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Austria To Calcutta - Via LHR Or DXB?  
User currently offlineKelebek From Austria, joined Oct 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7467 times:

Hey A.netters!

I just joined A.net after following the interesting discussions here for a long time!
Especially at the talks about Austrian to quit StarAlliance and enter Skyteam there would have been things i wanted to add, but I couldn't. So I just decided to change this!!
I'm really interested in Aviation, spending hours  Silly at airports and going often together with my dad, who's got a PPL.

I also looked up the old Posts in this forum using the search function to avoid posting an article already posted some month ago but didn't find anything.

I'm planing to go to India (Calcutta) in April.
My Travel Agency proposed me two possibilities,
the first with BA from Munich (MUC) (not far from my place, even it's already in Germany like you know) via London (LHR) to Calcutta (CCU).
The second would have been with Emirates from MUC via DXB to CCU.

The rates are almost the same, so i don't really know what's the better choice.
If I'm not wrong, BA operates the route LHR-DXB with an 772, Emirates DXB-CCU with an Airbus (couldn't find the exact type, guess it should be something like a 340?)

The proposed flight numbers would be:

BA949 (MUC-LHR)
BA147 (LHR-CCU)
BA146 (CCU-LHR)
BA960 (LHR-MUC)

EK050 (MUC-DXB)
EK546 (DXB-CCU)
EK547 (CCU-DXB)
EK051 (DXB-MUC)

Could you give me some advice?

Thanks,
Kelebek

PS: I'm still a student, so i will do the trip on economy  Wink

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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3224 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7457 times:

I'd suggest EK - just because connecting via BA through LHR is typically a pain (unless it's all in a single terminal) - and BA seem to have the worst reputation on delayed bags if it's a tight connection.

Anecdotal data - just last week my colleague and my sister flew BA India-LHR-USA (separate flights and destinations) and both had their bags delayed by a day due to tight connections at LHR (tight connections due to the first flight being delayed by 30 minutes).



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User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1473 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7419 times:

Stay away from LHR as a transit point.
No fun at all unless your long long queue has an outside view, rarely the case


User currently offlineKelebek From Austria, joined Oct 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7413 times:

Thanks, Nimish!
I thought so too, LHR is always difficult.
Additionally now I am also not really sure
if there are limitations on what you are allowed to take to the cabin (hand baggage).
I think this normally should also apply on Transfer passengers, no?
Actually it must, because already at every other airport where you go onto a flight to LHR you have those restrictions, right?

PS: I am a lucky man, my luggage never got lost yet - not even delayed. Hope it stays like that. (And I am flying a lot with Austrian, they are said to loose every 8th luggage unit. - read in an Austrian newspaper recently)


User currently offlineKelebek From Austria, joined Oct 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7406 times:

okay, you definitely convinced me  Smile
thanks dstc47 too!
by the way: I guess the EK-attents are fancier :-P


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7391 times:

No liquids rule is still in place in London. Avoid LHR if only possible.

User currently offlineRatypus From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7373 times:

also this will depend on the timings of your flights - but it's probably easier to change 'halfway' in Dubai than backtrack to LHR and then start one single long flight....

obviously depends on flight timings - you don't want to be changing in DXB in the middle of the night....but my guess is Dubai will be more pleasant - otherwise you'll only end up tired by the time you get on the CCU flight at heathrow, with a full 10 hours ahead of you...


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

With the current situation avoid LHR at all possibilities.

EK are decent at DXB is heaven compared to LHR for a transit point.

Here is a suggestion---Seeing from your profile that you are from VIE.

Why dont you take OS to directly to BOM or DEL [agreed not that pleasant to transit but still it will be from your home airport] and take a 9W/IC/IT flight from BOM or DEL- to CCU.

Karan


User currently offlineKelebek From Austria, joined Oct 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7336 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 5):
No liquids rule is still in place in London

i see, but IPod,etc. go fine?
by the way: does the liquids thing also apply to STN? I'm thinking about FR Flights where you (according to my knowledge) have to PAY for drinks. if yes, it sounds like a good income for FR too?  Silly

Quoting Ratypus (Reply 6):
obviously depends on flight timings - you don't want to be changing in DXB in the middle of the night....but my guess is Dubai will be more pleasant - otherwise you'll only end up tired by the time you get on the CCU flight at Heathrow, with a full 10 hours ahead of you...

