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787 Or A350.  
User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Which aircraft will US choose. Its a difficult matter considering US's loyalty to Airbus and their problems with boeing. Will US wait for the A350 or will they choose the easy way with the 787? that is the million dollar question.






i personally think they will choose the 787.


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User currently offlineFlyusairways From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

IIRC, in return for the loan they received from Airbus, US placed an order for 20 A350s. The question has become whether or not US is obligated to go through with the order, as the loan has been paid of by US, the A350 is not on schedule, and the aircraft design has been modified since the order.

Though I would love to see the 787 in the US livery!  Smile



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

They chose the A350 a long time ago.


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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

Quoting Flyusairways (Reply 1):
Though I would love to see the 787 in the US livery!

me too especially since they don't own airbus anything. they should choose the 787. i would love for US to gather up some more boeing products.



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

I hope they stay with the A-350 order.. love to see US livery on the 350...


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6531 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Thread starter):
Which aircraft will US choose. Its a difficult matter considering US's loyalty to Airbus and their problems with boeing.

What problems with Boeing are you referring to?


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
They chose the A350 a long time ago.

Yes but the CEO of US has said they could cancel that order and go with the 787 if that program is delayed which given recent press, it may not come out until 2013 at the earliest. Odds are that it really won't appear until 2014-2015.



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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3448 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Thread starter):
and their problems with boeing.



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 5):
What problems with Boeing are you referring to?

I think he's referring to the fallout the original US had with Boeing in the mid-90's when they cancelled an existing order. This happened after former CEO Wolf decided to re-brand US and implement a new marketing strategy, which included a huge order (the largest airplane order up to that time) with Airbus. The cancellation led to a very acrimonious lawsuit between Boeing and US

I don't think there's any "bad blood" between the two companies today. The dispute was settled long ago and US is no longer the same airline. Not to mention the fact that the principals involved in the dispute are long gone. And I'm sure Boeing would just love to get them back as a customer. I would say look for any orders from US in this segment to be a hard-fought battle between Boeing and Airbus.



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 4):
I hope they stay with the A-350 order.. love to see US livery on the 350...

IMO, they most likely will stay with the A350 since they have a great relationship with Airbus. Somewhat worrisome for this order though is the fact that SU has given up their delivery slots on the 787. Boeing could use these as leverage for a defection....



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User currently offlineDw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
They chose the A350 a long time ago.

They chose an A350, not the A350. Though my inclination is the A358 will still be the long haul of choice for US, it is not set in stone. The A358 might be too big and could arrive too late. Also, if the 787 performs better than expected US would likely be able to use those arguments to get out of an order.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31392 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3357 times:
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I believe the A350XWB has the inside trac since it is both a logical replacement and improvement on their current A330 fleet. The A350 would give them the range they need to serve Europe from the West Coast and initiate trans-Atlantic service without the higher fuel burn of the A343. Yes, I am fully aware the A332 can do both for US now, but they may want A333 levels of capacity which means they'd have to take the A343 at this time.

I see the 787 winning only if three things happen:

  • US must have new long-haul planes years before the A358 and A359 are ready.
  • A343s cannot be leased at rates favorable enough to off-set the greater fuel burn until the A350 is available.
  • The A350's performance is significantly worse then the 787's.

Personally, I don't see any of the three happening, therefore I see US staying with the A350XWB.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1725 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
I see the 787 winning only if three things happen:

US must have new long-haul planes years before the A358 and A359 are ready.

A343s cannot be leased at rates favorable enough to off-set the greater fuel burn until the A350 is available.

The A350's performance is significantly worse then the 787's.

Personally, I don't see any of the three happening, therefore I see US staying with the A350XWB.

One additional item should be considered.

Many airlines, including US, are going to be nervous about Airbus' ability to deliver this aircraft on-time. Given the history of fits and starts in the A350 program coupled with the lengthy delays in the A380 program, I think more than a few airlines are going to be hesitant to jump at the A350XWB right away.

I have no doubt the A350XWB will end up being a fine aircraft, and it will eventually be very successful, but I think Airbus has some pretty serious customer confidence restoration to do before they get there.

Given the reality of US Airway's still shaky financial condition, I wouldn't be surprised to see them order nothing for a while. That being said, if they do need to order new WB aircraft in the next few years, I think the B787 has the edge.



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User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

US will be facing CO, NW and probably UA and AA who will be running 787s between lots of city pairs in Europe and elsewhere. It'll be hard for US to fill a A350 regularly enough to make sense. They're all going small -- 757s across the pond. Big is going to be a competitive disadvantage except on a few routes. If they buy A350s, they might find they'll still want 787s.


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User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Thread starter):
i personally think they will choose the 787.

Great to have a topic started by one of our younger members.

US Airways I think could do with the smaller 787.
I recall that US Airways have repaid any monies loaned to them by Airbus. Would it be seen as sharp practice for them to turn their back on Airbus's help through their troubled past by ordering the 787?

Time will tell if they wriggle out of their original 350 order.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

IMHO the 787 is more versatile. An Airline like US who needs the capacity equivalent of the A333 for some routes, but would like more a 767 replacement can find it's needs are met with the 787-8, possibly -9 for some routes, and eventually the -10X. Thus with one type they can have a very flexible long haul fleet.

However, given the committment to Airbus
- the delay would probably need to stretch into 2014 for it to be compelling to switch since interim lift in the form of A330s could be provided
- the price would have to be right- presumably they got some good terms for the A350s beig the North American Launch customer
- the 787 would only need to edge out the A350 in terms of efficiency, a smidgen of a gain in the 787's performance could be crucial. The aviation industry is hard fought and any advantage a competitor gains adds up over time!!

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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 13):
Great to have a topic started by one of our younger members.

thank you Big grin



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User currently offlineShinkai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

OR... they can pull a Singapore Airlines and buy both!!

User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 16):
Singapore Airlines and buy both!!

haha that would be nice. wonder how that would make everybody feel.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

The A350 US ordered was not the A350 Airbus is now talking about. The old A350 was much closer to 787 whereas new A350 looks to be similar to a 777 in terms of capacity, etc. Depending on delays, and what US finds itself to need, Airbus might just make a plane that no longer fits US.... we'll just have to see.


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8469 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

I think the first thing that has to happen is for Airbus to make a final decision on what the 350 is going to be. Next comes the approval of the board to go ahead with the program - something that is not going to happen this week according to another post.

Airbus also needs to be talking to the airlines who have pre-XWB orders to see what they really want. That might turn out to be a 330 size plane, adding more confusion to the mix.

I doubt if we will see US making a decision on that they are going to do before Airbus makes their decision on that they are going to do.


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