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DC To Toronto - $400 - Help?  
User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

Hey A.netters,

I need to go to Toronto for a Thurs-Sun or a Fri-Mon in November. Right now, all I am finding is $400 fares on just about everyone ($90 in taxes!). Since I was planning on using public transit in Toronto, doing the Fly-to-Buffalo-rent-a-car-and-drive-the-QEW thing doesn't seem like an option, especially since you factor in the cost of the rental and you get pretty close to $400.

Any suggestions? Does Air Canada ever run e-fares on this route? Is it worth trying to search for deals or should I just either suck up the $400 or 25k miles?

Thanks in adavance.


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4679 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

Hate to break it you ya, but $400 is not a bad fare these days, ive paid double the $$ for flights half as long. Unless you are flying NE-FLA, anything under $300 is a bargain


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User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
Hate to break it you ya, but $400 is not a bad fare these days, ive paid double the $$ for flights half as long. Unless you are flying NE-FLA, anything under $300 is a bargain

Oh I know. But you contrast it with $525 for IAD-LHR and $127 for BWI-BUF - and it makes you go hmmmm.

But YYZ is such an expensive airport, so I think I'm going to end up doing miles.



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User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4041 times:

If you have 15K miles in UA's Mileage Plus program you can use one
of their "Short-Hop" awards for an IAD-YYZ-IAD ticket (plus fees and taxes).



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User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4041 times:

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 3):
If you have 15K miles in UA's Mileage Plus program you can use one
of their "Short-Hop" awards for an IAD-YYZ-IAD ticket (plus fees and taxes).

Yeah, that's my likely choice. Or CO for 20k.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 2):
$127 for BWI-BUF

Since YYZ is right up there with DFW, MIA and SEA for being an expensive airport that route on WN would be my suggestion. Anytime you deal with a trans-border flight AC, DL, UA, AA and NW have you by the wallet with their sticky fingers since there isn't much if any B6, WN or F9 competition not to mention all of the fees and taxes associated with taking an airliner over the 49th. Canadian airports are almost always more expensive than their U.S. counterparts. Try renting a car at YVR as I did a couple of weeks ago, and you think the fees and taxes for car rentals at SEA, MCI, MIA are bad?



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4679 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 2):
Oh I know. But you contrast it with $525 for IAD-LHR and $127 for BWI-BUF - and it makes you go hmmmm.

ohh i hear ya.. ATL-PVD on a CRJ costs more sometimes than ATL-Europe



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User currently offlineCF188A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Departing Flight Information - Nov 17 2006
United Airlines
Flight 8555
Departs: 2006/11/17 at 06:00
Washington, Washington National Airport, USA Arrives: 2006/11/17 at 07:29
Toronto, Lester B. Pearson International Airport, Canada
Ticket Price

Adult Fare: 1x$395.61
Adult Tax: 1x$75.81
Service fee: $0.00

Total: $471.42 (CAD)



Best i could find m8....


User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Quoting CF188A (Reply 7):
Best i could find m8....

Yeah, that's US$419. I'm getting about $390 out of Dulles on UA myself.

Looks like it is frequent flyer miles for me.



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User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2114 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

And once you get there it's $40 for a cab, $16 for an express bus downtown or make three bus/subway transfers. Getting into TO is horrible from the airport.

User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 9):
or make three bus/subway transfers. Getting into TO is horrible from the airport.

well, really a bus to the subway. Where I'm going is on the Bloor/Danforth line anyway. But yeah, if you're going to downtown it is the airport express to the Bloor/Danforth to the Younge/Spadina.

But I have friends that I might be able to talk into picking me up.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26538 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3845 times:

Quoting BDL2DCA (Thread starter):
Since I was planning on using public transit in Toronto, doing the Fly-to-Buffalo-rent-a-car-and-drive-the-QEW thing doesn't seem like an option, especially since you factor in the cost of the rental and you get pretty close to $400.

