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Airbus Vs Boeing Over The Pond  
User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7988 times:

So I am planning a trip to Europe, Spain and Portugal to be exact, and I am going on airline miles. I have 100,000 with AA and 100,000 with UA. I have come down to TAP, AA, and Iberia.

So my question is, what equipment is better for flying over the Atlantic? I have heard that the A340 has some problems with flying threw turbulance and gets pretty shaky. Is this true?

My options:

TAP: A330
Iberia: A340
AA: 777

What airframe is better for flying over the pond. Is there the trubulance flying over the Atlantic like there is over the Pacific?


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User currently offlineAmerican777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7981 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Thread starter):
AA: 777

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JOE.  Wink


User currently offlineGmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7973 times:

I personally like AA 777 but have not been on an A340 so I can't compare the models.

User currently offlineTrijetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7942 times:
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Does AA fly to Lisbon?


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7950 times:

If you had to choose between an A346 and 777, then it would be a tough choice,
as both have their "pros and cons"... but between an A343 and 777..not even close..

Of course for me, the choice is not even close either.... biggrin 



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User currently offlineAnax From Greece, joined Sep 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7937 times:

Oooops... put your helmets on ladies and gentlemen!!!  white 


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User currently offlineHeavy747 From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7936 times:

I like the 777 and the A340.. Hard to say as long as its not a 767. I find the air too dry sometimes and it hurts my nose on boeings. Personally i love the A340's but i flew a 777 from JFK to GRU and it was great. For space i think the 777 will be better, but the 340 is also a really smooth flight, also nice and quiet. I would go for the one you have never flown before, or if you havent flown on either, I would go for the 777 because you have to experience the power of those engines.

Andrew



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7854 times:

I have flown on an 777 before. It is my second favorite to the MD11.

Quoting TrijetFan1 (Reply 3):
Does AA fly to Lisbon?

I am not sure but I do not think so.

It would be JFK-LIS on TAP with the A330.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
If you had to choose between an A346 and 777, then it would be a tough choice,
as both have their "pros and cons"... but between an A343 and 777..not even close..

Here are the choices:

777 with AA from MIA - MAD
A330 with TAP from JFK - LIS
A343 with Iberia from MIA - MAD

So please explain with the A343 as that would be the aircraft. I have never flown that before. I have only flown the 777 and the A330 with US

I have a bit of a problem though, I do not like being on long flights with no room to move around. I will never fly US to LIS on the 757 or anywhere in Europe with an 757. So what one has the most room to move around in?

If all else fails, my other option is LH (747) from SFO - FRA and then LH down to MAD



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User currently offlineReins485 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7819 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 7):
777 with AA from MIA - MAD

AA doesn't use the 777 for their MIA-MAD flights, they only use 767-300 and I have heard it goes out packed most nights.


Alex


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7820 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 7):

777 with AA from MIA - MAD
A330 with TAP from JFK - LIS
A343 with Iberia from MIA - MAD

A343 I've found to be "underpowered".....the A330's are nice...but the 777 is quite the spacious plane...

AA's service isn't bad either...

The sound of the RR-Trent 892's are music to my ears... cloudnine 

I took this photo sitting on a window seat of AA's 777-200ER..... biggrin 




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User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7816 times:

Both 777 or 340 should be fine...believe me. Just compare the different options such as PTVs or seat pitch.


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User currently offlineAzoresLover From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 759 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7801 times:
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I've flown both the 343 and the 777. I've also made three trips on TAP, and I very much like that airline, excellent service. So I would be tempted to fly TAP to LIS. While I thought the 343 was very comfortable for the 12 1/2 hour wheels up to wheels down flight I took on one, (MNL-SFO), I much prefer the 777. You'll have plenty of room inside to move around. And AA is a good airline.

I've never flown IB so I can't comment on it.

All things considered, if I were making the trip it'd be on the AA 777 from MIA-MAD.



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7765 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
I took this photo sitting on a window seat of AA's 777-200ER

Funny because the IB plane is right behind it haha. Thanks for the photo though!

Quoting Reins485 (Reply 8):
AA doesn't use the 777 for their MIA-MAD flights, they only use 767-300 and I have heard it goes out packed most nights.