yes, that's definitely true! I didn't think about that at all, that's a pity! Actually the flight times would be (a little bit difficult to read cuz you always have to think about the time differences *grml*):

BA-Flights: (Fare: € 555,-- plus €185,20 Taxes plus € 45 TSC)
1 BA 949 S 03APR 2 MUCLHR HK1 1 1155 1300
2 BA 147 S 03APR 2 LHRCCU HK1 4 1500 0510+1
3 BA 146 S 18APR 3 CCULHR HK1 0745 1400
4 BA 960 S 18APR 3 LHRMUC HK1 1 1530 1815

EK-Flights (Fare: € 635,-- plus € 167,-- Taxes)
1 EK 050 K 02APR 1 MUCDXB HK1 1 1545 2345
2 EK 546 K 03APR 2 DXBCCU HK1 1 0200 0815
3 EK 547 K 16APR 1 CCUDXB HK1 0940 1315
4 EK 051 K 16APR 1 DXBMUC HK1 1 1630 2055

by the way - I guess the K after the Flight Number is the booking class!? But can anybody tell me what "HK1" means?

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 7):
Why dont you take OS to directly to BOM or DEL [agreed not that pleasant to transit but still it will be from your home airport] and take a 9W/IC/IT flight from BOM or DEL- to CCU.

Thanks for that hint, karan! Actually i don't know why I didn't get this proposed. I will ask that! (Maybe fully booked? - well, shouldn't be for a flight in April, even i know the VIE-DEL service of Austrian has quite a good load.) Another pro for this option would be that i earn miles for my star miles&more account.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7327 times:

EK50 is mostly operated with A340/B772 and the connecting CCU flight always with A332. I guess you have a connecting time of 2h which is quite good for DXB, so you can spend some time in the duty free shops and explore the airport eventhough it is in the dark-night.
I think it is more comfortable to have a stop after 6h flight to connect to another 6h flight.

btw. Kelebek stands for butterfly in Turkish so I suppose you are a Turkish guy, aren't you? Big grin


User currently offlineKelebek From Austria, joined Oct 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7318 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 9):
I think it is more comfortable to have a stop after 6h flight to connect to another 6h flight.

definitely!
(also from logical thinking it appears better, LHR is almost 2 hours from Vienna and in fact "the wrong direction")

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 9):
btw. Kelebek stands for butterfly in Turkish so I suppose you are a Turkish guy, aren't you? Big grin

Hehe, i was waiting for that question! Actually, No Sad
I am 100% Austrian, but i have some lovely friends in Turkey (Ankara) and I always visit them in summertime at their summerhouse in Bodrum and there I learned some turkish words. And (at least for me) "Kelebek" sounds funny and reminds me to the great times we always spent there in Türkbükü, Yalikavak, etc.  Smile Additionally a kelebek also flys around, like I do. So there is some connection to my person and to aviation in general

-> sorry guys for drifting a little bit off-topic.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7315 times:

Quoting Kelebek (Reply 10):
Hehe, i was waiting for that question! Actually, No
I am 100% Austrian, but i have some lovely friends in Turkey (Ankara) and I always visit them in summertime at their summerhouse in Bodrum and there I learned some turkish words. And (at least for me) "Kelebek" sounds funny and reminds me to the great times we always spent there in Türkbükü, Yalikavak, etc. Additionally a kelebek also flys around, like I do. So there is some connection to my person and to aviation in general

aaaahh... don't remind me of that lovely and beautiful place of the world. I really like to be there and spend my holiday there. Bodrum is one of the most beautiful cities in Turkey in my eyes.
Funny connection between aviation, language and the nature  Wink lovely...

maybe you understand than "a.net'e hos geldin"  Wink


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7260 times:

I would definitely go BA and transitting through LHR is not as bad as you imagine especially if you are an a.netter and an aviation enthusiast. BA's service is great and better than EK's in Economy...


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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7232 times:

Quoting Kelebek (Reply 8):
But can anybody tell me what "HK1" means

HK means confirmed and the one stands for you  Smile = confirmed one seat.

If 5 are travelling than it reads HK5.


User currently offlineJustbala From India, joined Feb 2006, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7190 times:

Quoting Kelebek (Reply 8):
Why dont you take OS to directly to BOM or DEL [agreed not that pleasant to transit but still it will be from your home airport] and take a 9W/IC/IT flight from BOM or DEL- to CCU

Agree with Karan on that point. If you continue onwards on 9W u cud earn further points on ur miles n more account due to the tie up between 9W and OS.