Don't rent a car in Buffalo. You can take public transport from there to Toronto. You can get a regular Buffalo city bus down to the MTC station on Elicott and then get a Greyhound up to Toronto. It will be much cheaper

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
Hate to break it you ya, but $400 is not a bad fare these days, ive paid double the $$ for flights half as long. Unless you are flying NE-FLA, anything under $300 is a bargain

I never have paid more than $227 for MSY-BUF

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
not to mention all of the fees and taxes associated with taking an airliner over the 49th.

That is the worst excuse. The taxes only amount to about $20-45 more, which doesn't come close to the fare difference.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
Try renting a car at YVR as I did a couple of weeks ago, and you think the fees and taxes for car rentals at SEA, MCI, MIA are bad?

It is cheaper to rent a car in Canada than in the US, and the rental age is 2 years lower.

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 10):
well, really a bus to the subway. Where I'm going is on the Bloor/Danforth line anyway. But yeah, if you're going to downtown it is the airport express to the Bloor/Danforth to the Younge/Spadina.

But I have friends that I might be able to talk into picking me up.

Like I said, take Greyhound or Amtrak (from Buffalo-Depew)



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
Try renting a car at YVR

YVR is probably THE most expensive place to rent a car in the country. Don't let that discourage you from renting in other Canadian cities  Smile

I've rented in YYZ for $25 CAD per day unlimited km.

Kris



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User currently offlineDc10srule From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
not to mention all of the fees and taxes associated with taking an airliner over the 49th.

That is the worst excuse. The taxes only amount to about $20-45 more, which doesn't come close to the fare difference.

I think the diference is more than $20-$45, consider the following.

I recently flew on NW Worldperks points out of BUF to PDX and I paid $11 USD in taxes. Had I flown YYZ-PDX on those same points, my taxes would have been $108 USD. That's what was quoted on NWA.com. So I drove to BUF and paid $27USD to park and saved the other $70 bucks.

Ask a Canadian - our airline taxes are brutal!!!!

JA



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User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
You can take public transport from there to Toronto. You can get a regular Buffalo city bus down to the MTC station on Elicott and then get a Greyhound up to Toronto. It will be much cheaper

Cheaper, yes, but take about 3-4 hours for a 90 minute trip. Unfortunately, I don't have that time luxury.



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User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

IAD-YYZ looks to be about what, 8 hours by car? Assuming you own a car in DC, you may just consider driving the whole trip. Not thaaaat much longer than (drive from home to IAD) + (arrive at airport x minutes before flight) + (flight duration) + (seat to carousel walk) + (YYZ to downtown), which not knowing where you're coming from/going to I'd guess would be what, 0:45 + 2:00 + 1:30 + 0:15 + 0:45 = 5:15?

If you get 30mpg, that's $112 of gas for the round trip, although of course you'd have to factor in what portion of an oil change the trip necessitates, etc. for a true comparison. And PA is pretty.

Or Amtrak is $117 via NYC, but that's 16 hours each way - yuck.


User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

Quoting BDL2DCA (Thread starter):
Does Air Canada ever run e-fares on this route?

Oh, and, not relevant to your trip, unfortunately, but the answer to this question is yes:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/us/offer...r/websaver/websaver.html?src=hp_wn


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

If you're adventurous and feel like combining different forms of transportation, perhaps you can fly out of IAD or BWI to BUF and transfer to the Amtrak train that goes all the way into Toronto.

You might have to hoof it in the city itself by taxi or bus, but it might save you some $$$$$$$.

Best of luck!!



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User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Quoting Chase (Reply 15):
IAD-YYZ looks to be about what, 8 hours by car?

Try 11. Not gonna happen.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 17):
If you're adventurous and feel like combining different forms of transportation, perhaps you can fly out of IAD or BWI to BUF and transfer to the Amtrak train that goes all the way into Toronto.

Thought about that - if it were only that easy! Same problem as taking Greyhound, though. Too many connections and too much time.

Thanks everyone for your help.



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User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

There is a $357 on US from BWI.

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