SSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1280 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12042 times:
OK, so we know about A's production glitches with the 380, and the 350 that is very late out of the gate, as well as A's cash problems in fixing either of these two issues. Also their management structure has been revealed as being inefficient. All of these things have depressed their stock price.
But with the prospect of Chinese partners investing in the China 320 production line, and the 5% bump in stock on the news that some Gulf states are considering investing in Airbus, and with the announcement yesterday about increasing 320 production, and the 350 launch to be announced imminently: my question is this.
Would you buy Airbus Stock? I'm seriously considering it, but I make poor stock choices, historically. But based on the rules about buying low and selling high - this SEEMS like the time to do it. It seems too late to buy Boeing stock, as 777 and 787 orders have pushed it way up. Airbus is "not out of the woods" yet, and their stock price reflects this, but with the prospects of this outside assistance (above) as well as the restructuring (hopefully) of their management structure, it seems like they will recover in a few years. Also, I can't imagine Germany and France would ever let them fail, considering the different political structure in Europe. If they were based in America, they would be "on their own," for the most part.
I know buying stock at low prices when they are low for a reason is risky... but I am feeling adventurous. What do you think?
Or let me put it another way... Are there those of you who have Airbus stock, which you bought at higher prices, and you are hanging on to it because you are expecting it to recover?
I know we like chatting about all things aviation, but I am considering putting my money where all of our mouths are...
Katekebo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 711 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12029 times:
NO, buying EADS stock at this moment is a risky business. There is very little doubt that Airbus/EADS will survive as a company, however it is uncertain under which form/ownership scheme. While there is a possibility that it will re-bound and make an attractive investment, there is also a possibility that their financial problems will get worse and consequently a major change in ownership structure may occur. If EADS/Airbus face a serious risk of going belly-up it may be taken-over by the State/Government, and private investors will get only a nominal value for their shares.
SSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12023 times:
Quoting Katekebo (Reply 2): If EADS/Airbus face a serious risk of going belly-up it may be taken-over by the State/Government, and private investors will get only a nominal value for their shares.
That's interesting. I would have thought that the prospect of being rescued by French/German governments (if that became necessary) would have PROTECTED my stock value, but what I gather you mean is that if they go bankrupt and are taken over by government and resurrected in another form, that they could be taken off the market, and I would be given only cents on the dollar for my orginal stock.
FighterPilot From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1452 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12021 times:
I would not recommend it. It's not an area in stocks where you have the chance to make a lot of money. I'm sure you not doing it for the money however, but for pride. I have looked into buying Boeing stock, just to say I'm a Boeing owner. However there were many fees and it was a lengthy process for me, (I don't live near a stock broker.) and would have had to do it through a bank. I still am thinking about it though as it keeps increasing. It is all up to you however.
SSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12020 times:
Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 4): I would not recommend it. It's not an area in stocks where you have the chance to make a lot of money. I'm sure you not doing it for the money however, but for pride.
No it's purely to make money. I'm actually a Boeing fan, all things considered. I was thinking that A stock must be quite depressed at the moment and has a long way to go (up hopefully) as Airbus fixes it's problems. But I'm hearing from several people in this thread, you included, who think Airbus' resurgence is in no way assured. But that's the world of the stock market. If their resurgence WAS assured, the stock would be way up.
Alaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12000 times:
Quoting SSTsomeday (Thread starter): It seems too late to buy Boeing stock, as 777 and 787 orders have pushed it way up.
I've been thinking about buying into Boeing stock, I wanted to get into Airbus before they had all the issues, and Im glad that I didn't invest in them, but I keep putting off going to our stock broker to talk to him about it, I do wish that I had gotten in earlier before the 777 and 787 (as you point out) but I think that at the moment out of Airbus or Boeing, Boeing would have the better success rate. sorry it is 1am and I don't have the time to pull up history reports and everything.
Also getting into the airline/aircraft manufacturing stocks is a very risky business and not what I would call an extremely profitable avenue for revenue, but i would love to be able to say that I own part of Boeing, the pride!
Yes i do realise that I am only 15, but there is no reason that I can't be interested in business while I'm young, it will just make me that much more prepared for my future.
to some people the sky is the limit, to aviation enthusiasts, its home!
Well Boeing stock is already high. But I think what I have to fess up to (to myself) is the reality that I am hoping for QUICK money - hoping that Airbus stock is so low at the moment that it could double in about 2 years when the 380s start going out the door and 350 orders start coming in.
It certainly would/should be considered a risky stock purchase, and so I should think twice. But how many people invested in Boeing several years ago as they were experiencing their turn-down in production, and have come out swimmingly now that Boeing is on top?
I think what some of the posters here are doing is reflecting their more conservative attitude towards the market. "Invest in solid companies that appreciate gradually over time."
Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 7): Yes i do realise that I am only 15, but there is no reason that I can't be interested in business while I'm young
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 11946 times:
Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 7): Yes i do realise that I am only 15, but there is no reason that I can't be interested in business while I'm young, it will just make me that much more prepared for my future.
At 15 you can be interested in business and I think it great you are. However, you can not purchase stocks, because people below the age of 18 can not enter in to a contract. You would have someone else buy the stocks and hold them in your name until you reach 18.