But on the downside u wud have to spend a nite @ BOM/DEL idling away at the airport.

LH was starting FRA-CCU operations. Not sure when tht wud commence.



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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7123 times:

Quoting Justbala (Reply 14):
LH was starting FRA-CCU operations. Not sure when tht wud commence

That starts on Dec 15th (LH750). It runs 3-weekly (1, 3, 5) with a 3-class A343.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3224 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7123 times:

Quoting Kelebek (Reply 8):
by the way - I guess the K after the Flight Number is the booking class!? But can anybody tell me what "HK1" means?

HK1 - already explained. In addition I've seen HL1 => Waitlist, RR1 => Reconfirmed as the other codes.

Quoting Kelebek (Reply 8):
1 BA 949 S 03APR 2 MUCLHR HK1 1 1155 1300
2 BA 147 S 03APR 2 LHRCCU HK1 4 1500 0510+1
3 BA 146 S 18APR 3 CCULHR HK1 0745 1400
4 BA 960 S 18APR 3 LHRMUC HK1 1 1530 1815

This is not a good option since you need to change from Terminal 4 to 1 and v.v. And the 1:30 connection time is way too optimistic for LHR! Fly BA only at the risk of missing your connection, or bags being delayed or both.



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User currently offlineKelebek From Austria, joined Oct 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

Quoting Justbala (Reply 14):
But on the downside u wud have to spend a nite @ BOM/DEL idling away at the airport.

wow, your amazing - even faster than the travel agency  Smile
i got the same information from them.

2 OS 035 Q 30MAR 5 VIEBOM HK1 1120 2240
3 1S2 223 M 31MAR 6 BOMCCU HK1 0730 1000
4 S2 316 M 16APR 1 CCUBOM HK1 1440 1720
5 OS 036 Q 17APR 2 BOMVIE HK1 0040 0530

So according to this I'd say this is not an option. Also because this route's rate is about 150 Euro higher than the EK-option.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 16):
HK1 - already explained. In addition I've seen HL1 => Waitlist, RR1 => Reconfirmed as the other codes.

thanks for explanation! May I ask where you have got all that knowledge from, it's really amazing! Are you working in that sector or are you just so much into aviation that you got this knowledge over the year?

Quoting Nimish (Reply 16):
This is not a good option since you need to change from Terminal 4 to 1 and v.v. And the 1:30 connection time is way too optimistic for LHR! Fly BA only at the risk of missing your connection, or bags being delayed or both.

yes, the LHR options appears more and more as the less good one. Only "AIR MALTA" mentioned the better service at BA in comparison to EK.
Missing a connection with such a flight is a huge problem in my mind.
If I miss my plane on a trip from VIE to FRA it's no big deal, i take the next plane one or maybe two hours later. But to CCU I guess there is definitely not more than one plane a day, maybe just a few in the whole week.
And because I am participating at a round trip (Rotary-Camp) there starting from Calcutta at the 1st of April, missing a link is a huge problem! (Same for luggage, i think I will not be on the same place for more than a day during those two weeks there)

Quoting Justbala (Reply 14):
LH was starting FRA-CCU operations.

That's true, I heard the same thing and also asked for the rates (i think the chic in the agency starts to love me :-P) and they are even higher than the options with OS via DEL/BOM - according to her "because of the new aircraft used and the better seats, entertainment program and that stuff" I am not really sure if this is a valid argument - okay for business or first maybe cuz of the flat beds etc. but for economy?

PS: I often wanted to find out all flight details, Aircraft type, etc. when I just got a flight number. Could you give me a hint where I find such a look up-service on the net? I mean not live-tracking but like looking for details about OS 035 in April for example. Interesting would also be not just the first aircraft choice but also 2nd or 3rd used on the route, because the one shown to me in the Amadeus booking system is often changed by Austrian for example from a A321 to a Fokker 70 due to low load.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

Quoting Kelebek (Reply 17):
PS: I often wanted to find out all flight details, Aircraft type, etc. when I just got a flight number. Could you give me a hint where I find such a look up-service on the net? I mean not live-tracking but like looking for details about OS 035 in April for example. Interesting would also be not just the first aircraft choice but also 2nd or 3rd used on the route, because the one shown to me in the Amadeus booking system is often changed by Austrian for example from a A321 to a Fokker 70 due to low load.

I always use http://www.amadeus.net/home/new/de/timetable_de.htm Amadeus for that kind of search


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