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Is The 777 The Most Successful Airliner Ever Made?  
User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8047 times:

With the number of aircraft produced at just about 600 and with almost all major airlines using them, is the 777 not only the new 'back-bone' of the industry but perhaps the most successful airliner ever made, even over the 747?!

Just something I have been thinking about - what are your thoughts?

[Edited 2006-12-15 21:00:02]

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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8021 times:

I would think you'd have to more tightly define your definition of "succesful."

In terms of shear numbers built, no. The 727, 737, 747,A320, DC9, all have/had more frames in use than the 777. The 737 is currently the leader in most produced frames, with over 6000.

I don't know the duration of which the other models reached the level of the 777, currently 600, over a 12 year period.

Without doing a lot of research, that's my short answer.

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User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7996 times:

Well perhaps I should be more specific and re-phrase to: "isn't the 777 the most successful wide-body every made?"

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7989 times:

Even the mighty 737 is eclipsed by the DC-3 if you include the military versions.

If you consider only widebodies, the 777 has not (yet) bested the 747 family.

[Edited to add widebody comment]

[Edited 2006-12-15 21:14:48]


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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7943 times:

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 2):
Well perhaps I should be more specific and re-phrase to: "isn't the 777 the most successful wide-body every made?"

Depends if you would class the A330/A340 series as the same type,' cos I know that they have had 1000 orders, not sure how many have been built


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30623 posts, RR: 84
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7920 times:
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Quoting Gh123 (Reply 2):
Well perhaps I should be more specific and re-phrase to: "isn't the 777 the most successful wide-body every made?"

Well the 787 is closing on her fast (about 150 sales behind) and she hasn't even taken to the air yet.  Wink

Still, the 777 family has done very, very well for Boeing and she should still have many years of strong sales ahead of her, even with the 787 and A350X on the horizon.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7887 times:

The 737 family is the #1 selling airplane with 6000 plus frames and counting....


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User currently onlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 906 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7873 times:

While the 777 has been very successful, it's nowhere even close to the 747 as the most succesful wide body ever produced. I believe 600 is still well under half of what the 747 has done numberswise.

Plus the 747 has been in production for 3 and half decades and counting.

No contest here.

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User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7836 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Depends if you would class the A330/A340 series as the same type,' cos I know that they have had 1000 orders, not sure how many have been built

I suspect that both the A330 and A340 have a lot in common as far as structures, electronics, fittings etc. but surely they service different airline needs.

Remember the opening thread refered to airliner and not a series of aircraft.

Please no Leahy mania. It is that time of the year when its Airbus season for pulling a rabbit out of the hats as regards the most successful manufacturer in terms of aircraft sold during the year.



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7825 times:

The 777 is in her league the best aircraft! Or let´s say she is in her category uncontested!

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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7825 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Well the 787 is closing on her fast (about 150 sales behind) and she hasn't even taken to the air yet.

As of now, the B777 has won 887 orders compared to 433 for the B787.


User currently offlineWerkur767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7772 times:

I think the 737 is the most succesfull ever made, more than 3000 of the classics models, and the new generation jets deliveries are growing too fast.

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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7772 times:

The 777 is probably the best wide body airliner since the start of the Millenium.

And damn, it's one good looking aircraft!!! Especially with those modern raked wingtips!!!



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User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7735 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 3):
If you consider only widebodies, the 777 has not (yet) bested the 747 family.

And so far this year the 747 has outsold the 777, 67 to 62.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm


User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

Maybe it is worth also pointing out that the 777 is an extremely safe aircraft with no serious instants in all those millions of hours flown.

I don't want to tempt fate either!


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7652 times:

The 747-400 is probably the single most profitable aircraft to date. Given the sales volume, the high premium Boeing was able to leverage, and the reasonable program cost, the 747-400 has really been a Cash Cow with a capital C^2

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

I think there will be a third generation of 777s from Boeing. As of now it is completely kicking the a$* off of the comparable Airbus models (A330/A340) and I think that it will have well over 1,000 planes made when all is said and done.


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30623 posts, RR: 84
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7611 times:
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
As of now, the B777 has won 887 orders compared to 433 for the B787.

My bad. Didn't realize I was comparing completed 777s with ordered 787s.     

[Edited 2006-12-15 22:03:12]

[Edited 2006-12-15 22:04:17]

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9510 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):

The 737 family is the #1 selling airplane with 6000 plus frames and counting....

For airliners, the DC-3 wins. Approximately 13,000 were built in either California, Russia or Japan under contract.

35,000 Cessna 172s have been built and that's still selling if you are looking at airplanes as a whole.

The 737 is the highest production passenger jet. It probably has earned the most money too.



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

The 747 is the undisputed champion of widebodies for 37 years now. As long as Boeing changes its plans it´ll be replaced together with the 777, some day around 2020. There is no way that the 777 will ever be called "the most successful". The 787, together with the A350, will kill the 777-200, the new 747-8I will put some pressure from above on the 773, the A350 from below.

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6716 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 16):
As of now it is completely kicking the a$* off of the comparable Airbus models (A330/A340) and I think that it will have well over 1,000 planes made when all is said and done.

The A330-300 is far from being "kicked".


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User currently offlineRadelow From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6902 times:

Being a finance person I would say that the most successful aircraft would be that one which has the highest net present value from the day it started. That takes into consideration # of frames produced, price per frame, and duration the aircraft was/is sold. With that said, I don't know the answer.

Mark


User currently offlineCOIAH756CA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 506 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6698 times:

I would have to give the 777 about 15-20 more years before I would consider comparing it to other airliners to determine the most successful.

For now, the 777 is kicking a lot of ass. Its capabilities are superior to many and it is made comfortable for the passenger and crew.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6673 times:

Quoting Gh123 (Thread starter):
with almost all major airlines using them,

Notable expections include; LH, QF, IB, CI, SK, AY and SA just to name a few.

[Edited 2006-12-18 04:53:58]

User currently offlineAAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6656 times:

737 actually


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25 Cornish : you can add NW, US, MU, LX, LA to that list too. At this moment in time the 777 is not the most successful airliner (widebodied or otherwise ever mad
26 Broke : One thing that the 777 has, that rates it as the best, is its delay and cancellation rate. Based on that alone, it is the most reliable airliner ever
27 Post contains images Blackbird : Nah, if you count military versions, the DC-3 is. Over 10,000 were built The 737 to my knowledge, with over 6,000 built is second, and if I'm not wron
28 Relaxitsfedex7 : Well i wouldnt say the boeing 777 most sucessful aircraft , but is one of the best aircrafts boeing made so far. the sales speak for themselves. out s
29 ORDRyan28 : the 777 is an amazing aircraft, but with the number of frames made, I'd agreethat the 737 is the most "successful" airliner ever made. -Ryan
30 ACDC8 : No, it's not. Most other Boeing models have out sold the B777. The A330/340 are in principle the same aircraft, they do have minor differences in win
31 ZBBYLW : The 737 is not the #1 selling airplane. First of in just talks of airplanes there are many aircraft that have surpassed it, C152 C172 etc etc etc....
32 ZKSUJ : No. It is still behined the 747 family. And the fact that the 747 family has been around longer than the 777 and is still going proves that as a whole
33 HAWK21M : I would rate the B737 & A320 better. regds MEL
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