZ livery needs to stay, if anything modified to the following: I have to say that'
80 Post contains images RICARIZA : Apparently someone agrees with you:
81 Walter747 : i think AZ is out since they Just changed theirs
82 Walter747 : thats actually not their livery it's a mock up of one done by aero dream in the other thread they stated they'd be happy to sell it to AZ
83 MIAMIx707 : now that's a bit better.. The current titles would still suit this livery fine, and to me look better.
84 Walter747 : thats not the real livery its only a mock as i said, but the designers would be happy to sell it to AZ
85 DALelite : AZ needs to change their livery!! regards: DALelite
86 Post contains images RvA340 : 1) 2) 3) 4) This are some airlines with old livery that I remember... cubana, olympic, aeropostal , lloyd aereo boliviano I think they need to moderni
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