Well when I looked at it on Orbitz a few days ago it said 777. Orbitz mush have had it wrong. And as of right now, both IB A343 and the AA 767 are both not even close to half full. But my trip is not till July but I would like to get my reservation in with my miles here soon. Myself and my friend would like to go for a 3 week trip and hop around Europe in Portugal, Germany, Italy, and France. Trip report will deffinatly be in the making

So how does the A343 handle in turbulance vs the 777. The A330 seems to do fine in what I have experianced.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7711 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 7):
Here are the choices:

777 with AA from MIA - MAD
A330 with TAP from JFK - LIS
A343 with Iberia from MIA - MAD

TAP does not fly out of JFK. They use Newark.


User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

I've never flown on an A340 or a 777, so I can't comment, but I can tell you that given the choice between IB and anyone else on a longhaul flight, go for the other carrier. I flew MIA-MAD on an Iberia 747-300 a couple years ago, it was great to fly on a classic jumbo but the crew was quite rude and the food and service were pretty poor.

User currently offlineAlibo5NGN From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 773 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7690 times:
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Quoting QXatFAT (Thread starter):
What airframe is better for flying over the pond.

I fly regularly on 747s, 777s and A340-300s over the Atlantic and the Sahara Desert. I have not yet flown the Airbus A340-600. They all are similar when it comes to turbulence. The 747s are large enough to reduce the effects of small to medium turbulence. The 777 has power and structural strength. The A340s has size and stability from the long wing span and 4 engines.

The most important thing about turbulence is the time of year. In my experience, there is less turbulence flying over the Atlantic in winter than in summer. Pilot skills and experience are important factors on how a plane is handled and flown over an area of turbulence.

I can usually tell who is flying - the Captain or non Captain First Officer. The experience tends to be worse when a newbie Flight Officer is flying. If you hear that one of those hurricanes from the Caribbean is heading out to the Canadian seaboard after drenching New England with heavy rains then you must expect some turbulence. A lot of turbulence also occurs when the pilot breaks into the jet stream between Boston MA and NewFoundLand, Canada in order to get some tail wind.

In general there is far more turbulence over the Sahara desert than over the Atlantic.

Good luck.  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

I can't speak to TAP, but Iberia's service in Business Class is leagues ahead of AA's.

If you have 100,000 miles and don't mind blowing 80K, go with Iberia.

Airframe won't really matter on this one. If it's between AA and IB, you'll have a much better experience on IB.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7653 times:

Just a word of caution with your seat choice. My uncle and I flew AMS-MSP on a NW A333 and sat in near the back of the wing in the forward economy section and there was some weird vibration the whole flight. It got a little bit annoying and caused my uncle a headache by the end of the flight, although it didn't bother me as much. Just maybe don't pick seats that will be effected so greatly by engine vibration.

I loved my flight on a 777 JFK-LAX, but that was in F so it wasn't really comparable to the A330 flight I had. Just go with your gut and the one that interest you the most. 777s, A340s, and A330s will be around for many years and you'll most likely have a chance to ride on each.


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 16):
If you have 100,000 miles and don't mind blowing 80K, go with Iberia

I would rather not put down the 80,000 miles for the upgrade. I would have no problem paying for the upgrade though. How much do you think that would be? Miles just seem so precious to me. My father and I would like to go back to MAO and BVB (Boa Vista, Brasil) here soon and use some miles for that trip as well.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 13):
TAP does not fly out of JFK. They use Newark.

Sorry im just loosing it today. Thank you!

Quoting Alibo5NGN (Reply 15):

Thank you Alibo! Very informative. I am obveusly not a big fan of the turbulance. Expecially flying over large bodys of water. My flight on JAL to NRT was not the greatest of flights over the Pacific so I kind of always have that in my mind.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7576 times:

If you're claustrophobic, the 747 and 777 are both several feet wider than the A330/340, but I don't think that would be a major factor for most people.

One advantage both the 747 and 777 have over the Airbus types is that they're slightly faster, and the 747 is still the fastest of all current commercial types, although the difference vs. the 777 is minimal. On a 10 hour flight, a 747 or 777 will probably arrive about 30 minutes earlier than an A330/340 or B767, although on transatlantic routes ATC restrictions often require less than optimum speeds to avoid catching up to a slower aircraft on the same routing/altitude. I recall a flight 2 or 3 years ago LHR-IAD on a Virgin 747-400. Could see an A330 (US Airways) quite close but probably 2000 feet below, heading in the same direction. Over about 15 minutes the A330 went from being well ahead to dropping out of sight behind. The speed difference was very noticeable.

Personally I like the B767 when travelling economy although it doesn't break any speed records either. It's the narrowest of the widebodies but the resulting 2-3-2 seating gives you the lowest probability (1 in 7) of getting stuck in a middle seat on a full flight, vs 1 in 4 on an A330/340 with 2-4-2 seating, and 1 in 3 on a 777 with either 3-3-3 (most common) or 2-5-2 (ignoring the few carriers such as EK and TG with 10-abreast 3-4-3 seating on 777s). The 747 with 3-4-3 seating (and 10 abreast 777s) has the highest probability of a middle seat (1 in 2.25).

Another factor that offsets the slightly slower speed of a B767 or A330 is the smaller seating capacity which expedites boarding/deplaning. And with up to 200 fewer passengers than on one of the larger widebodies like the 747, 777-300 or A340-600, there's less baggage to unload so you may not have to wait quite as long at baggage claim. And obviously if you're the last one off a 425 seat 747 you're going to have a longer wait at customs/immigration than the last one off a 220 seat 767 or A330.


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
Personally I like the B767

As do I. I use them when I fly down to GRU on DL getting a window seat.

So it sounds like a 777 is kind of my choice right now. I deffinatly would like to experiance the likes of IB though. I just feel so terrified of the A343! For some reason that bird just freaks me out!

Should I re-look at my bookings and try to fly from LAX or SFO all the way to Europe and get a connecting flight there? Or should I stick with flying out of SFO to MIA and going across there to MAD?



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7491 times:

After flying FRA-ORD on one of UA's B777s last Thursday, I can only give you one single recommendation (which I would have given you before as well, but that flight pretty much reconfirmed my opinion)...

Take the A340.



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 20):
I just feel so terrified of the A343! For some reason that bird just freaks me out!

I know that type of feeling (I've got the same thing with the B737 series) - I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know: it's a safe, reliable, very quiet and (personal opinion follows) very comfortable plane.

Of course it's possible that you'll get off the flight and say "never again", but you just might come out of it liking the plane - only way to find out is giving it a try...  Wink

The one thing that seems to worry a (quite small) fraction of passengers is the slow takeoff the plane usually performs, but that doesn't mean it's not safe (and, believe me, if the plane doesn't take off with a Flex-T/O setting, it feels about like a normal takeoff on other planes - so there is power left for safety purposes). After those couple of minutes that worry some, it'll simply be a regular flight... just simply quite a bit quieter inside the plane than on most other aircraft...



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7480 times:

Using your AA miles you could also try Finnair and MD-11/A320  Smile JFK-HEL-MAD, BCN or LIS (next spring).

User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7466 times:

Quoting Andaman (Reply 23):
Using your AA miles you could also try Finnair and MD-11/A320

Yes I know this and I am highly thinking it. I could never go wrong with getting on an MD11! I have never flown Finnair as well.

This is a lot tougher choice then I thought it was going to be. IB vs AA. So hard! The deciding factor is going to be equipment I just know it. I just seem not to be a fan of any Airbus products except the A320.



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25 ThrottleHold : What utter bull. The autopilot is used in turbulence, and it doesn't care who is pressing it's buttons.
26 Andaman : MD11 sure is a great plane. About AY's service I would say their long haul product is rather avarage (better with the new A343, not flying to JFK), w
27 QXatFAT : Wow you guys have put out so many options I do not know what to do now haha. Thank you everyone though for the information you have given me. Behond w
28 Post contains images Andaman : Well.. the only one of those I have tried personally: 1. AY MD11/A320 (I suppose it would be SFO-JFK-HEL-MAD then?) 2. AA 777 3. Air Portugal 330 4. L
29 TrijetsRMissed : If flying out of SFO is part of the equation then fly KLM and get the best of both worlds! As far as I know they operate MD-11's out of SFO. Then you
30 Post contains images LTU932 : Plus you'd get to visit Schiphol and can do some quality spotting there.
31 LY777 : Even though I don't like AA, I would tell you to fly their 777.Indeed, an A340 over the pond is just terrible if you go through a turbulence area.Just
32 Post contains images Usair320 : I love TAP and the A330. I flew EWR-LIS-EWR on one of there A310's and it was great. And the A330 is my Fav. A/C so im sure I would like the A330 bet
33 BoeingFever777 : No, only to MAD outa MIA. Negative... AA does not fly T7 metal to MAD. AA#68 departs MIA 1800 and arriving MAD @ 0830 on 763 metal. Again AA only fly
34 Post contains images ACDC8 : Could you explain why? I can't understand how a certain type of a/c can freak someone out. I haven't been on a T7 yet, but have flown most other type
35 Buck3y3nut : I'll get to try out both early next month. B744 to LHR from JFK A346 to JFK from LHR and A343 from LHR - BOM (but not really over a "pond") Will see w
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